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brianp-beme 06-09-2021 11:48 AM

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Here is my example from this set, Walsh, shown the day after a bar fight.

Brian (Not part of any TPG population report. My card probably spent a night in jail, whereas many of his brothers are doing 25 to life in their plastic prisons)

Pat R 06-09-2021 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bliggity (Post 2111854)
I have always thought rarity referred to the number of cards in existence, while scarcity referred to the availability of the card. A rare card will probably always be scarce, but a scarce card does not necessarily have to be rare.

T209-1 is my favorite set, and was the first prewar set I completed. I think the pop numbers are somewhat inaccurate, as I recall seeing numerous examples of T209s getting cracked and reslabbed by different TPGs. Some of the cards are certainly tougher than others. Hoffman is probably the easiest, and Booles is probably the hardest. I think I've only seen 2 Booles cards come up for sale in the past seven years, and I bought one of them. So as Ted hinted, putting together the set will take some time and patience. But it is doable, especially because it's only 3% of the size of the Monster!

ETA: About seven years ago, I took substantial notes on the PSA and SGC pop reports for T209-1. At that time, there were 398 total cards slabbed by both companies. So that number has gone up by about 100 since then. The hardest card was Booles with 17 total examples, and the easiest was Hoffman with 38.

Here is my set:

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I'm not trying to start anything Dan but there have been 9 sales of 7 different Booles in the past two years.

Here's the 7 different Booles that sold

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Bliggity 06-09-2021 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat R (Post 2111931)
I'm not trying to start anything Dan but there have been 9 sales of 7 different Booles in the past two years.

Wow! That's very surprising to me. I take it all back, T209-1 is an easy set to finish :) I know back a few years ago they were very hard to find, and I believe there was at least one person on here who was just missing Booles to complete their set.

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Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2111903)
Dan....do you also collect the T209-2 cards ?

Not yet. I've been thinking about it, but I do hope that someone will talk me out of it. As a completionist set collector, I don't need that kind of stress in my life!

tedzan 06-09-2021 06:40 PM

T206 REFERENCE....T206-like T209 (CONTENTNEA) 1st series....show us your T209 cards
 
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Originally Posted by Bliggity (Post 2111984)
Not yet. I've been thinking about it, but I do hope that someone will talk me out of it. As a completionist set collector, I don't need that kind of stress in my life!

Hi Dan

Years ago, I had about 80 of of the T209-2 cards. But like you, I've always been a set collector, and at any given time I am in the process of completing several sets.
So, it did not appeal to me to continue collecting T209-2 cards. After considering that it would have been a very, very long journey.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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brianp-beme 06-09-2021 06:44 PM

It is interesting that 3 of the Booles Pat showed as well as my Walsh all have paper damage in basically the same spot on the bottom right border (yes, my Walsh also has a ton of other damage).

Probably just a coincidence, but thought I would point it out anyway.

Brian

ValKehl 06-09-2021 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2111923)
Val......will I see you at the Philly Show this forthcoming weekend ?

It was approx. 10 years ago at the Philly Show when you absolutely "made my day". You offered me this 1910 COUPON Matty,
and we a nice deal on it.

You are really one of the great guys in this hobby.


Ted, thanks for the kind words.

I was planning to come to this weekend's Philly Show only if the National was either cancelled or held but with significant Covid-19 restrictions; it currently appears that there will be a normal or near-normal National this year. I may make it to one of the Philly Shows later this year.

Every time you have showed your T213-1 Coupon of Matty, I have recalled our trade and realized how delighted you were to obtain this card. And, truth be told, I have felt a bit of trader's remorse, despite being delighted with the T206 Sovereign 350 WaJo portrait I received from you. This is because I'm partial to very scarce/rare cards, and I really liked having the Matty as my T213-1 type card, but of course, one has to give up something good to get something good.

Piratedogcardshows 06-10-2021 09:54 AM

Amazing Contentneas everyone! I too highly recommend Mike and Tims research on the subject. Mikes website dedicated to the issue is so well done and a true wealth of knowledge. I recently started a Series 1 set and I'm 136 deep on the Series 2 set. I'm partial to the black and white issues but these cards have the most interesting images and backgrounds. I even have a theory Jim Thorpe is seen in the background of a card. Have to get home to verify the player on the card. Good stuff!

tedzan 06-10-2021 06:40 PM

T206 REFERENCE....T206-like T209 (CONTENTNEA) 1st series....show us your T209 cards
 
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Originally Posted by Jason (Post 2112231)
Amazing Contentneas everyone! I too highly recommend Mike and Tims research on the subject. Mikes website dedicated to the issue is so well done and a true wealth of knowledge. I recently started a Series 1 set and I'm 136 deep on the Series 2 set. I'm partial to the black and white issues but these cards have the most interesting images and backgrounds. I even have a theory Jim Thorpe is seen in the background of a card. Have to get home to verify the player on the card. Good stuff!


Jason

I'd love to see the card with Jim Thorpe's image on it.

As you probably know, Thorpe played for Rocky Mount and Fayetteville during the Summers of 1910-11.

Supposedly, those two brief experiences in professional Baseball cost Jim his medals and trophies, which
he won in the 1912 Olympics in Stockholm. He was forced to return them.

Gee, it would have been really neat if they had included a card of Thorpe in this set.

Good Luck putting together the color set.


TED Z

T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists
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Piratedogcardshows 06-15-2021 05:53 AM

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Ok here we go and this is just a theory. As mentioned Jim Thorpe played for Fayetteville in the 1910-1911 season. I believe that some cards depict images from preseason camps as a few players that have cards seem to never have played a game with the designated team. Background players on some cards seem to be waiting their turn to take infield practice. So that brings me to the Lavoia card from the Highlanders team. Notice the very stocky player in the background. He is awaiting his turn as possibly the backup first baseman. Of course I have zero proof of it actually being Jim Thorpe. Its just fun to think it is!

Jeff_cvc 06-15-2021 09:36 AM

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I bought my first T209-1 in 2017, but didn't buy my second one for another three years. In the past year I've purchased 4 of the 5 I own. At this rate I hope to complete the set in about three years!

I really enjoy collecting the more obscure sets. These guys were playing in C and D leagues, in what I have to imagine, not the best conditions and not for a great deal of money. There is a certain mystique surrounding this time in baseball that originally drew me to T206 cards. While I still collect T206, I get a little more excited each time I add one of these cards to my set.

I also own 13 of the T209-2. The B&W add a little more to the grittiness of baseball at that time. I doubt I'll ever complete the set, but I will continue to collect these gems as they come along.

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