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Old 08-12-2013, 11:06 PM
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Default Any Topps Venezuelan experts out there?

I just picked up this 1959 Spahn on ebay. It was sold to me as a Venezuelan, but I can't tell one way or the other by looking at it. Can any of you let me know how to tell the difference? Thanks.

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Old 08-12-2013, 11:32 PM
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First off...they printed the first 196 or 198 (Can't remember which) cards in the regular set as Venezuela cards, so this being #40 is good. Some on the back say Printed by Benco (the company that printed the V cards) but some still say Topps. The biggest difference in those cards printed by Topps is the amount of gloss on the front. This makes it hard to tell, especially by an internet scan and not in hand. V cards in this year look very faded on both front and back. I went through a Venezuela card phase, but quickly lost interest due to the difficulty in telling the difference...especially in the 59s where a low grade American card can often pass.




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Found this googling it...copy/paste...tough to tell on that Spahn. Looks a little clean to me, but I am no expert...thus me getting out of those type cards.


Benco's version came out in two series, #1-110 and #111-198, matching Topps own #1 to #198 (not 196 as often reported). The card backs include a mix of "(C) T.C.G. PRINTED IN U.S.A." and "Impreso en Venezuela por Benco CA" tag lines, oriented vertically along the right edge. It's tough to discern low-grade American versions from the former; see the Topps Archives article on Venezuelans for distinguishing scans that compare card stock for each.
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I'm no expert and have seen Topps Venezuelan cards with either the usual 'printed in the USA' verbiage or the Venezuelan wording, so you can't tell solely based on that. If it is real, then it is in exceptional shape, because these cards are usually rife with creases and paper loss on the back from being pasted in albums.
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I am no expert on the Venezuelans either. I have a couple of examples I keep with my regular Topps set but got them with the Benco trademark to be sure. Your back is much whiter than the ones on mine, but that maybe something common the the Benco versions

There is a guy, A761506/Josh, who sometimes posts here but who I know better from another board, who is an expert. I think he has this set and maybe all of the Venezuelan sets done. I will ask him to take a look over here.

If it is regular Topps card, it is one of 3 variations. The 59 Topps Spahn can be found with a 1921, 1931 or 193*as the DOB on the back. I do not know if all the Venezuelans have the 1921 DOB but Josh may know

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Old 08-13-2013, 11:37 AM
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Josh is definitely the guy you want to offer his opinion here. I haven't met anyone who knows more about Venezuelans than him.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:23 PM
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Default You have a US Topps standard issue card

The Spahn card in the '59 Venezuelan set always has the Venezuelan trademark. While some of the cards do have the US trademark, they are consistent throughout, for instance, every Venezuelan copy of Spahn will have the Venezuelan trademark line, while every Ford Frick will have the US trademark. Additionally on Spahn, to address another issue posed, the Venezuelan versions do not have any variations with his year of birth. It is always 21.

Even if you were not aware of the trademark issues, the cards are still easily identifiable just by sight. The majority of 1st series Venezuelan cards (1-110) you might come across will be found with gray backs. You will never find a US Topps card 1-110 with a gray back. Rarely, you can find a '59 Venezuelan card with a cream colored back, but it looks nothing remotely close to the bright cream color of the US issue. It's a much more dull appearance and darker cream color. All cards in the Venezuelan set were issued on both gray and cream colored stock.

There are multiple pictures of these cards available for identification purposes at the Yahoo Group: Topps Venezuela

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Old 08-13-2013, 08:53 PM
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Thank you Josh and everyone. Not what I wanted to hear. I guess I'll be contacting the seller.

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Old 08-13-2013, 09:20 PM
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Here's a pic of a Venezuelan Spahn in case you need something additional to convince the seller to refund your purchase.

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Old 08-20-2013, 12:35 PM
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Love that Spahn Josh!!
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1959-Topps-V...E:B:SS:US:3160

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