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soxinseven 03-07-2022 09:00 AM

Ogdens Jackson
 
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Back from SGC. I feel like it's a bit over graded but I'm harsh on black border issues. I'm just happy to own a crease free example.

D. Bergin 03-07-2022 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2200205)
These will look familiar ;).

Pretty nice stack in my eyes, the fronts are bolder in color than C52's are normally found. C52's tend to be less good on the registration front than the T218 print runs, faces for example are usually a little out of registration and these are no different. Almost all the cards have back toning and spots of toning on the front that I suspect are from decades long storage in the album they were in. This seems common in C52, the heavily browned backs that turn the ink a bluish/green are not a stock variant, just toning. I suspect it is common because Imperial Tobacco tended to issue albums for their cards that people stored them in and this setup has led to toning. The album this came with is certainly not the Imperial Tobacco album that could have been issued for the set. I do suspect one may have been issued though and could turn up.

None of these would grade higher than a 3 I think, but they look good and I never care much about condition anyways. This lot brings me up to 86 out of the 109 cards in the set, and gives me some dupes now that are available for swapping (hit me up if anyone is interested). I have to bump C52 up my priority list now, 23 to go isn't too bad.

I got the T53's, T73's and single C71 with the find. Plugged some holes in my T73 set and a lot of the T53's were small upgrades to my completed master set. C71 I have to research, looks pretty cool and I like the non-sport animal series', but that's for the other board.

Those are great looking C52's.....particularly the Johnson and Jeffries. I think they're really under-rated and not especially common at all.

D. Bergin 03-07-2022 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by soxinseven (Post 2203213)
Back from SGC. I feel like it's a bit over graded but I'm harsh on black border issues. I'm just happy to own a crease free example.


Holy Cows.......that's a fantastic example of that card.

Exhibitman 03-07-2022 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2203235)
Holy Cows.......that's a fantastic example of that card.

Ditto. I am happy to have any example in my collection.

wondo 03-08-2022 05:57 PM

1911 La Boxe
 
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French “Sports Library” series

GasHouseGang 03-10-2022 10:43 AM

That's an interesting card John, I've never seen one of those.

G1911 03-11-2022 04:56 PM

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Another batch thanks to the board here.

I love the N28's but don't plan to ever build the set, with the cost of the baseball cards. I'll have to put more effort into the boxers in it now that the big one is here. I prefer this Sullivan to any of John L.'s other non-cabinet sized cards, even if it is one of his most common vintage items. Great pose of a great champion.

Got a couple more Mayo's, with Tommy Ryan being the highlight. I'm trying to build this set both ways with the name at top and bottom. Ryan is my kind of card I prefer, priced as a common but a top-tier boxer.

Sullivan is most of the $ in the batch, but the Red Sun's are the big gets as they are very difficult cards. This puts me up to 11 of them ~7 months after I started the set. I don't expect to continue this pace. Brown is in pretty bad shape for a Red Sun, most of the surviving examples are in decent condition, but can't be picky with these. Brown is also noteworthy as being one of the few subjects in T226 that has a T218 card but uses a different picture than the T218/T9 uses. Happy to have two more here

Jcfowler6 03-11-2022 05:57 PM

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The other day I was going thru a stack of n150 actors and actresses. This card was in the stack. I’ve had it for years. Until recently I assumed it was an actor. I’ve even tried to sell it at flea markets for $10.

Not necessarily a new pickup but a new realization.

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G1911 03-11-2022 07:33 PM

I’d be thrilled as all get out to find that Sullivan in one of my stacks of random cards. Very nice one

GasHouseGang 03-11-2022 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jcfowler6 (Post 2204728)

The other day I was going thru a stack of n150 actors and actresses. This card was in the stack. I’ve had it for years. Until recently I assumed it was an actor. I’ve even tried to sell it at flea markets for $10.

Not necessarily a new pickup but a new realization.

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I guess I need to go to more flea markets! If you want to double your original asking price, I'd go up to $20! :D

wdmullins 03-14-2022 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jcfowler6 (Post 2204728)
The other day I was going thru a stack of n150 actors and actresses. This card was in the stack. I’ve had it for years. Until recently I assumed it was an actor. I’ve even tried to sell it at flea markets for $10.

