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Exhibitman 11-07-2023 09:28 PM

Very cool. I love press used photos.

mikecala98 11-27-2023 11:59 AM

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G1911 11-30-2023 08:55 PM

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Got these a few weeks ago thanks to GFG, the tougher orientations of each subject. My last pickups for the year. Moran is my favorite, as Benny Kaufman didn't make the classic T sets I love.

gunboat82 12-07-2023 04:55 PM

I'm not a boxing collector, but my stepmom gave me some of her old keepsakes, and this cool piece was in there.

https://i.imgur.com/U3zPENol.jpg
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Exhibitman 12-07-2023 05:33 PM

That's a fun piece!

jefferyepayne 12-11-2023 04:49 PM

Hi all!

Looking for very early professional wrestling items from before pro wrestling became more entertainment than sport. Think Frank Gotch, Farmer Burns, etc.

Looking for cabinets, postcards, etc. from the 1800s through early 1900s.

jeff

Bcwcardz 12-16-2023 08:33 AM


Cool posters. Some great names. I’ve seen a few a those guys live and they are great especially Andre the Giant. Wrestling isn’t what it used to be. We really miss having exciting current wrestlers.


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Bcwcardz 12-16-2023 08:33 AM


Cool posters. Some great names. I’ve seen a few a those guys live and they are great especially Andre the Giant. Wrestling isn’t what it used to be. We really miss having exciting current wrestlers.


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Exhibitman 12-17-2023 08:07 AM

Big Bob Duncum snd Johnny Rodz sound like porn names.

D. Bergin 12-17-2023 08:15 AM

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Big Bob Duncum snd Johnny Rodz sound like porn names.


There's a very fine line between picking your porn name and your wrestling name.

G1911 12-30-2023 01:04 AM

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I was supposed to be done for the year but I was a naughty boy and saw an advantageous opportunity to pick up a batch of Tolstoi's at a price that nets me 1 I need, will let me send a couple gratis to pals, and then sell the rest to make what I paid back and make my Hatranft free.

Hartranft is the score, as he puts me at 49 out of the 50 possible Tolstoi cards in hand. More importantly, he also puts me at 631/632 of the total possible cards for a true T218 master set; I was fortunate to manage to pick up the absolute toughest combinations which are actually in the Mecca run before the deep stretch of the Tolstoi run while I was building the checklist and figuring out what I was actually chasing. I only need a Jack Goodman Tolstoi back to finish this thing. Anyone want to trade a Jack Goodman for 2 Tolstoi's, in their favor? Send over your wantlists if you are collecting Tolstoi backs, most of the dupes will be for trade/sale/etc.

yanksfan09 01-15-2024 05:20 PM

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Any idea how rare the 1928 James Braddock / graham double sided exhibit is?

I believe the 1925 champion exhibits Dempsey is pretty scarce as well but maybe probably not quite as much…

chalupacollects 02-10-2024 08:50 PM

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Picked up Iron Mike auto on commemorative coin -1995Attachment 609769


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G1911 02-15-2024 11:27 AM

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Stretching the definition of a recent pick-up, but I bought these months ago and had COMC finally ship them not too long ago and finally got around to sorting everything into my collection. When I see old boxing for .50 to $1, I tend to just buy it even if I don't know much of anything about it, that's a fun price to just accumulate old stuff of champions.

D. Bergin 02-15-2024 01:53 PM

LOL, nice Ingemar's.

Thanks to about a 5 year span in Sweden and some of it's neighboring countries, and taking Muhammad Ali and modern rainbow variations out of the mix...Ingemar Johansson probably had more different cards produced of him than any other boxer in the hobby.

Floyd Patterson might be in 2nd place...just because of his affiliation with Johansson.

G1911 02-15-2024 03:02 PM

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LOL, nice Ingemar's.

Thanks to about a 5 year span in Sweden and some of it's neighboring countries, and taking Muhammad Ali and modern rainbow variations out of the mix...Ingemar Johansson probably had more different cards produced of him than any other boxer in the hobby.

Floyd Patterson might be in 2nd place...just because of his affiliation with Johansson.

