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docpatlv 12-17-2018 06:58 AM

Day 349


1962-65 Jay Publishing (will eventually upgrade)...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...2-65JabPub.jpg

docpatlv 12-17-2018 07:01 AM

Day 350


1967 Dexter Press...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...exterPress.jpg

docpatlv 12-17-2018 07:05 AM

Day 351


1960 World Series Scorecard...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...SScorecard.jpg


1960 Pirates glass...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...tesWSGlass.jpg

docpatlv 12-18-2018 12:42 PM

Day 352


1990s Fleer Framed print...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...ramedPrint.jpg

docpatlv 12-19-2018 11:04 AM

Day 353


2012 Patch and a couple from the 1990s...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...LBPRCPatch.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...rsaryPatch.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...sRCWSPatch.jpg

irv 12-20-2018 08:06 PM

Great stuff, Doc! :)

docpatlv 12-22-2018 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by irv (Post 1838276)
Great stuff, Doc! :)


Thanks a lot Dale!

docpatlv 12-22-2018 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by docpatlv (Post 1757727)
Mike, I want one of those bat fans!!! That has been on my wantlist for quite some time. I actually lost out on one towards the end of last year. In hindsight, I probably should have bid higher as they don't seem to turn up all that often anymore.

Day 75

Similar to the tie that Mike showed the other day, I believe this next item was only given to Pirates front office personnel...

1964 Noble Pirates...

https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...bleLighter.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...eLighterBk.jpg


Day 354


Glad to have added another 1964 Lighter to the collection...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...95CE492E1.jpeg

https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...59979DCCF.jpeg

docpatlv 12-22-2018 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by docpatlv (Post 1809542)


Day 355


Different variation on the ca. 1960s postcard...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...ttsburghPC.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...sburghPCBk.jpg

docpatlv 12-22-2018 07:04 PM

Day 356


2003 Upper Deck bust (Marble version)...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...BustMarble.jpg

docpatlv 12-23-2018 09:22 AM

Day 357


1968 Sports Extra Baseball magazine...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...rtsExtraBB.jpg


1968 Boys Life magazine page...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...gazinePage.jpg

docpatlv 12-25-2018 04:13 PM

Day 358


1973 The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...tGazette_1.jpg

docpatlv 12-25-2018 04:15 PM

Day 359


1973 The Pittsburgh Press...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...burghPress.jpg

docpatlv 12-26-2018 09:03 AM

Day 360


1973 Daily News...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...3E7737765.jpeg

rats60 12-26-2018 09:39 AM

Did none of the Pittsburgh papers do a special edition on January 1 about Roberto's death? I know I have my LA Times that I bought at the time.

docpatlv 12-26-2018 02:10 PM

I don’t think I’ve seen a special edition dedicated to his death.

JollyElm 12-26-2018 03:07 PM

Wow, this thread truly mirrors reality. Untold numbers of pages celebrating Roberto Clemente's career and all of the joy it brought to fans...and then BOOM!!!...a sudden turn of events at the end as he dies trying to help shattered people. So depressing. So realistic.

Empty77 12-26-2018 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyElm (Post 1839729)
Wow, this thread truly mirrors reality. Untold numbers of pages celebrating Roberto Clemente's career and all of the joy it brought to fans...and then BOOM!!!...a sudden turn of events at the end as he dies trying to help shattered people. So depressing. So realistic.

But also uplifting, if one recalls and is able (in some small way at least) to embody the oft-cited sentiment attributed to him: "[if you have the chance to help someone, and you do not make the most of it], you are wasting your time on this Earth."

docpatlv 12-27-2018 08:25 PM

Day 361


1973 Progress Bulletin...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...ssBulletin.jpg

docpatlv 12-28-2018 11:47 AM

Day 362


1970s Team Issued photo (large size), tough issue to find...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...IssueLarge.jpg

docpatlv 12-29-2018 10:35 AM

Day 363


1972 Sportsline Pittsburgh...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...Pittsburgh.jpg

JollyElm 12-29-2018 04:56 PM

The eager crowd waits with great excitement, wondering what the grand finale on Day 365 is going to look like...

quitcrab 12-29-2018 06:58 PM

I am going to thank you in advance for posting all that great Clemente ! Forty Five ? years after his death, and we can all learn from him what it is to show sportsmanship and class on the field and to be a humanitarian off the field. It really sunk home with me when you posted the old newspapers. Such a sad day... I do remember it . I was only 7 but my Dad told me about it. Sad day... Just like when Thurman died tragically. Even at a young age I understood something really good was taken away from all of us. More than a baseball player.