Not necessarily a new pickup but a new realization.

nice card

Exhibitman 03-15-2022 01:53 PM

Trimmed but I like it anyway:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...%20Corbett.png

G1911 03-15-2022 06:09 PM

Very nice Corbett

G1911 03-17-2022 09:21 PM

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Big thank you to one of the members here for sending me these! Mostly a boxing set, so I think these are close enough to go here. Usually I think SGC overgrades my boxing pickups, but I'm not sure why the Leary is a 2. Davidson is a good looking 2, McWood a lower end 2, but Leary looks like a 3-3.5 to me.

I know the Davidson is a bit more popular, it's a weird looking picture which puts it up my alley. Goes with my T218 Jordan's as the totality of my roller skater collection.

Brings me to 13 of the 40 T224/T229 fronts, ~7-8 months into the project. Coming faster than I expected, probably won't ever finish but it's a fun and rare set and I'll enjoy however many I end up with to display. I don't want to know what Jack Johnson will cost me...

Exhibitman 03-17-2022 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wondo (Post 2203694)
French “Sports Library” series

Willie Lewis (listed on the cover of your book) apparently was a big deal in France. He fought out of Paris for a while. I have this large relief bronze of him from 1911:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...s%20Bronze.JPG

It's a pretty good likeness:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/l4QAA...K3/s-l1600.jpg

It is the only piece of memorabilia I have on display in the living room that doesn't annoy my wife.

pete zouras 03-18-2022 10:56 AM

card not in short supply
 
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in this grade, but happy to have

G1911 03-20-2022 05:32 PM

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The one on the right is new. There are several Sullivan's and Corbett's in this series, with both of them termed the "Champion of the World". It is a presumably from sometime between 1892 and 1897, probably the early part of that range. Not sure how many make a full set or who made this unmarked series, but they are fairly common and cheap by Sullivan cabinet standards.

A previous owner pencilled the outlines of his career and life up to Sullivan's death on the back.

G1911 03-24-2022 08:38 PM

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I don't even know what I just bought. It was on eBay as a "Cabinet Card", but it is not a cabinet card as it is not a mounted photo, or in the standard cabinet size. It is just printed onto the stock like a postcard. I've never heard the term "vivi-photo" that is stamped I the bottom left before. My search didn't turn up much about this, or the address listed on the card.

I'm not even sure it's even 1910 period, but Cooley was a decent boxer and a tragic life who has few cards, so if I bought some later image or fake, it's fine and will display nice all the same. It was pretty cheap.

sthoemke 03-25-2022 12:29 AM

I tink the Fred Cooley photo is authentic to the period (circa 1910).

Produced by Hennegan & Co. of Cincinnati, Ohio.

Here are a few postcards for sale produced by the same company around the same time period.

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sea...pnav-_-Results

Exhibitman 03-25-2022 10:39 AM

can anyone ID this guy?

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...ermoxa%201.jpg

I thought this blotter was fun:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...y%20Tunney.jpg

Am I reading too much into it or do these illustrations actually resemble the pair?

G1911 03-25-2022 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sthoemke (Post 2208653)
I tink the Fred Cooley photo is authentic to the period (circa 1910).

Produced by Hennegan & Co. of Cincinnati, Ohio.

Here are a few postcards for sale produced by the same company around the same time period.

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sea...pnav-_-Results

Thank you sir!

LuckyLarry 03-25-2022 10:54 AM

I'm slowly working on a second set 1955 Parkhurst Wrestling. With a little extra coin I had in my pocket picked up this Bronko Nagurski $33.65 delivered after Canada shipping and US taxes. About as cheap as you're gonna find one?
Larry
https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=33000https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=33001

wicker56 03-25-2022 09:54 PM

Adam,

in my opinion the pair definitely looks like Tunney on the right and and Dempsey on the left. a cool piece, and one I’ve not seen before.

sthoemke 03-27-2022 02:02 AM

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Picked up a 1973 Dimanche Derniere Jean Ferre (aka Andre the Giant)

https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1648368133

sthoemke 03-27-2022 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LuckyLarry (Post 2208745)
I'm slowly working on a second set 1955 Parkhurst Wrestling. With a little extra coin I had in my pocket picked up this Bronko Nagurski $33.65 delivered after Canada shipping and US taxes. About as cheap as you're gonna find one?
Larry
https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=33000https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=33001

Nice pickup. The Potato Chips stamped cards are pretty scarce.

G1911 04-24-2022 05:35 PM

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Thank you to Adam for these. I generally don't collect the N cards because the boxing N cards are either

1) Not realistically possible to complete a set because they are so scarce or

2) The set has baseball players in it which means completing the set costs $$$$$$ and I'm a cheapass.