After seeing just how many different Ingemar photos there are from just Dutch Gum alone, I am not surprised to learn this lol

G1911 02-15-2024 08:20 PM

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And an 1889 N269 card from Lorillard's, with the Ballin & Liebler credit that I got this week. Personally, I think Mr. Pendergast's sweet mustache is more impressive than any won/loss record in the boxing ring.

Exhibitman 02-16-2024 06:50 AM

Yeah, the guys in that era had some serious face furniture. You could do a collection of them. Actually I did...

John C Heenan:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...enan%20CDV.jpg

Paddy Ryan:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...n_%20Paddy.jpg

Joe Goss:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...oss_%20Joe.jpg

George Godfrey:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...odfrey%201.jpg

The Great John L.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...ld%20champ.jpg

Richard K. Fox:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi.../Fox%20CDV.jpg

IMHO Goss wins that contest. I don't even know how you eat with a crumb catcher like that over your mouth.

G1911 02-16-2024 06:20 PM

Now those are some 'staches. It's just not the same these days when our champions don't have extravagant facial hair

G1911 02-17-2024 12:43 AM

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Broke my normal pattern to win these three. I don't care about slabs and bust free anything that isn't in my trade bait box, so I usually don't win anything graded over a 3. The silvers are my favorite set, and I'm building a couple sets of it, one as nice as I can get and one as beater as I can get (which is a ton of fun to do and incredibly cheap).

This set was listed last year, I won the James J. Corbett and since then the others have slowly sold. The final ones were put up at auction instead of BIN's, I put in what I thought of as lowball bids on everything, under the previously sold cards by a fair bit. Erne was $103, Carney $126, Choyinski $271. I thought I might get Erne because the card is obviously short.

This set has sequentially serialized PSA slabs (James J. Corbett's is different) and has been the registry set for a long time. I've assumed the cards came from a find of 24 cards (there was no Donovan in this set), presumably from a scrapbook based on some of the backs, but I don't know. Some size variance is normal in T220 silver; I don't fully understand why (because of the large margins on the sheet above and below the cards), but naturally short top/bottom cards tend to be those in the top row, especially Jordan. This Erne, in hand, is very short. Erne is also a top row card (the others are Frayne, Burke, and the James J. Corbett extreme SP rarity) and frequently found short top/bottom, but this is a bit extreme of a variance and it gives me some doubts this collection is unaltered.

I figured I'd throw them into my trade bait bin if I won anything, but I might crack them all out for my set now as I am not confident these are unaltered, it is very difficult to examine them properly without being able to directly handle, and I do not believe 2 of them to be accurate grades. I tend to find most cards graded in this set to be 1-2 grades inflated, they are very very generous on this issue and forgiving of corner damage, slight missing paper at corners, and even tiny corner creases. I would call my set mostly EX/EX-MT now, with a couple VG/EX's the graders would call 5-6 and a VG Donovan. The Choyinski here is the closest to an actual 7 if unaltered. They are still very nice condition and would go well in my main set of silvers.

G1911 02-29-2024 11:44 AM

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Owen Moran here makes for 42 out of the 50 Red Sun cards down. Realistically, I am only going to be able to go for a set of the 46 white boys. T226 probably has one of the more unusual sheet layouts, but I have made no success in deducing how this all worked at a production level.

Narrows my realistic want list down to just Jem Driscoll, Stanley Ketchell, Bert Keyes, and Harry Stone. I would like to eventually pick up a baseball type card just to go with the set.

G1911 03-02-2024 12:02 PM

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And some more silvers. They will be cracked out shortly, and I knew the condition when I bought them, but the Burke has got to be one of the worst 4's I have seen in awhile from a 'reputable' grader. The top right corner is so dented that is missing a small piece of it. There is a deep creasing indent in all four sides, 1 of which is severe on the back. Probably why I got it for only $29

G1911 03-03-2024 01:42 PM

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This one ran $635, which is a rather high price for a T219 Johnson in Good grade and I was hoping to get for a bit less. The green backs are somewhere in the vicinity of 3-5x tougher than the black backs though, and this puts me at 49/50 on them. I only need Willie Lewis with the Honest Long cut Green back and Jack Sullivan with a Miners Extra back before I am down to only some of the Red Cross cards to go. That's going to take decades to finish this 200 card master set....