Thanks Again Scott

hcv123 12-29-2018 07:10 PM

Thank you
 
Mike,

Thank you for your dedication to keeping this thread going for 365 days and posting your awesome collection!! I have many more items that were not shown and unfortunately not much time to scan and post them. That said I will try from time to time to add images of some more great Clemente items to keep this thread alive! Happy new year to all!

Howard

docpatlv 12-29-2018 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyElm (Post 1840540)
The eager crowd waits with great excitement, wondering what the grand finale on Day 365 is going to look like...


Please don’t get your hopes up too high, I hope not to end on a dud!

docpatlv 12-29-2018 08:05 PM

Scott & Howard,


Thanks for the kind words. It’s been a long haul, but only a couple of days left.

Also Howard, I know how things can get busy, but whenever you can, I’d love to see more of your collection. Maybe you can help me revive the thread from time to time.

CW 12-30-2018 02:04 AM

Wow, what a great thread to follow all year long and I respect the dedication it took to keep it going -- not only to post every day for a year straight, but to actually have a collection vast enough to share well more than 365 pieces of Clemente related memorabilia. Thanks very much for sharing!

If any player in history is worth such devotion, it is Roberto.

docpatlv 12-30-2018 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CW (Post 1840632)
Wow, what a great thread to follow all year long and I respect the dedication it took to keep it going -- not only to post every day for a year straight, but to actually have a collection vast enough to share well more than 365 pieces of Clemente related memorabilia. Thanks very much for sharing!

If any player in history is worth such devotion, it is Roberto.


Thank you CW!


Day 364


I saved this next item for towards the end, hoping that I would have a chance to have it repainted by someone or even do it myself. But of course I never seemed to find the time to get it done. I have owned it for over twenty years, and thought that maybe it was a prototype. I’m sure that some young kid probably painted it years ago, but I couldn’t find any signs in the chipped areas that white, yellow or black were underneath so I thought maybe it was some type of prototype.

Either way, I’ll probably have it restored because it just doesn’t look right in blue. I’ve only seen 1 or 2 examples of this statue in all the years I’ve collected Clemente. Sorry for the small pic, it’s the only one I have available to post.


1970s Tuscany Studios statue...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...canyStudio.jpg

Empty77 12-30-2018 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hcv123 (Post 1840577)
Mike,

Thank you for your dedication to keeping this thread going for 365 days and posting your awesome collection!! I have many more items that were not shown and unfortunately not much time to scan and post them. That said I will try from time to time to add images of some more great Clemente items to keep this thread alive! Happy new year to all!

Howard

And in addition to owner additions to the thread after day 365, I propose also keeping the thread going by special request...that is, if someone knows of an item that hasn't made the list and doesn't have it themselves but wants to see it again, request it, so someone with it has the kick-start to make the effort to add it, or if there's something maybe you know of only in theory, but have never seen one, request it in the hope that someone has it to contribute (I already have one in mind for this for me).

hcv123 12-30-2018 09:47 PM

Tuscany statue
 
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Super rare statue mike. I too have only seen 1 or 2 others. Here is one with dare I say a different paint job. Also an exhibit display piece with uncut strips including Clemente and Mantle.

Empty - ask away........

docpatlv 12-30-2018 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hcv123 (Post 1840870)
Super rare statue mike. I too have only seen 1 or 2 others. Here is one with dare I say a different paint job. Also an exhibit display piece with uncut strips including Clemente and Mantle.

Empty - ask away........


Great statue Howard! Thanks for sharing

71buc 12-31-2018 12:04 AM

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Mike this has been one of my favorite threads on Net54. Thanks for sharing your amazing collection. That Tuscany statue is awsome. This is the first time I have ever seen one. I saved my most rare piece for this day for obvious reasons. I purchased it a couple of years ago and paid far too much. Nonetheless, it was produced in Venezuela and is the only one I have ever seen. Thanks again for a very fun thread. I hope you and Howard continue adding to it.


Mike

docpatlv 12-31-2018 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 71buc (Post 1840886)
Mike this has been one of my favorite threads on Net54. Thanks for sharing your amazing collection. That Tuscany statue is awsome. This is the first time I have ever seen one. I saved my most rare piece for this day for obvious reasons. I purchased it a couple of years ago and paid far too much. Nonetheless, it was produced in Venezuela and is the only one I have ever seen. Thanks again for a very fun thread. I hope you and Howard continue adding to it.


Mike


Hi Mike, long time, no hear. Thanks for sharing that incredible pennant! Have never seen another. I have overpaid for many things, but if it makes you smile, that’s all that matters.

docpatlv 12-31-2018 10:45 AM

Day 365


Finally made it to 365! Even though this is the end for now, I will definitely revive the thread from time to time, as I continue with the collection. I hope to see more items from Howard, Mike, rats and any others who want to share. I always enjoy seeing rare items, especially items I haven’t seen before.

