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bocca001 06-10-2025 11:13 AM

Yeah, two guys, but hard to know how many would have been in the $1,000-$2,000 plus range if those two did not get there first.

I know it is a rare Raiders pennant, but it is such a common design for a football pennant. Price seems crazy.

perezfan 06-10-2025 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2521048)
Yeah, two guys, but hard to know how many would have been in the $1,000-$2,000 plus range if those two did not get there first.

I know it is a rare Raiders pennant, but it is such a common design for a football pennant. Price seems crazy.

Agree. Very likely that a few "would be" bids did not even register. Crazy price, but if you're an advanced Raider collector it may represent the only void in your collection.

Dr orange 06-10-2025 02:53 PM

How rare are these?
 
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Hey everyone. So I am cleaning out my parent's old stuff now, and have come across these five vintage baseball pennants. (see pictures)

Trying to determine if any of these are rare / high value. I have done some online research, but not an expert so getting some conflicting information.

San Francisco Giants: I have only seen two pictures of this design online. value was $85 for one and $150 for other.

Baltimore Orioles: Lots of examples with bird batting, but only found one example with the bird pitching like this, and with the stadium. that one was $140ish.

Kansas City Athletics: I cannot find any pictures or examples of this design online. Plenty with a batting elephant, but the elephant is on all fours with bat in his trunk, no examples anthropomorphized in uniform.

Pittsburgh Pirates: This one seems common, but still seeing values from $25 to $100, which is a wide range.

New York Yankees: Only found one example of this style, bat and crown, and it was on an auctioneers site that required signing up to get more information. I know the Yankees are popular, so if unusual this would be worth something.

I figured a specialty forum would have people in the know, who could tell me some more information on these. Trying to figure out how worth it it would be to start an Ebay account and become a seller, just for these five items.

Any advice or knowledge will be most appreciated. Thank You in advance.

Hankphenom 06-10-2025 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2521048)
Yeah, two guys, but hard to know how many would have been in the $1,000-$2,000 plus range if those two did not get there first.
I know it is a rare Raiders pennant, but it is such a common design for a football pennant. Price seems crazy.

Yes, but...how many times have we seen "crazy" prices become the new normal for something? Maybe this will draw out another one and we can get a better idea.

ooo-ribay 06-10-2025 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr orange (Post 2521064)
Hey everyone. So I am cleaning out my parent's old stuff now, and have come across these five vintage baseball pennants. (see pictures)

Trying to determine if any of these are rare / high value. I have done some online research, but not an expert so getting some conflicting information.

San Francisco Giants: I have only seen two pictures of this design online. value was $85 for one and $150 for other.

Baltimore Orioles: Lots of examples with bird batting, but only found one example with the bird pitching like this, and with the stadium. that one was $140ish.

Kansas City Athletics: I cannot find any pictures or examples of this design online. Plenty with a batting elephant, but the elephant is on all fours with bat in his trunk, no examples anthropomorphized in uniform.

Pittsburgh Pirates: This one seems common, but still seeing values from $25 to $100, which is a wide range.

New York Yankees: Only found one example of this style, bat and crown, and it was on an auctioneers site that required signing up to get more information. I know the Yankees are popular, so if unusual this would be worth something.

I figured a specialty forum would have people in the know, who could tell me some more information on these. Trying to figure out how worth it it would be to start an Ebay account and become a seller, just for these five items.

Any advice or knowledge will be most appreciated. Thank You in advance.

None of those pennants are going to make you rich, I don’t think, but they are all beautiful examples from the “golden age” of the 1960’s. I collect Giants stuff and can tell you the Giant on the bridge is not rare. I think $85 is more realistic than $150. All your pennants were made by Trench and marketed by Sports Specialties. See the “baseball” on all of them? That’s actually an SS for Sports Specialties. All your pennants look to be in great shape and have great color. I don’t think I’ve seen the A’s or Orioles before. Those MIGHT be more rare than the Giants. I really don’t know. Just guessing, I think all are 100ish dollar pennants.

thetahat 06-10-2025 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr orange (Post 2521064)
Hey everyone. So I am cleaning out my parent's old stuff now, and have come across these five vintage baseball pennants. (see pictures)

Trying to determine if any of these are rare / high value. I have done some online research, but not an expert so getting some conflicting information.

San Francisco Giants: I have only seen two pictures of this design online. value was $85 for one and $150 for other.

Baltimore Orioles: Lots of examples with bird batting, but only found one example with the bird pitching like this, and with the stadium. that one was $140ish.

Kansas City Athletics: I cannot find any pictures or examples of this design online. Plenty with a batting elephant, but the elephant is on all fours with bat in his trunk, no examples anthropomorphized in uniform.

