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Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2139807)

Hi Ron
I have Imageevent host all my scans. I have never had any problems posting my scans.

OK, it has been 3 years since I last updated that OLD MILL checklist in this main T206 REFERENCE thread.

If you check-out my T206 Checklist Thread.... T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists

I think you will find it's OLD MILL checklist is up-to-date. Here is the OLD MILL excerpt from it......

TED Z
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Thanks Ted, for the checklist update, the changes look good. Maybe someone will come forward with a Josh Clark Old Mill. Also, thank you for a different option on hosting pictures on Net54. I'll have to give it a try the next time I'm trying to post an image.

It's got to be some setting somewhere. I have a dedicated Microsoft web server, along with Microsoft SQL with GoDaddy. I don't have any issues with other websites or direct links to pictures. But when I add that link in a post, it doesn't show up in the preview or the post for me to see it, but supposedly other users are able to see the pictures, because they comment on them. But they don't show up for me. So I can't even check for error's before posting. I even tried different browsers. It's an odd issue, probably my computer. I had a similar problem years ago when I was hosting my own web servers in my house. I couldn't see pictures or load a web page if I tried to view it directly on that web server, but if I loaded the same page on my desktop, I could see everything. It ended up being a setting on the web server IIS.

Internet connections, along with Server and Microsoft software updates, got too expensive, so now I just pay $250 a month with GoDaddy, and can run unlimited websites and databases, along with unlimited emails.

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Originally Posted by Ronnie73 (Post 2139814)

Ron

I was wondering if you had a chance to try Imageevent for displaying your scans ?

About a year ago, my computer had a complicated problem which prevented me from posting my scans from them. I called their help desk in California.
I was on the phone with them for 40 minutes, and their guy guided me thru several procedures till we finally solved the problem. I was quite impressed
with their service. Incidentally, their annual fee is very reasonable.

Good Luck,

TED Z

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A question that has been going through my pea sized brain for years, and I am sure it has been answered...why did Jefferson Burdick name the t206 cards t206 and not t205, since they came first (1909 - 1911)? Why aren't t205s (1911) t206s instead? He or no one else cared to keep the sets chronological for some reason I am missing? Just asking.

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Originally Posted by Ronnie73 (Post 2139755)

It's been a little while since we've updated or questioned the current Old Mill checklist. Here is a list of my current differences from my checklist and why. I'd post scans, but have been having some issues where I can't see my pictures but some others can. The problem came out of nowhere. I changed nothing on my end.

PRINT GROUP ONE - 150/350 SERIES

Joe Birmingham (Should Be Added) (PSA shows 4) (SGC shows 2)
Fred Clarke - Batting (Should Be Added) (PSA shows 3) (SGC shows 2)
Bob Ganley (Should not be on this list, being an elite 11)
Cy Seymour - Batting (Should Be Added) (PSA shows 0) (SGC shows 1) Patrick Romolo posted a scan recently, also.

PRINT GROUP TWO - 350 ONLY SERIES

Josh Clark (Should be removed) (Both Pop Reports Show Zero) Unless a scan can be confirmed. T206Resource shows as confirmed, but I question it.
Chief Myers - Fielding (Should Be Added) (PSA shows 13) (SGC shows 8)

Here's a Birmingham, it's in rough shape but it's an Old Mill.

Attachment 477053

T206 REFERENCE.....interesting similarities between T206 Doyle Nat'L and T207 Hoff

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..... Piedmont ........ Sweet Caporal .......... EPDG_______The "House" that created these Tobacco cards______UZIT ................ Hindu ....... American Beauty

I have always been fascinated by the Joe Doyle Nat'L card and the T207 Chester "Red" Hoff cards. I've never owned the Doyle Nat'L card; however, I have handled 2 of them
over these past 14 years in the process of ascertaining their legitimacy. One of them was legitimate. The other one was a FAKE, as indicated by a very subtle minute flaw.

Anyhow, both them started pitching for the NY Highlanders. Both only 5' 9" and both had only 5-year careers. Here's where they differ....Joe Doyle lived to age 66, Chet Hoff
lived to the grand old age of 107.

Regarding their BB cards......
The Joe Doyle Nat'L card is the scarcest T206 card with only 9 of them (or perhaps 10) that are known (as of this date).
The Chet Hoff card is by no means a rare card; however, it is one of the tougher cards to find in the T207 set.

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Stay tuned for more on this subject.

TED Z
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Your T207 Hoff is a great looking card, and the Hoff card is one of the nicer portraits in the set. The one I have is my only T207 Cycle, and it has the added bonus of Buck Barker scribbling on its back as well. All of this makes it one of my T207 favorites.

Brian

Is this the thread for general T206 discussion/questions? Because I wanted to talk about Hindu Browns.