I've gotten better at accepting I just won't complete some sets and enjoy having an incomplete set. I may pick up the non-baseball's, but I'm not willing to pay the price for Anson/Kelly etc. Thanks to Adam, I just got the boxing subset in one go without having to decide to chase them all down. Thanks Adam.

The Mitchell is much nicer than I thought it was looking at the pictures, the colors really pop on the lithographic cards when they aren't toned as most of them are, even in higher grades. Jem Smith is my favorite of the N162's.

Of course, I believe I still need to get the variations. Mitchell and Dempsey have the lithographer line at back bottom, Sullivan and Smith do not (Kilrain has paper loss obscuring his). I don't know which back type is tougher and am not knowledgeable about this issue. I believe all 50 cards come both ways, but this may be wrong.

Exhibitman 04-24-2022 08:18 PM

My pleasure. That subset took a rather convoluted route to get to you. Some jackass won the set at auction from me, reneged, got thrown off eBay, re-registered the next week, won it again AND RENEGED AGAIN! Rather than relist and let that guy get another crack at it, I sold it privately.

GasHouseGang 04-26-2022 10:56 AM

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This just showed up in the mail.

D. Bergin 04-27-2022 09:09 AM

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This just showed up in the mail.


I've probably handled over 100 different postcards over the years from that fight...but I think that might be the coolest one. Looks like a montage or collage against the background of a crowd shot. Very neat composition.

D. Bergin 04-27-2022 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 2218470)
My pleasure. That subset took a rather convoluted route to get to you. Some jackass won the set at auction from me, reneged, got thrown off eBay, re-registered the next week, won it again AND RENEGED AGAIN! Rather than relist and let that guy get another crack at it, I sold it privately.


Care to share the bidder Id's?

GasHouseGang 04-27-2022 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2219501)
I've probably handled over 100 different postcards over the years from that fight...but I think that might be the coolest one. Looks like a montage or collage against the background of a crowd shot. Very neat composition.

I thought it was a great composition too, and the content on the back really reflects the times. Plus, it was postmarked the day after the fight.

Exhibitman 04-27-2022 11:10 AM

The deadbeat bidder is Jason Hamilton from Ohio. His first ID was allaboutthering. eBay removed it. The next one he used the name "John Taggerty" but the shipping address is Jason Hamilton in Ohio. That ID is aboxerslife and since it is active I suggest you block it.

D. Bergin 04-27-2022 12:22 PM

Thanks Adam

edtiques 05-13-2022 06:36 PM

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I just picked up these two pinbacks of Ali. I thought they were kind of unusual.

On June 29th, 1979, world heavyweight boxing champion Muhammad Ali faced Governor Brendan Byrne and Jersey City Mayor Thomas Smith in exhibition bouts at the Jersey City armory. The supposed purpose of the event was to raise money for the Medical Center.

G1911 05-13-2022 06:57 PM

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Thanks to a board member for a purchase and trade here.

The T220 Tolstoi Dempsey is the big get for me - this completes my T220 Tolstoi set and my T220 White Border Master set with all 3 backs and all image variations. It puts me at 189/190 cards in the T220 full master set - only the Jas. J. Corbett Silver Border to go (anyone want to cash out and sell one yet?). I got my first Tolstoi close to 20 years ago when I was a kid

The C52's put me at 89/109 in my set, down to 20 cards left. The Cutler measures considerably short but it looks the nicest.

The Wolgast puts me at 42 of the 50 Honest Long Cut Green backs, and at 146 cards deep into the master set. I doubt I will ever complete this master run, but it's a been a blast working on it.

The T227 Coulon is the purple back variation. Still need Honest Long Cut Purples of Johnson, Klaus, and Attell.

Pickup days are becoming rarer as I'm pretty deep into my c. 1910 boxing master runs now, which just makes them more fun.

G1911 05-20-2022 04:17 PM

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Got a book this week from the BST. Had never heard of it before.

One of my lanes of interest has been figuring what was known when about the T cards. I've found little to no checklists even from before the time I entered boxing card land in ~2003, so for $20 I thought this might be interesting material.

Some of it is woefully inaccurate or just incomplete. The T218 series are nowhere even close to accurate (but then again I don't think any source has been close to correct besides Vrechek's article), and the writer did not know Tolstoi backs exist at all. It's interesting to see what cards just weren't known then. T224/T226/C52 note that their checklists are not complete and are reporting what has been seen, and labels 50 cards for T224-9. For T220 it says Coburn with and without a man to left exists in both white and silver, it reports the T220 Silver Jack Goodman fantasy while missing the Donovan (of course) and Jas. J. Corbett (when was this card first known? It's public knowledge predates the Donovan of 2006). Other parts are surprisingly on point. T219 has all 4 backs listed, by far the earliest reference to the Green backs (guess I didn't figure that out ;) and to Red Cross being physically smaller than the other 3 (guess I didn't figure that out either ;). Lots of good stuff about the British issues. Been a fun read for a few bucks with some insights into the historiography.