Pittsburgh Pirates: This one seems common, but still seeing values from $25 to $100, which is a wide range.

New York Yankees: Only found one example of this style, bat and crown, and it was on an auctioneers site that required signing up to get more information. I know the Yankees are popular, so if unusual this would be worth something.

I figured a specialty forum would have people in the know, who could tell me some more information on these. Trying to figure out how worth it it would be to start an Ebay account and become a seller, just for these five items.

Any advice or knowledge will be most appreciated. Thank You in advance.

Both supply and demand for vintage pennants is relatively low, certainly too low to establish reliable “market values”. If I had to estimate an “over/under” for each, in an eBay auction, I’d say $35 Pirates, $40 Orioles, $45 Giants, $75 Yankees, $90 Athletics. Large margin of error for each.

If you listed “for sale” and didn’t mind waiting, you could eventually get a little more for each, including $125-150 for the Athletics. That’s a great looking pennant.

ooo-ribay 06-10-2025 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2521100)
Both supply and demand for vintage pennants is relatively low, certainly too low to establish reliable “market values”. If I had to estimate an “over/under” for each, in an eBay auction, I’d say $35 Pirates, $40 Orioles, $45 Giants, $75 Yankees, $90 Athletics. Large margin of error for each.

If you listed “for sale” and didn’t mind waiting, you could eventually get a little more for each, including $125-150 for the Athletics. That’s a great looking pennant.

You’re probably right. These are beautiful pennants but there’s a lot of them out there.

Dr orange 06-10-2025 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2521104)
You’re probably right. These are beautiful pennants but there’s a lot of them out there.

Thank you for the information!

Dr orange 06-10-2025 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2521100)
Both supply and demand for vintage pennants is relatively low, certainly too low to establish reliable “market values”. If I had to estimate an “over/under” for each, in an eBay auction, I’d say $35 Pirates, $40 Orioles, $45 Giants, $75 Yankees, $90 Athletics. Large margin of error for each.

If you listed “for sale” and didn’t mind waiting, you could eventually get a little more for each, including $125-150 for the Athletics. That’s a great looking pennant.

Thank you. are you recommending 'for sale' on this site, or Ebay?

perezfan 06-10-2025 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr orange (Post 2521147)
Thank you. are you recommending 'for sale' on this site, or Ebay?

Try it here first...

As a seller, you would pay no fees to eBay or PayPal.

As buyers, we can avoid the sales tax.

A win-win and worth a try.

perezfan 06-10-2025 11:21 PM

nm

Dr orange 06-10-2025 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2521151)
Try it here first...

As a seller, you would pay no fees to eBay or PayPal.

As buyers, we can avoid the sales tax.

A win-win and worth a try.

will do. thanks

Fballguy 06-11-2025 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom (Post 2521080)
Yes, but...how many times have we seen "crazy" prices become the new normal for something? Maybe this will draw out another one and we can get a better idea.

I know someone that was going to snipe $2500 but never got the chance because the price shot past that number before he could submit. So the next one would potentially sell for that. If I'm shelling out $2K+ I want it to be for something I've never seen before...or maybe just once. Otherwise, I'll lie in wait for someone to make a mistake...like so many others do these days.

Fballguy 06-11-2025 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr orange (Post 2521147)
Thank you. are you recommending 'for sale' on this site, or Ebay?

Facebook has a couple pennant groups, each with a few thousand members. You'd probably have more luck there...and also no fees to contend with.

Hankphenom 06-11-2025 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2521183)
I know someone that was going to snipe $2500 but never got the chance because the price shot past that number before he could submit. So the next one would potentially sell for that. If I'm shelling out $2K+ I want it to be for something I've never seen before...or maybe just once. Otherwise, I'll lie in wait for someone to make a mistake...like so many others do these days.

Sometimes you have to walk away, and there can be great strength in that.

pbspelly 06-11-2025 11:59 AM

seems pretty steep
 
I've been looking for one of these, but the price seems very high. Is this really the going rate for one of these?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/26728475831...3Avlp_homepage

perezfan 06-11-2025 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pbspelly (Post 2521227)
I've been looking for one of these, but the price seems very high. Is this really the going rate for one of these?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/26728475831...3Avlp_homepage

Do not pay that amount. I got mine for $400 (in equally nice condition) about a decade ago. It might be worth up to $600 or so these days, and I personally would wait for another one to come along. They are pretty rare, but 3 - 4 of them will typically surface in a year's time.

Best of luck!

Dr orange 06-11-2025 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2521184)
Facebook has a couple pennant groups, each with a few thousand members. You'd probably have more luck there...and also no fees to contend with.