As I put together my Excel master tracker for my portraits project, and as I did my research on the different backs, I obviously came to understand that Hindu Brown was the toughest back for the 150 series, and I'd have to track down a lot of tough HoF in the Hindu back. However, I don't think I appreciated just how scarce some of these backs actually are.

Today I was taking a look through ebay just to see what was listed and what has been sold in the last 3 months in the Hindu Brown department, and let me tell you, its not a lot at all.

21 total sales in the last 3 months
12 cards currently listed for sale

They are still more populous than Carolina Brights, Broad Leaf, Lenox, Drum, and Uzit, but not that much more. Of the 21 sales noted above, it was actually less than 21 unique subjects, because there were multiple Griffith and Clarkes sold.

For the purposes of my master portrait project, I created 3 groups of backs: All Piedmonts + SweetCaps (except Piedmont 42), then AB, Cycle, EPDG, Old Mill, Polar Bear, Sovereign, Tolstoi and P42, and the third group of Hindu Brown/Red, Carolina Brights, Broad Leaf, Drum, Lenox and Uzit. I initially thought it might have been wrong to group the Brown Hindu in with that 3rd "ultra rare" group, but the more I think about it, the more I think that is appropriate at this point, given their availability.

I put together a combined PSA + SGC Pop report for the portraits back in June/July, and the combined populations of Hindu Brown range from 9 (O'Leary) to 38 (WaJo) with an average of about 20.

What is interesting is that if you compare the Hindu Brown totals to a back that is perceived to be less scarce like Tolstoi, it is quite interesting. There are currently 93 Tolstois listed on ebay (I didnt check each one, but it looks like this count is close), and there were 54 Tolstois sold in the last 3 months. When you dig into pop reports, I have 54 possible portraits in a Tolstoi back, with pops ranging from 1 (Rossman) to 44 (Chance Yellow and Crandall w/Cap), with an average population of 14. So on average, a Tolstoi back will be more rare than a Brown Hindu for the portrait subjects, but there are more Tolstois on the market than Brown Hindus. Using the old multipliers for pricing, if I remember right the Tolstoi was around 3x and the Brown Hindu was around 14x in Scot Reader's 2012 update.

As of now, I believe the complete Tolstoi checklist is 255 cards, with another 59 that are possible/probable. The Hindu Brown checklist is 136 cards. There is no way to directly compare them, since no subject with a Brown Hindu back also appears with a Tolstoi back.

Curious to hear thoughts on this

T206 REFERENCE.....interesting similarities between T206 Doyle Nat'L and T207 Hoff

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Originally Posted by brianp-beme (Post 2146737)

Hi Brian.....That Hoff / red CYCLE combo is a very difficult card to find. Thanks for posting your "Red" Hoff.

Chet Hoff Hoff made his big league debut in September 1911, the Highlanders were playing at Hilltop Park in the Washington Heights section of Manhattan. In his second major
league game, Hoff, a 20-year-old left-hander fresh off the Westchester County sandlots was summoned in relief against the Detroit Tigers. Chet recalled it 80 years later....."the
batter fouled off two -- the first two strikes were fastballs. The 3rd strike I threw him was a fast curve. It was a perfect strike over the plate and he looked at it. But at that time
I didn't know who he was, no more than the man in the moon, until the next morning I picked up The New York Journal. The big red headlines in the paper says Hoff Strikes Out
Ty Cobb. I couldn't believe it at first. It was the biggest thrill of my Baseball career."

I acquired this Hoff autograph back in the 1990's. The signature is well written, so he probably signed it many years ago. I got it from a known autograph collector in the hobby.

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ogchethoff.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...McLeanT207.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ecruitT207.jpg

TED Z

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Originally Posted by 53toppscollector (Post 2146749)

Is this the thread for general T206 discussion/questions? Because I wanted to talk about Hindu Browns.

As I put together my Excel master tracker for my portraits project, and as I did my research on the different backs, I obviously came to understand that Hindu Brown was the toughest back for the 150 series, and I'd have to track down a lot of tough HoF in the Hindu back. However, I don't think I appreciated just how scarce some of these backs actually are.

Today I was taking a look through ebay just to see what was listed and what has been sold in the last 3 months in the Hindu Brown department, and let me tell you, its not a lot at all.

21 total sales in the last 3 months
12 cards currently listed for sale

They are still more populous than Carolina Brights, Broad Leaf, Lenox, Drum, and Uzit, but not that much more. Of the 21 sales noted above, it was actually less than 21 unique subjects, because there were multiple Griffith and Clarkes sold.

For the purposes of my master portrait project, I created 3 groups of backs: All Piedmonts + SweetCaps (except Piedmont 42), then AB, Cycle, EPDG, Old Mill, Polar Bear, Sovereign, Tolstoi and P42, and the third group of Hindu Brown/Red, Carolina Brights, Broad Leaf, Drum, Lenox and Uzit. I initially thought it might have been wrong to group the Brown Hindu in with that 3rd "ultra rare" group, but the more I think about it, the more I think that is appropriate at this point, given their availability.