Note that the T219 adds in his victory over Jeffries into the fight record. A lot of the cards have slight amendments to the text to shorten them a little bit, but only Jeffries and Johnson have additional information added to their cards from the source T218 write-ups. The Joe Jeannette oddly follows the Hassan 30 no series notation back, not the later corrected print runs even though the T219 is 8+ months later in the timeframe.

G1911 03-10-2024 02:51 PM

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Added 2 Coburn's to compete for my beater set I'm building alongside a very nice condition set, the PSA noting an imaginary variation and the GAI not noting the silver. The 1.5 seems awfully generous with those huge creases, the PSA 1 has a tear rather than a crease. I think the GAI is the one for my beater set.

It's been awhile since I've had a GAI slab to crack to open. I'm not a grading fan, but it seems to me the best holders ended up losing the grading battles of the 2000's. GAI took the black frame inserts people like with SGC and added the handy feature where the slip wraps around the top, and tells you the card, set and grade on top of the holder as well as the front, so that in a stack you can quickly pull a specific card out. Kind of surprised nobody later copied this idea. Beckett has the cases built like a tank for more protection, and more detailed grading, but has faded from their initial gains and is a smaller player even in modern now.

G1911 03-15-2024 07:22 PM

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Had to get this one to go with the unique thin copy of the Muldoon I got last month.

wondo 03-16-2024 08:20 AM

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My new favorite boxing card

D. Bergin 03-16-2024 08:42 AM

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My new favorite boxing card


That's a beauty. Wish PSA would have treated as such when they picked out the holder for it.

wondo 03-16-2024 12:24 PM

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That's a beauty. Wish PSA would have treated as such when they picked out the holder for it.

Truth. One of the few times I favor SGC’s holder.

Exhibitman 03-17-2024 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2417026)
This one ran $635, which is a rather high price for a T219 Johnson in Good grade and I was hoping to get for a bit less. The green backs are somewhere in the vicinity of 3-5x tougher than the black backs though, and this puts me at 49/50 on them. I only need Willie Lewis with the Honest Long cut Green back and Jack Sullivan with a Miners Extra back before I am down to only some of the Red Cross cards to go. That's going to take decades to finish this 200 card master set....

Note that the T219 adds in his victory over Jeffries into the fight record. A lot of the cards have slight amendments to the text to shorten them a little bit, but only Jeffries and Johnson have additional information added to their cards from the source T218 write-ups. The Joe Jeannette oddly follows the Hassan 30 no series notation back, not the later corrected print runs even though the T219 is 8+ months later in the timeframe.

Got $8500 sitting around? You can have the Red Cross too.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...orn-expo-more/

G1911 03-17-2024 09:16 PM

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Got $8500 sitting around? You can have the Red Cross too.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...orn-expo-more/

Do I have it sitting around? Yes!

Do I want to spend that much on a single boxing card? Yikes! But maybe! I've come close to that before.

Is this that boxing card? Probably not!

I don't think any of the batch will sell at those prices, but what do I know. I was interested enough to sign up for the early notice on it three years ago and still want it. Who knows which of us will end up with it. I doubt I will, the problem for me is the Johnson only has value to me as a set builder rather than an investment or Jack Johnson piece. It's the last T218/T219/C52 family Johnson I need for the master run. I'm confident David will get a very strong price for it

G1911 03-19-2024 12:19 PM

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On the complete opposite end of the price spectrum, when I see the poster and album cuts cheap I'm grabbing them to go alongside my Ginter boxing set. These two are from the advertising poster. I still need a Jimmy Carroll N28 card to finish the N28/N29's, one will come along soon enough.

Smith was a British champion, Lannon a gatekeeper type. Both were not the scientific type of pugilist, Lannon is probably most known for being one of Sullivan's more frequent partners for staged exhibitions than for any of his real fights.

Exhibitman 03-22-2024 10:44 PM

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...ed%20card.jpeg

Had a good night in Heritage...