I want to thank all those who contributed to the thread and for all the kind words along the way. I truly appreciate it and hope you’ve enjoyed the ride.

I started this thread with a painting my neighbor had created for me, gifted to me by my oldest daughter. And, in the hopes of not being anti-climactic, I’m going to end with another painting. While it’s no Kreindler, this was painted by me during my brief (VERY brief) attempt at “creating” Clemente art. I painted it in 2000, the fourth and final Clemente piece I did. The others were mostly laughable, but I thought this one turned out okay. So without further ado, here is my creation...


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...ArtworkMJP.jpg

cardinalcollector 12-31-2018 12:32 PM

Hey Doc, I just want to say thanks for a great thread for the year. I've read every post and looked at every pic, and I don't even collect Clemente.

docpatlv 12-31-2018 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cardinalcollector (Post 1841064)
Hey Doc, I just want to say thanks for a great thread for the year. I've read every post and looked at every pic, and I don't even collect Clemente.


Thanks Randy, much appreciated!

Mark70Z 12-31-2018 04:18 PM

Clemente
 
Mike,

I have very much enjoyed the ride. This past weekend I went through all of the posts “again” and had a nice time in review. Such fine Clemente items being shared with other collectors. Thanks so much for the time spent sharing your collection as well as all of the others who have added their items as well. Made for such an enjoyable year. This was a thread that I looked forward to viewing on a consistent basis; thank you.

By the way I really like your painting. That is a very cool and unique style you have there; keep it up.

I’ll look forward to other items being added periodically as well. Hope you have a wonderful New Year!

JollyElm 12-31-2018 05:38 PM

Slow, building golf clap for Doc's efforts in this thread...turning into a thunderous standing ovation by year's end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well done, sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

docpatlv 12-31-2018 06:14 PM

Thanks Mark & Darren, and thanks for helping breathe life into the thread at times!

hcv123 01-01-2019 02:47 PM

A few more....
 
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One of these I think I may have posted before - the Youth Symphony Album - The rarest of the items ( A ticket and program are the other items) from this one day event.
Next up is the original art from Clemente's only painted Sporting News Cover. Then an uncut 1970 Kellogs sheet with CLemente and A complete corn flakes box from 1970 featuring an image of Clemente on the back.

Empty77 01-01-2019 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hcv123 (Post 1840870)
Empty - ask away........

Hi Howard,

I was about to post my first "image by request" suggestion, then it occurred to me maybe it's already in the thread and I missed or forgotten it--or that others will run into the same problem in scouring 90+ previous pages of material... so I am currently cut/paste building a comprehensive text list of everything here for quicker reference. (I know the site has a basic search function of course, but I've had limited luck searching forum-based sites using keywords, because it's laborious and fraught with various search inconsistencies like spelling idiosyncrasies, etc.).

Anyway, I hope what I'm doing will prove useful to someone and end up being somewhat less onerous than every individual going back over every page one by one looking for an image of one particular item. (I'm about 1/4 finished and figure it will take quite a few more hours.)

71buc 01-01-2019 03:44 PM

That is a great idea and a laborious undertaking! I always thought it would be nice to have a community album for threads like this. Thanks for all the time and effort.

Empty77 01-01-2019 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MCoxon (Post 1760304)
I'm 100% certain PSA did not slab Greiner Tire cards and SGC did, as of Jan. 2017 (I got a SGC 70/5.5 Clemente graded at that time). I think it might have to do with slab size, but not 100% sure. I called PSA and they gave me a reason in a follow-up email, but I now forget the reason

(just to bring this issue to completion)
Yep to the size guess apparently, since the Greiner set just recently hit the pop report, presumably permitted for grading now due to the recent addition of the 8x10 size slab that's been suggested for so long...

Empty77 01-01-2019 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hcv123 (Post 1761787)
So like was suggested I considered - perhaps it was a different Clemente? But, what are the chances? Researched it and couldn't find evidence of another Clemente that played in the Puerto Rican league during those years. Maybe the date was wrong? Maybe, I just didn't know and it it remained a mystery for many years.......until.... Lelands auctioned of a very interesting piece of memorabilia - A questionnaire filled out by Clemente in 1954 - clearly indicating that he played with Santurce as early as 1951!!!! Obviously with no contract and an as yet unassigned uniform number!! Unfortunately I was outbid on the original -but snagged a good jpg to keep with the scorecard - highly likely to be the earliest known Clemente scorecard (for sure the earliest I have ever seen) !