I put together a combined PSA + SGC Pop report for the portraits back in June/July, and the combined populations of Hindu Brown range from 9 (O'Leary) to 38 (WaJo) with an average of about 20.

What is interesting is that if you compare the Hindu Brown totals to a back that is perceived to be less scarce like Tolstoi, it is quite interesting. There are currently 93 Tolstois listed on ebay (I didnt check each one, but it looks like this count is close), and there were 54 Tolstois sold in the last 3 months. When you dig into pop reports, I have 54 possible portraits in a Tolstoi back, with pops ranging from 1 (Rossman) to 44 (Chance Yellow and Crandall w/Cap), with an average population of 14. So on average, a Tolstoi back will be more rare than a Brown Hindu for the portrait subjects, but there are more Tolstois on the market than Brown Hindus. Using the old multipliers for pricing, if I remember right the Tolstoi was around 3x and the Brown Hindu was around 14x in Scot Reader's 2012 update.

As of now, I believe the complete Tolstoi checklist is 255 cards, with another 59 that are possible/probable. The Hindu Brown checklist is 136 cards. There is no way to directly compare them, since no subject with a Brown Hindu back also appears with a Tolstoi back.

Curious to hear thoughts on this

Hi James, I have 254 Tolstoi's confirmed the same list as t206resource I think it's actually 253 (I believe Bender with trees is a PSA flip error) which
one do you have confirmed that's not confirmed on this list? Bender with trees is confirmed 8-22-22

https://www.t206resource.com/Tolstoi%20Checklist.html

Reprising my TOLSTOI information......

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When American Lithographic started printing the 350 Series T206's, they introduced new T-brands: AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, CAROLINA BRIGHTS, CYCLE, DRUM,
EPDG, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR, and TOLSTOI .

TOLSTOI print runs started circa early 1910. Continued to the end of the T206 press runs (Spring 1911). To date, 255 subjects have been confirmed. Most TOLSTOI cards
are not tough to find. However, certain 350-only subjects printed early in 1910 must have been short-printed, as they are very tough to find.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ackTOLSTOI.jpg

TOLSTOI checklist (255 subjects) confirmed. They are listed here according to their respective T206 series.

350-only Series...................146 subjects

Abstein
Anderson
Arellanes
Atz
Barbeau
Barger
Barry (A's)
Bender (trees)............. ?
Bescher (portrait)
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell
Burns
Bush
Byrne
Campbell
Carrigan

Casey
Chappelle
Charles
Clark
Clymer
Collins (Milwaukee)
Collins (A's)
Cree
Cross
Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Demmitt (New York American)
Dineen
Doolan (fielding)
Dorner
Downey (fielding)
Downs
Joe Doyle (NY)
Dubuc
Jack Dunn

Joe Dunn
Dygert
Easterly
Engle
Evans
Ferguson
Fiene (throwing)
Fletcher
Ganzel
Gasper
Graham (St Louis)
Gray
Grimshaw
Groom
Hartsell
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis AL)

Hofman
Howard (Chicago NL)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Jones (Detroit)
Kelley
Killian (portrait)
Kisinger
Kleinow (New York-catching)
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)
Kroh
LaPorte
Lattimore
Lavender
Lennox

Livingstone
Lord
Maddox
Maloney
Marquard (portrait)
Mattern
McAleese
McBride
McCormick
McElveen
McGinnity
McIntyre (Detroit)
McLean
Merritt
Milan
Miller (Pittsburg)
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moeller
Moran (Chicago NL)

Mowrey
Murray (bat)
Myers (batting)
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Nichols (bat)
Oakes
O'Brien
O'Neill
Paskert
Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Phillippe
Purtell
Puttman
Quillen
Quinn
Randall
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rhoades (hands at chest)

Rhodes
Ritter
Rossman
Rudolph
Schmidt (portrait)
Schreck
Scott
Shannon
Sharpe
Slagle
Smith (Chicago, white cap)
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (bat)
Speaker
Starr
Stanage
Stephens
Strang
Summers
Taylor

Thomas
Unglaub
Warhop
Willett
Wilson
Zimmerman

350/460 series...................57 subjects

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Harry Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)

Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake, St. Louis (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifeld (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)

Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (Chicago-pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (throwing)
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (glove)

460-only Series......…..........46 subjects

Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (hands over head)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Camnitz (arm at side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Devore
Duffy
Larry Doyle (portrait)
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hand at waist}

Hummel
Lake, St. Louis (ball)
Latham
Marquard (pitching)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (batting)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)

H. Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on shoulder)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)

Six Super-Prints

Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Evers (Chicago-yellow sky)
Mathewson (dark cap)

This is a work is stillin progress.

TED Z
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