Also got a 23 card set of VG-EX T220 Silver's, 5 of them turned out to be upgrades.

Exhibitman 05-20-2022 05:44 PM

Seconds Out is a go-to guide for the UK issues. I've found it very useful in ID'ing types for my collection. Unlike the WTI, it has pictures. When I saw the American section it inspired me to start doing my own books--i couldn't make it worse...

As for new stuff, these finally landed from So. America, so say hello to my little friends:

1956 Crack Gigantes de Figuritas Sport Marciano

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...0Marciano.jpeg

1952 Figuritas Lali Archie Moore

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...i%20Moore.jpeg

Both rare as hell. I hadn't seen the Marciano offered for sale in years and the Moore was one I'd never seen before.

G1911 05-22-2022 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 2226661)
Seconds Out is a go-to guide for the UK issues. I've found it very useful in ID'ing types for my collection. Unlike the WTI, it has pictures. When I saw the American section it inspired me to start doing my own books--i couldn't make it worse...

I have the 2016-2017 edition of your book and have found it to be a wonderful resource for identifying the weird stuff I come across and random types, even though I'm not really the target for a book focused on types since I deep dive into the minutia of a handful of sets vs. getting lots of different stuff. A digital version would be very handy ;)

I've never had a copy of the WTI or the ACC. I should hunt some copies down to see what they say on T218-T229.

Exhibitman 05-22-2022 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2227014)

I've never had a copy of the WTI or the ACC. I should hunt some copies down to see what they say on T218-T229.

You'll be disappointed. Those indices have little to no information beyond set size and manufacturer. Until i gave it a shot no one had bothered to try an actual write-up or checklist.

G1911 05-22-2022 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 2227052)
You'll be disappointed. Those indices have little to no information beyond set size and manufacturer. Until i gave it a shot no one had bothered to try an actual write-up or checklist.

Thanks for saving my cash. The search for the old checklists continues

G1911 05-22-2022 08:27 PM

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Got a small lot of some T218's that had 2 Gilles' with no back scans. Finally lucked out and scored a surprise Gillis

G1911 05-25-2022 09:57 PM

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I don't know much about dating postcards so I don't know when this is from beyond that it's not very recent. I like to get cards I find aesthetically nice of guys in the T218/T220 issue, so for less than $20 on eBay today I figure it was low risk and I'll enjoy it for that price regardless of when its from.

Jeffries was probably the greatest of the early heavyweight champions but has little modern interest relative to the popularity he had in his own time. Means there's a lot of stuff of him and most of it is cheap, which is lovely for me.

Exhibitman 05-25-2022 10:22 PM

Playle ID's that as a 1930-1950 PC back type.

G1911 05-25-2022 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 2228234)
Playle ID's that as a 1930-1950 PC back type.

Thank you!

G1911 05-26-2022 06:11 PM

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Picked up a few more Mayo's. I was the underbidder on a lot of the others, happy to cross 1 of the Sullivan's off my wantlist. The Creeden and Goss don't measure right, I am confident the Creeden is trimmed. Neither belonged in a numbered slab, but it's rare I acquire an SGC card that is actually graded correctly. Why they insist (or insisted) on slapping 1890 on the label will always be a mystery to me.

G1911 05-29-2022 08:30 PM

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Pal Moore of Pennsylvania is most renowned for being mistaken for Pal Moore of Memphis. Willie Beecher is most renowned for appearing in this set of cards. I really love the artwork for this set and the interesting outdoor backgrounds on the type 1 images. I really wish there had been a larger T9 type set incorporating these images in a larger format.

Exhibitman 05-30-2022 08:53 AM

Did you just get those or just photograph those?

G1911 05-30-2022 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 2229598)
Did you just get those or just photograph those?

Just acquired them - I don’t abuse the new pickups thread THAT badly ;).

Exhibitman 05-30-2022 03:21 PM

Nice. Private sale or more on eBay?

G1911 05-30-2022 03:24 PM

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Nice. Private sale or more on eBay?

The gentleman who outbid me on them last year was kind enough to let me buy them in a private sale. Just have to figure out a good way to display them now


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