G1911 03-28-2024 07:56 PM

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Got a fresh batch of tough C52's, including a boxer and one card I needed, #83 Hoppe. Up to 95 out of the 109 cards for my set, with a large number of duplicates to trade.

G1911 04-06-2024 12:13 PM

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An upgrade for once, even if it's still creased.

G1911 04-18-2024 03:09 PM

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Picked these up recently, Wilson should be a welcome downgrade for my beater set. I don't really see why Wilson and Beecher wouldn't qualify for a number grade, but they'll be cracked out anyways. These slabs are clearly going to damage the cards even more as there is nothing holding them in position and even light handling bounces the card up and down into the top and bottom bars.

Exhibitman 04-18-2024 06:45 PM

If I might mix brands, I don't know why the submitter even bothers to get a bulls**t grade from a horses***t grading service in the first place.

D. Bergin 04-19-2024 11:54 AM

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Picked up these two bout sheets/fight announcements a little while back. Likely unique in their survival (or close to it). They weren't giveaways, but nobody else seemed to have an interest in bidding on them.

No real superstars, but some Champions (self-described and otherwise), and lots of boxers who featured in tobacco sets of the day.

Found the name "Tug Collins" interesting. Wonder if that might have been Tug Wilson, who may have been in the area during that time period, and whose actual given name was "John Collins".

Also: "J. Carrol". Not sure if that's the "Jimmy Carroll" from the N28 A&G Set, or another Jimmy Carroll of that time period.

G1911 04-19-2024 12:12 PM

Looks live it is indeed Jimmy Carroll of the A&G set. Cyber Boxing Zone has that Jimmy Carroll fighting a J.H. O'Neal on October 31st, lining up perfectly. http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/carroll-jimmy.htm

Tug Collins I can't find a photo of. His Boxrec lists only 3 fights, against Duffy twice and Havlin. That's awfully high competition for a guy who never did anything else. https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/64261. Wilson was in the US in 1882, returned to England to fight Mitchell in 1883, but was back in the US again in 1886 at the latest. I suspect this guy might be Tug Wilson.

Those are awesome pieces, Dave

D. Bergin 04-20-2024 08:26 AM

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Looks live it is indeed Jimmy Carroll of the A&G set. Cyber Boxing Zone has that Jimmy Carroll fighting a J.H. O'Neal on October 31st, lining up perfectly. http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/carroll-jimmy.htm

Tug Collins I can't find a photo of. His Boxrec lists only 3 fights, against Duffy twice and Havlin. That's awfully high competition for a guy who never did anything else. https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/64261. Wilson was in the US in 1882, returned to England to fight Mitchell in 1883, but was back in the US again in 1886 at the latest. I suspect this guy might be Tug Wilson.

Those are awesome pieces, Dave


Thanks Greg. My anti-malware on my desktop is deathly afraid of Cyberboxingzone, so I wasn’t able to access Jimmy Carroll’s page there.

Was able to get it through your link on my phone though, so that pretty much settles it. I found it very interesting that Carroll had such a close association with George LaBlanche, who was also on that card.

Cyberboxingzone is great for a lot of fighters from that era and earlier, as they cover a lot of ground that Boxrec doesn’t recognize.They’re also great for tracking exhibition bouts that Boxrec doesn’t list for both newer and older era fighters.

Was bummed I couldn’t access them, and too paranoid of malware to make an exception for it in my program.

Tug was always a bit of an enigma, so wouldn’t be surprised if he was using his other name on occasion, for whatever reason.

G1911 05-03-2024 10:11 PM

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Snagged a couple red backs for $20, which are pretty tough. Unfortunately they were two I had but I upgraded my absolute beaters. Going to be a long time before this set gets finished.

G1911 05-06-2024 02:44 PM

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28/50 down for the T223's. This is the T set I have put the least effort into, as a clone of T220 that does not look as good. I need to rectify this effort and finish it, as the more the research progresses the more I think the separation into T220 and T223 does not really make much sense and they should be catalogued as one series (or Tolstoi should also be broken off also reflecting it's different issue period). With my T220 master set complete, this unfortunate cataloguing situation means I have to get them all.

