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I'd think that the Bills above is older, and not part of the same series. It does not match style wise. Edited: So, I just found a copy of the Bills mini pennant on Worthpoint. See below. And it has an American Knitwear stamp. So, I guess that answers that for the mini pennants (and their large counterparts). Not sure about Fballguy's Bills pennant. |
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Are those Baseball Keezer pennants mini pennants like the football or full size? |
JR has a different Keezer Yankees on ebay than the one shown in Erik’s collage. It’s rough.
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Marc...Your large Oilers and my Bills have the same stiff non-"felt" tassels. |
That strange tassel material (and sometimes spines) seems to suggest that they came from the same era, probably early 1960s.
Gary- the baseball Keezer ones I have been posting (e.g., White Sox) are full size. |
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These are all stamped American Knitwear. All mini pennants.
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Wow, nice find Marc. Who knew all you had to do was search for "American Knitwear" (rather than Keezer) pennants?
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That Pirate mini is different from the normal, full size Pirate we always associated with Keezer. Come to think of it, it seems awfully consistent with Marc's SF Giants pennant, bearing no mark, but believed to be by Keezer/American Knitwear.
Both are 5" x 12". Doesn't this suggest there's a whole set of baseball 5" x 12" minis by Keezer/American Knitwear with new artwork, not seen on older full size Keezers? |
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I agree - I think the Astros and Oilers may be from the same manufacturer. They look similar to me. I also wonder if the California angels pennant c. late 1965 or c. 1966 is from the same set? In my opinion it could be. Originally, I didn’t think Rob’s Bills was from the same set since it had no name beneath the mascot, but the LA angels pennant below doesn’t have the team name either, but it is clearly of the same design as the California version. So it could be an earlier version (pre 64 brochure)? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...1d862f9d13.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...1ab048e188.jpg |
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Those two absolutely could be from the same set! |
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Here's another definite Keezer. It's a shame the vast majority of these football Keezers are mini's. :(
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Jackie Robinson barnstorming pennant
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Here are a couple photos of my Jackie Robinson 1953-54 barnstorming pennant on display at the Jackie Robinson Museum in NYC. It's displayed right below a 1997 50th anniversary pennant, and right next to a 1949 Welcome Dodgers banner that is high up on my wish list. I haven't made it to see the museum in person yet, buy hopefully will soon. I know several MLB teams have toured the museum when they traveled to NY since it opened.
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Great stuff Rick. I personally use all LED lights as well. You’re a lot braver than I loaning your stuff out. It’s always great to share, but few people treat our items like we would treat them. I would be worried to no end.
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The. Choices for a World Series Pennant in Philly are weak
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Yeah, I enjoy sharing stuff too. Wish caretakers and historians cared as much as we do.
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Rick, you’re a better man than I.
I won’t even leave a valued piece with a professional framer, in the fear they’ll “f” something up. I must have at least 300 framed pieces, and have done every single one myself. :eek: |
Same here Mark.
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The mini-version of the pennant pictured below.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/12558362571...Q&LH_Auction=1 An ugly pennant, for sure. I assumed Ad Flag until recently noticing that the lettering is distinctly WGN. |
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Disagree, Greg. I think that’s beautiful! You own the full sized version? |
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Hmmm, I think Greg’s correct. I am selling about 20 vintage Angels pennants on eBay (a few sold) And his keen eye recognized this one, but the others are all vintage. I’ll adjust the listing. Thx for bringing it up! |
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Here's a seller with some good prices...... if you could only move that pesky decimal point to the left, that is...
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_dkr...ates%20pennant |
This is an amazing thread and with over 1.4 million views. Wow
Just wondering is this one of the longest and most viewed threads? |
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https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_dkr...owns%20pennant The funny thing is, one of his best pennants, the Philadelphia Athletics, isn't too unreasonably priced (by his standards). I'm surprised he didn't go with 4 digits. |
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/16333780120...fiOYQ&LH_BIN=1 I offered him $60, he countered with $2,850. Kinda like a reverse Pawn Stars haggle! |
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I don't know about the "salesman's sample" logic; but there are some slight differences between the two that make me shake my head, e.g., stitching in the balls, detail in the grandstands, and the presence of the the flag at the tail-end. I think the better explanation is the maker wanted to print this in white ink on red felt; but, because white ink is more viscous than darker colors, had to use a screen with a lower mesh count and a design with slightly less detail...? I can't come up with any other reason for such a slight variation. |
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In light of these findings I’m willing to up my offer … I think $80 is about right. ;) |
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I recently acquired the mid 1970s pennants pictured below. Has anyone seen the 1974 Nets pennant before? In my limited online search attempts, I found ones with no date and ones with a crown, but none with a date and no crown. Unfortunately, mine is missing the tip and has some dirt showing.
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The more common Bum has fine whiskers... let's say about 2 days of growth. The far rarer version has fewer/courser whiskers, looking like about 4 days of growth. Other differences include the Cigar Ash, the Hat Brim detail, and the way the hair/sideburn covers his ear. I've always been intrigued by this and own 2 examples of each, though I'd estimate the "smaller whiskers" version outnumbers the other by about 8 to 1. Yet another hobby mystery! |
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Here’s the same bum, in color and with a pimple on his schnoz. Not Trench and possibly not the same company as the other bums you pictured. |
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As we know, "quality control" was kind of absent when these pennants were being cranked out. Differences in screen mesh counts can alter the level of detail seen in the final product ... changes in humidity will affect the drying process ... lighter colored inks perform differently than darker ones. It's not always possible to make perfect copies, one after the next. |
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More specimens from the "ball thru the name" series, manufactured by the same maker as the Robinson, Paige, and Doby pennants....
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And look at the difference in lines between his eyes and eyebrows, all of which are all missing on the second example. These are two distinctively different Bum variations. |
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Well, if WGN made this "ball thru the name" series, then that would mean they made this ca. 1958 Los Angeles Dodgers pennant as well....
...which looks nothing like WGN's known pennants from the late 1950s. This one's monochrome and features two pairs of tassels. By the late 1950s, WGN's pennants had no tassels; and, they were experimenting with polychromatic designs featuring a Day Glo color palette. It's a close call; and I can see the resemblance to WGN; but, I think this series may just be by another maker. |
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I agree with Greg that the other Ball through the Name pennants look like WGN but the 2 Dodgers pennants are a different manufacturer. |
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