Originally Posted by parkerj33 (Post 2158408)

Hey Ted.

In another thread you posted a pic of 12 150-only cards, and seemed to imply that they must have been on the same sheet. Maybe I misread your implication, but I don't see how you can conclude that because there were 11 150-only cards that weren't extended into the 150/350 series, that they then must have been on the same sheet.

Here is my reasoning: ATC puts together ~150 (156) cards for the first series....They are randomly organized into sheets (maybe 12 wide, maybe not....) for printing and then for back "assignment".

Turns out that out of those ~150, a few errors, mistakes and problems arise...guys die, guys leave the big leagues, Plank/wagner, Magie/Magee, etc. When they laid out the original sheets in april 1909, they would have had no idea which random images would need to later be excised....

So my contention, is that when they decided to expand to 350 cards...they just took the first ~12 or so from the proposed new sheets and inserted them into the existing sheets as replacements for the non-extended subjects. maybe they had 9 to replace, but since they had sheets of 12, they replaced 12 people from the 150series sheet layouts.

respectfully, jim.

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2158703)

Hi Jim.....excuse my delay in responding, as we had a 5-hour power failure last night.

American Litho (ALC) started planning the T206 designs for the 150 Series in 1908-09. But started their presses rolling with just these 12 subjects (in post #1359) in Spring of 1909.

Throughout the remainder of 1909, ALC cranked out 144 more 150 Series subjects. These little Tobacco cards became so popular, that ALC extended many of them into 1910, when
they started printing the 350 Series cards. ALC continued printing many of this group of 144 cards, but with PIEDMONT 350, SOVEREIGN 350, SWEET CAP 350, etc. on their backs.

I'm not sure that I have answered your question. If not, I'll try again.


TED Z

T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists
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Originally Posted by parkerj33 (Post 2158720)

Ted, i am asking really, why do you think these 12 were the very first ones printed? What is the evidence to draw that conclusion?

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2158960)

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...... Piedmont ...... Sweet Caporal ..... Polar Bear_____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards_____Sovereign ........... Hindu ........ American Beauty


I found one more blue Wagner hiding in my archived stack of graded T206's. This one increases my total of blue Wagner's to 12 with different Tobacco advertisements.

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I started this thread's title with..... "Can't afford the orange Wagner" ..... it occasionally reminds me of when I first got back into this hobby in the late 1970's.
Back then, I could afford to buy a half a dozen Orange Wagner's. I had a fantastic salary working as a Senior Electronics Engineer at Bell Laboratories in NJ.

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