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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
I'm sure PSA customers would not appreciate this this type of censorship and I think it should be considered a big deal. Instead of working to better their image and improve their performance they decided to go the other direction. |
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Posted By: Jim VB
Was there some specific thing that prompted them to take this action, or a culmination of things? |
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Posted By: Al Simeone
Hi Kevin, |
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Posted By: Matt
Can we have the text they sent to notify you? |
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Posted By: D.C. Markel
<<"Known card doctors who fraudulently sell to collectors are still welcome to submit though and whatever doesn't get rejected will enter into the hobby.">> |
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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
This is nothing new at PSA. They have a long history of silencing people and sweeping issues under the rug. |
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Posted By: Fred C
Doesn't this go along with PSA cancelling cert numbers of cards they screwed up on? Yes, they can grade it. If they make a mistake then they can always deny it by removing the cert number and state that there is no mistake because no such card exists (or has been graded by them because there is no such registered cert number). Remember the Heine/Honus Wagner T206 card? Didn't they delete the cert number? That is one reason I blank the cert number of PSA card images when I post about another PSA debacle. |
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Posted By: Joe D.
while I enjoy your posts Kevin - |
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Posted By: Matt
Joe - the part of Kevin that PSA views as dangerous (I think he's great for the hobby BTW) doesn't go away by banning him from submitting. Now, if they sent someone to his house with a baseball bat, they could probably make it go away... |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
"Are you going to tells us more about your side of the story to make the post relevant?" |
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Posted By: Al Simeone
Sounds to me like a business move to protect themselves from the truth! Good work Kevin looks like you hit a BIG nerve!!!! |
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Posted By: Joe D.
The business decision is not about trying to get rid of Kevin.... |
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Posted By: Matt
Joe - the content of his articles didn't dynamically change all the sudden - if they were good before, they are good now. What I will concede (if you have PSA's mindset) is a ban on their forum. But, stopping him from submitting and removing his articles seems like an incorrect response. |
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Posted By: David Davis
For PSA this seems to be purely a business decision. Even though Kevin is trying to educate and improve people's skills for the card collecting hobby, it conflicts with the fact that PSA is a publicly traded company, that will looketo protect it's product, bottom line and reputation. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Kevin seems to be a truthful, forthright fellow. PSA's business decision to protect their reputation has not been 100% successful. |
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Posted By: Joe D.
why give credibility to your threat? |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
I believe Joe D. sums up my thoughts on PSA's position. I'm no huge fan of that company, but I can understand their position. |
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Posted By: boxingcardman
Orlando = Orwell??? We have to wonder. |
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Posted By: D.C. Markel
Kevin, |
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Posted By: JK
"I got an email from a former PSA grader who stated he/they received absolutely no training in how to identify card alterations." |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
"Is it not true that PSA once expressed an interest in hiring you, but you made several demands including being in charge of their entire grading operation? Is all or any of this true?" |
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Posted By: Matt
Do we know what training SGC gives their graders? |
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Posted By: JK
I believe the answer is none. |
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Posted By: Matt
Josh - I must be missing something; If both give no training to their graders, how is PSA worse then SGC in this regard? |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
I posted a thread called alteredcards.com just to inform people who frequent the cu boards about this great resource. I did not view it as an anti-PSA thread. The thread quickly piled up 45 or so responses --virtually all of which said thanks for telling us of this website. Then it was gone. |
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Posted By: pas
Given the phenomenal strength of the market for graded cards, either the grading services are getting it right an overwhelming percentage of the time, or people deep down don't care whether they do or not as long as the card doesn't look blatantly altered and there is a nice pretty flip with a numerical grade. |
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Posted By: quan
iirc when derek grady was with sgc he was grading 90% of the pre-war cards coming in..someone had posted that on the board here after talking to grady/sgc. the volume was probably less back then but you can say he was training the 10% guy and breaking him in? |
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Posted By: JK
Im sorry Matt - I thought your question was about PSA - I misread it. I dont know what SGC does, but if I had to guess, based on quality of grading, its something other than none. |
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Posted By: JK
"I posted a thread called alteredcards.com just to inform people who frequent the cu boards about this great resource. I did not view it as an anti-PSA thread. The thread quickly piled up 45 or so responses --virtually all of which said thanks for telling us of this website. Then it was gone." |
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Posted By: dstudeba
Forgive my ignorance, but why on earth would PSA want people to know about Kevin's site? Kevin's service is detecting alterations. Isn't that what PSA's service is? If you claim Kevin's service is complimentary to PSA's, then what is PSA good for, a nice holder? |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
"I dont know what SGC does, but if I had to guess, based on quality of grading, its something other than none." |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
JK, |
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Posted By: Paul Moss
Kevin |
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Posted By: Neal Kane
rubbish |
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Posted By: Fred C
Jim, |
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Posted By: leon
If the PSA plastic you own weighs more than you do, Joe O. loves you...... |
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Posted By: Fred C
Well stated, Leon. |
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Posted By: boxingcardman
But pulling down everything he ever posted, every article that he wrote and they published, refusing to renew his membership; that's a bit more than simply not promoting a presumed business rival. |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
"Kevin, Did you really think that PSA would clutch you to their bosom after all that has been posted? Had I been PSA, you would have been well advised to sleep with one eye open and have your wife start the car in the morning." |
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Posted By: davidcycle
Frankly, that PSA customers put up with PSA's act (for example, PSA promised to tell their paying customers the whole WIWAG story and still hasn't) is as much a comment on PSA customers as on PSA. I don't think it has yet dawned on many PSA collectors that PSA needs their customers' submissions and money more than the collectors need PSA. Without PSA, the customer's can go to SGC. Without customers, PSA goes bankrupt. That the customers don't exercise their power is the customers' choice and no one else's, not even PSA's. |
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Posted By: D.C. Markel
Thanks for answering my question Kevin. So did you take the grader's test and if so, what were your results? |
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Posted By: Matt
"the law has been broken." |
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Posted By: Steve
I think Dan is alluding to the Hobby Protection act. |
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Posted By: JK
If Im not mistaken, the Hobby Protection Act is a California statute. It applies only to a small percentage of us. |
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Posted By: D.C. Markel
davidcycle, |
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Posted By: Marc S.
not that I would actively advocate any of this, but I imagine that it cannot be terribly difficult to set up a new e-mail account and to join PSA through some other means (e.g. same address, but pay with a money order and use a bogus name, or use your work address). |
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Posted By: D.C. Markel
That is correct, the Hobby Protection Act is a California statute. In Texas, it would be the Texas Deceptive Trade act. Most states have in some form a consumer protection law. |
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Posted By: D.C. Markel
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Posted By: boxingcardman
Why are you attacking Kevin so hard here? Do you have some connection to PSA/CU? |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
"So did you take the grader's test and if so, what were your results?" |
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