Hi Howard,

(apologies to all for now digging up the older thread entries, but seeing as I'm going through them on by one for my project, new things are surfacing)

So, your '52 scorecard which you acquired 'long ago' seemed earliest to you like you mentioned, which made the description from this 2009 Leland's item seem lame, since they added to the lot title "Earliest Known": https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=48357

But then I came across this 2005 Leland's item which is a '50-51 scorecard and they report references Clemente (though the image file is too small for a proper look to me), which suggests 2 things, 1) that their lot description writers in 2009 weren't doing as much diligence as they could even researching their own records and 2) about his playing in '51, further bolsters the evidence in the questionnaire you captured: https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=22172

(ok, it suggests a third thing too, for your scorecard, but let's not dwell on that)

docpatlv 01-01-2019 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hcv123 (Post 1841409)
One of these I think I may have posted before - the Youth Symphony Album - The rarest of the items ( A ticket and program are the other items) from this one day event.
Next up is the original art from Clemente's only painted Sporting News Cover. Then an uncut 1970 Kellogs sheet with CLemente and A complete corn flakes box from 1970 featuring an image of Clemente on the back.


Howard, love the original artwork. Where did you find that gem?

hcv123 01-02-2019 08:29 AM

Wow!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Empty77 (Post 1841499)
Hi Howard,

(apologies to all for now digging up the older thread entries, but seeing as I'm going through them on by one for my project, new things are surfacing)

So, your '52 scorecard which you acquired 'long ago' seemed earliest to you like you mentioned, which made the description from this 2009 Leland's item seem lame, since they added to the lot title "Earliest Known": https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=48357

But then I came across this 2005 Leland's item which is a '50-51 scorecard and they report references Clemente (though the image file is too small for a proper look to me), which suggests 2 things, 1) that their lot description writers in 2009 weren't doing as much diligence as they could even researching their own records and 2) about his playing in '51, further bolsters the evidence in the questionnaire you captured: https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=22172

(ok, it suggests a third thing too, for your scorecard, but let's not dwell on that)

Awesome research Mike! Don't really care if mine is the "earliest" - great to see a couple of other really early ones out there - no surprises regarding due diligence by AH's - I know a number of times I have consigned, they have relied on me for history/provenance.

Doc - Years ago Mastro had a sale with a whole bunch of the original art for the SN painted covers - I had the Seaver (subsequently sold it) and the Clemente - hanging on my wall!

irv 01-02-2019 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark70Z (Post 1841179)
Mike,

I have very much enjoyed the ride. This past weekend I went through all of the posts “again” and had a nice time in review. Such fine Clemente items being shared with other collectors. Thanks so much for the time spent sharing your collection as well as all of the others who have added their items as well. Made for such an enjoyable year. This was a thread that I looked forward to viewing on a consistent basis; thank you.

By the way I really like your painting. That is a very cool and unique style you have there; keep it up.

I’ll look forward to other items being added periodically as well. Hope you have a wonderful New Year!

Very well said, and my exact sentiments as well.

Thanks, Doc! :)

Empty77 01-05-2019 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 71buc (Post 1841430)
That is a great idea and a laborious undertaking! I always thought it would be nice to have a community album for threads like this. Thanks for all the time and effort.

...about halfway there...

Empty77 01-05-2019 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hcv123 (Post 1781781)
A little more eye candy for all - will not let PSA touch these as they will have to fold (translate as damage) a flap to fit into their holders!! The 1962 box in my master set is the SUPER RARE 20 piece box that fits without folding into PSA's holder - Registration is horribly off, but only 1962, 20 piece box I have ever seen. Will post eventually.

Howard

Hi Howard,

Given your reluctance described above to slab your regular size complete Bazooka boxes, have you reconsidered that lately in light of the new "jumbo" size PSA holders, where I presume they would fit? Or do we even know if that's how they have switched to handling them?

hcv123 01-05-2019 06:05 PM

Will not take the chance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Empty77 (Post 1842722)
Hi Howard,

Given your reluctance described above to slab your regular size complete Bazooka boxes, have you reconsidered that lately in light of the new "jumbo" size PSA holders, where I presume they would fit? Or do we even know if that's how they have switched to handling them?

I will not even get started with all my frustrations with PSA - they are adequately expressed in numerous other threads. I and most who look at the boxes know exactly what they are AND how nice they are - don't need a 3rd party opinion for me. They also seem to have a different grading scale for the bazooka boxes - as I have submitted some nrmt-mt 20 piece boxes that have come back with grades between 4 and 5 - a complete joke.
Further, I suspect till someone points out to them that the boxes might fit with unfolded flaps into the larger holder, they would continue to put them in the smaller holders! That said, I expect to see (and ultimately submit) some additional larger items (mostly team issued stuff that they will likely mislabel if they choose to holder them at all).


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