Revisiting the 150-only Series.....and, let's see your cards
 

I have been asked about the T206 cards of Mike "Doc" Powers. His cards are found only with 150 backs and brown HINDU.

Mike Powers was the preferred battery mate of Eddie Plank. Unfortunately, on Opening Day of Shibe Park (April 12, 1909)
in Philadelphia, Mike Powers was injured on the field. In the hospital, the doctors discovered he had serious intestinal sys-
tem problems. Mike passed away 2 weeks later.

Powers is a 150/350 series subject. American Lithographic stopped printing his card due to his untimely death; therefore,
he was not printed with any 350 series backs. Pat Romolo's (Pat R.) extensive analysis of T206 cards which have printed
"scratch" marks on their Piedmont backs reveals that Powers was printed on a sheet with the other 150/350 subjects.
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...owersbacks.jpg
TED Z
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A fine proof that while many subjects carried over from 150 to 350 they are actually different groups.

Revisiting the 150-only Series.....and, let's see your cards
 

Steve

Of course the PIEDMONT 150 and SWEET CAP 150/#30 backs of these cards are not too difficult.

However, their HINDU & SOVEREIGN 150 backs are considerably tougher to find for serious T206
back collectors (like me). When I was putting together my all - SOVEREIGN set these 12 subjects
with SOVEREIGN backs were not easy to find. Furthermore, I know of two other Net54 members
who put together all - SOVEREIGN sets, who had similar difficulties finding these 12 guys.

Also, I might add their SWEET CAP 150/#25 cards can be quite tough to find.


TED Z

T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists
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T206 REFERENCE...... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Survey
 

* * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * *

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...mont350x13.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...BatP460x12.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...eetCap11xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dmont42x12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign350x13.jpg
...... Piedmont .......... Sovereign ...... Sweet Caporal___The "House" that created these Tobacco cards___Piedmont #42 ........ Hindu ........... Sovereign


Twenty-one new inputs to this Joe Doyle survey since the last post. One of these 21 inputs have this "printer's mark". So far, the results of this 13-year Survey
suggests to us that we can expect to find this "printer's mark" on a Joe Doyle card on the average of only ONE out of approx. every 16 cards.


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ersMark75x.jpg

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Printer's mark - -^



UPDATED...... Feb 26, 2021 (395 unique samples)


T-brand.............Mark.....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........14..........159

Sweet Cap 350.......5...........144

Polar Bear..............4............34

Old Mill..................1.............7

Sovereign 350.........0...........19

Tolstoi....................0.............6

EPDG.....................0.............2
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Totals.................. 24 ........ 371

24 - Joe Doyle cards with this printer's mark...... 24/395 = 6.07%




TED Z
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T206 REFERENCE...... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Survey
 

* * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * *

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...mont350x13.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...BatP460x12.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...eetCap11xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dmont42x12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign350x13.jpg
...... Piedmont .......... Sovereign ...... Sweet Caporal___The "House" that created these Tobacco cards___Piedmont #42 ........ Hindu ........... Sovereign


Hey Guys,

I started this Survey in 2007, and many of you have participated in it. I really appreciate all your inputs. Some inputs posted on my original Net54 thread, while others from
Net54 members at the Philly Shows, or at the National Shows.

How's about chiming in here with a few more inputs, and please include a scan of your Joe Doyle card.


TED Z

T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists
.

T206 REFERENCE...... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Survey
 

* * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * *

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...mont350x13.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...BatP460x12.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...eetCap11xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dmont42x12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign350x13.jpg
...... Piedmont .......... Sovereign ...... Sweet Caporal___The "House" that created these Tobacco cards___Piedmont #42 ........ Hindu ........... Sovereign


No new posts yet; however, I received a couple of emails from "readers" of Net54, who provided 4 inputs. These Joe Doyle's have been added to the survey. None of which
having this "printer's mark".
This on-going 13-year Survey..https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=87066..suggests that on average, 1 out of 16 cards are found with this "printer's mark".

Hey guys, how about playing in this game by posting your Joe Doyle's here to continue this survey.....Thanks.


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...edoylenatl.bmphttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...350xSOV350.jpg
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -^ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Printer's Mark - - - -^ (remnant of "N" in Nat'L)


UPDATED...... Feb 27, 2021 (400 unique samples)


T-brand.............Mark.....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........15..........161

Sweet Cap 350.......5...........146

Polar Bear..............4............34

Old Mill..................1.............7

Sovereign 350.........0...........19

Tolstoi....................0.............6

EPDG.....................0.............2
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Totals.................. 25 ........ 375

25 - Joe Doyle cards with this printer's mark...... 25/400 = 6.025%



TED Z
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One in sixteen is about right for a print variation Ted.

Here are two other Doyle variations.

The "Nevada" variation missing the bottom of the Y

Attachment 443127


missing the period and part of the top right of the Y

Attachment 443128

Ted,

I've been reading through this thread for quite some time and I find the stories behind t206's fascinating. It seems like a never ending rabbit hole! Even if they're just various commons, I find myself wanting to start picking up more! So much history behind each of the cards, hell I think I'm getting a little emotional about some cardboard! I have to thank you for putting this together along with the rest of the contributors to this thread.

- James

Poor man's Doyle
 

Ted,

I completely understand why there is the printer's mark on the Doyle with a Piedmont 350 back. However, I don't understand why there could be the exact same "partial N" on the non-piedmont 350 backs. Do you or anyone else have an hypothesis?

Thanks, Frank

Hi Frank,

Because even though the Doyle N.Y. NAT'L was only printed with the Piedmont 350 back the same plates were used for other backs after the NAT'L was removed and on one of those plates a small part of the N remained.