G1911 05-11-2024 04:45 PM

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And some more silver cardboard while I impatiently wait for my needs to crop up for sale or trade.

Bill77 05-13-2024 12:47 PM

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Cool press photo of Gene Tunney I found on ebay.

D. Bergin 05-13-2024 02:02 PM

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Cool press photo of Gene Tunney I found on ebay.


Damn, that Tuna is more then twice the size of Dempsey.

If Tunney actually caught it on that reel by himself (I'd have to guess he had a little bit of help), I'd imagine it had to be one of the toughest fights of his life....Dempsey and Greb included.

:eek:

G1911 05-13-2024 02:48 PM

Fantastic, that's the coolest photo I've seen in a minute.

D. Bergin 05-15-2024 02:51 PM

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Picked up a Thomas Hearns, Pipino Cuevas, Funk Brothers sticker sheet from Japan. Issued October 1981 by "Gong".

Earliest Hearns issue that I know of....if you want to call it a card. If not.......well..........then no. ;)

Will go with my similar Salvador Sanchez issued a little earlier. Not quite the condition I wanted, but it's a crap shoot when you order these from overseas. There's also an Arguello I'll probably pick up when I see one I like that doesn't cost 30 bucks to ship over.

Not sure if there's any other boxers issued in sticker sheets like this during this time period. I know there's at least a couple other sheets that just have wrestlers on them.

Also came with a neat little retirement booklet for Boxing Hall of Famer, Yoko Gushiken.

psychosem17 05-17-2024 12:38 AM

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John L. Sullivan cabinet and a trimmed cabinet of his manager Billy Madden.

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John L. Sullivan cabinet and a trimmed cabinet of his manager Billy Madden.

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John L. Sullivan cabinet and a trimmed cabinet of his manager Billy Madden.

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G1911 05-18-2024 01:08 PM

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Hopefully some upgrades here for my nice set. Really not a fan of how the cards just bounce all over the place in the older PSA slabs; that cannot be good for preserving condition.

Still trying to positively identify who exactly Glover is with some certainty (thank you to Dave for identifying some possibilities). By random chance of what material survived T220 silver is one of the best documented and evidenced sets of the T/E card explosion in 1909-1912 but we still don't even know who one of the subjects really is. Love boxing-on-the-docks Burke's picture.

Exhibitman 05-19-2024 06:33 AM

The Sanchez is a card; I guess they switched formats later in that year?

ShoeMan 05-19-2024 06:34 AM

1930's Oil Painting
 
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Just got painting back from the framer. My new favorite item!

D. Bergin 05-19-2024 08:54 AM

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The Sanchez is a card; I guess they switched formats later in that year?


There is a sticker that's in a similar format to the Hearns I pictured. Both came out before the Hearns and Sanchez "Gong" cards.

D. Bergin 05-19-2024 08:57 AM

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That's fantastic. Looks like it might be earlier then 1930's. Perhaps French? Maybe an original from a publication cartoon.

What size is it?

ShoeMan 05-19-2024 10:33 AM

Thanks. I can't wait to hang it.
It could be before 1930. It was listed as 1930's. No signature. I wouldn't know how to date it.
It is 4' x 1.5'.

D. Bergin 05-19-2024 10:43 AM

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Thanks. I can't wait to hang it.
It could be before 1930. It was listed as 1930's. No signature. I wouldn't know how to date it.
It is 4' x 1.5'.


There were lots of similar illustrations in French and British boxing and sporting publications in the 1910's and 1920's.

That's a nice size piece you have.

G1911 05-26-2024 09:54 AM

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1 more Dixie Queen off the list, thanks to the board again. Each Dixie Queen addition I get also completes a fighter run of all that boxers front/back combinations in the T220 family, which is a little bit of extra fun.

The border break is not present on the Burdick Collection's DQ Goldman or the one in the TCDB database, so it may or may not be a small recurring print variant. I'm not sure I want to know.

G1911 05-26-2024 08:08 PM

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Kaufman/Kauffman with a tough back makes for 153 out of the 250 cards in T225-1. Doesn't need to be in pretty shape to please.


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