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Old 03-14-2017, 11:43 AM
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Anyone who texts frequently knows that you go through the motions and continue on.....fast. Unfortunately I don't press the decimal sometimes and then I have to retract a bid. For those who haven't retracted bids, I will add that this is a valid reason for a bid retraction by eBay rules if outside of 12 hours of auction end. Plus if you still want to bid on the auction, your minimum bid has to be equal to your retracted bid.......so basically you are out of the auction.
Interesting - I can see that happening (above). And for the record, my post wasn't directed at PWCC specifically as much as anyone who may encounter bidding / retracting "shenanigans" I don't know what PWCC does specifically here beyond warnings? Whether or not there is any teeth to their claims to address shilling and/or other games which bring legitimacy into question? As an occasional seller, I would probably ban someone if there was more than one retraction and/or non-paying bid - unless they got with me on a valid reason (as noted above) for why?

The example first noted with 26 retractions within 6 months on a bidder with 83 total feedbacks to me still goes beyond the extreme.
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Old 03-14-2017, 03:26 PM
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The only way bid retraction will ever stop is if eBay removes it as an option. What eBay needs to do is make it so that the bidder has to contact the seller if they want a bid cancelled.
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This.

I believe many bidders now think this is a valid strategy to drive other bidders away.......................or they think nothing of the etiquette of the matter, or how much it's frowned upon my many bidders and sellers.

PWCC can't just ban everybody who has retractions, or they'd have no bidders left.

Lots of big money guys are obviously using it as what they feel, is an accepted technique and strategy.

There's no repercussions, and Ebay is complicit in this line of thinking. It's easily solved, but Ebay's not interested in solving it.

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Old 03-14-2017, 03:40 PM
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[quote=Thromdog;1640998]2. Simply wrote in the wrong amount such as $245 instead of $24.50


I've been on eBay for a long, long time. I've had one retraction and the reason was I omitted the decimal point.
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Old 03-14-2017, 04:50 PM
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I have been on ebay since 1997 and never retracted a bid, never asked a seller to cancel a bid nor have I asked to pull a bid I made in all the thousands of items I bid on each year on sites outside of eBay.

The bigger question is why are PWCC auctions constantly associated with so much fraud and yet they get more consignments each month than the previous? If they want to be the hobby leader in sales, great, but then step up and really implement policies that they will adhere to. PWCC is not doing all they can to keep their auctions clean. The reason why is there is no incentive to.
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Old 03-14-2017, 09:54 PM
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Been wanting to answer this one and saw an opportunity with Ed's question.

Unfortunately bidding through your phone doesn't do a confirmation before placing the bid. Anyone who texts frequently knows that you go through the motions and continue on.....fast. Unfortunately I don't press the decimal sometimes and then I have to retract a bid. For those who haven't retracted bids, I will add that this is a valid reason for a bid retraction by eBay rules if outside of 12 hours of auction end. Plus if you still want to bid on the auction, your minimum bid has to be equal to your retracted bid.......so basically you are out of the auction.

There's more to it than a bid retraction.
Sorry, but that is BS. I use my phone, with the ebay app, quite a lot. When you type in the amount of your bid, there is a fat blue bar across the screen that says "confirm bid". You cannot place your bid unless you confirm it.
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If this is what's happening, I can't believe you guys actually deal with these people. You get what you deserve.

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Old 03-14-2017, 10:47 PM
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eBay doesn't care. PWCC doesn't care. Sellers don't care.

Unfortunately its up to buyers to put their foot down and take a stand. STOP bidding on any auction where a bidder has >5 retractions. STOP bidding on any auction for a high end item where a bidder has <10 feedbacks.

That's what I've started doing. I am suspicious of anyone with numerous retractions and no history on ebay when it comes to high end cards. The only way consignments slow down / stop is if bidders stop bidding ...

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Any way you slice it, PWCC has become, thanks to Ebay, a major auction house in a short period of time and a money machine.
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Sorry, but that is BS. I use my phone, with the ebay app, quite a lot. When you type in the amount of your bid, there is a fat blue bar across the screen that says "confirm bid". You cannot place your bid unless you confirm it.
Sorry but disagree.

It's all in 1 motion and not really a confirmation, so it's prone to error. You can literally place a bid and submit in a half a second.

When you bid on a desktop you enter an amount and click enter. Then a confirmation message is displayed and you confirm. I also checked through my phone by going to a browser and bidding through eBay's mobile site. Same thing, 2 screens. You enter your bid and click Place Bid.....which is the same as the confirm bid bar you are seeing on the mobile app. Then it takes you to the next screen which shows your bid and you click confirm.....which is not in the app.

Not the same user experience.

Even with auction houses it's the same thing, you enter your amount and click return. Then a true confirmation page appears and you click submit. The extra step prevents user error and it's a pretty common design retailers use.
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Been wanting to answer this one and saw an opportunity with Ed's question.

Yes, I am one of them. I have no bid retractions in the last 30 days but have 10 in the last 6 months. I did receive a warning from PWCC but shrugged it off since I hadn't retracted any bids with PWCC. I understand the warning and have been better.

2 reasons I have retracted bids:
1. Bid on 4 or 5 cards that I found out were reprints after bidding (very good fakes I might add)....this was after contacting seller
2. Simply wrote in the wrong amount such as $245 instead of $24.50

I get the concerns on bid retractions especially when they are associated to a single seller, but you have to have a little more basis for banning a buyer.

I currently bid on most t206 auctions that have low starting prices. I bid on virtually all of Brent's non-HOF listings which ended on Sunday, for example. I won 3 total auctions and was very happy about it.

Unfortunately bidding through your phone doesn't do a confirmation before placing the bid. Anyone who texts frequently knows that you go through the motions and continue on.....fast. Unfortunately I don't press the decimal sometimes and then I have to retract a bid. For those who haven't retracted bids, I will add that this is a valid reason for a bid retraction by eBay rules if outside of 12 hours of auction end. Plus if you still want to bid on the auction, your minimum bid has to be equal to your retracted bid.......so basically you are out of the auction.

There's more to it than a bid retraction.
I think you just confirmed that folks with bid retractions need to be eliminated from e-bay. Sooner the better. If PWCC allows you to bid, that's bull shit.
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