OK thanks. I will look into that. I really want a good price, of course, but I also am trying to make this easy for me. Not making this a lifetime process.

ser1979 06-11-2025 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pbspelly (Post 2521227)
I've been looking for one of these, but the price seems very high. Is this really the going rate for one of these?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/26728475831...3Avlp_homepage


Paul,

I just sold the pennant I had a few weekends ago at a show in Detroit to a dealer. I let mine go for $450 which is know is a little low, but I also knew the guy buying it so I cut him a deal.

pbspelly 06-12-2025 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2521231)
Do not pay that amount. I got mine for $400 (in equally nice condition) about a decade ago. It might be worth up to $600 or so these days, and I personally would wait for another one to come along. They are pretty rare, but 3 - 4 of them will typically surface in a year's time.

Best of luck!

Thanks!

pbspelly 06-12-2025 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ser1979 (Post 2521327)
Paul,

I just sold the pennant I had a few weekends ago at a show in Detroit to a dealer. I let mine go for $450 which is know is a little low, but I also knew the guy buying it so I cut him a deal.

Appreciate the info - Paul

Huck 06-12-2025 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr orange (Post 2521064)
Hey everyone. So I am cleaning out my parent's old stuff now, and have come across these five vintage baseball pennants. (see pictures)

Trying to determine if any of these are rare / high value. I have done some online research, but not an expert so getting some conflicting information.

San Francisco Giants: I have only seen two pictures of this design online. value was $85 for one and $150 for other.

Baltimore Orioles: Lots of examples with bird batting, but only found one example with the bird pitching like this, and with the stadium. that one was $140ish.

Kansas City Athletics: I cannot find any pictures or examples of this design online. Plenty with a batting elephant, but the elephant is on all fours with bat in his trunk, no examples anthropomorphized in uniform.

Pittsburgh Pirates: This one seems common, but still seeing values from $25 to $100, which is a wide range.

New York Yankees: Only found one example of this style, bat and crown, and it was on an auctioneers site that required signing up to get more information. I know the Yankees are popular, so if unusual this would be worth something.

I figured a specialty forum would have people in the know, who could tell me some more information on these. Trying to figure out how worth it it would be to start an Ebay account and become a seller, just for these five items.

Any advice or knowledge will be most appreciated. Thank You in advance.

Are the pennants full size?

Dr orange 06-12-2025 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Huck (Post 2521536)
Are the pennants full size?

They are 29 inches across.

ooo-ribay 06-20-2025 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 2519086)
Yup, here too, I'm in agreement with Rob. Painting over it may just be your best bet.

I bought this 1959 WS champs pennant a few weeks ago. A previous owner (perhaps the 9-year-old kid that took it home from the Coliseum in 1960) doctored the artwork by outlining the stadium in black marker (and, enhancing three other secondary colors).

I tried to remove the black ink by rubbing a Q-tip soaked in rubbing alcohol over the black ink, which sat entirely atop the white underbase that Trench screened on to the pennant. Results were mixed. Yes, it gradually removed some of the black ink; and, it did not harm the white underbase at all. Problem was the red dye that the felt was made of: it had become very unstable over the years, and the alcohol was causing more of its removal than the black ink. So I quit.

And turned to Plan "B." Sharpie makes a product called a "paint pen." And, they sell one in white. It's basically a felt-tipped marker that permits a heavy paint (not ink) dispersion. The paint is oil based, which means it's opaque enough to mask the black ink I was trying to cover. At the same time, the paint wasn't so thin that it ran all over the place, ruining the art.

This was what I used: https://www.amazon.com/Sharpie-Oil-B...IMS99GTX&gQT=1

After four coats, leaving 20 minutes of drying time between applications, I was very pleased with the result....

Anyway, try the rubbing alcohol method first. It can't hurt the white underbase. If it works, awesome. If not, consider the paint pen method?

Amazing work but I gotta figure perezfan broke into a sweat when seeing your efforts.

Domer05 06-22-2025 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2522991)
Amazing work but I gotta figure perezfan broke into a sweat when seeing your efforts.

He needn't worry. It's now part of my permanent collection. ;)

I only modified it because it had previously been doctored; and, I couldn't remove the prior owner's alterations. Painting over them was the only option; and the goal was simply to make it display-able again.

Regardless, it's re-sale value is nil. And I intend to keep it that way: it's now on permanent display in my garage. With two tacks in it. Just as it's maker intended.

ooo-ribay 06-23-2025 06:07 AM

Very good points, Kyle. Two (perezfan) negatives equal a positive.

Just two tacks? :p

thetahat 06-28-2025 08:53 AM

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I’d post this under “Hey, pillowcase guys” but this has enough in common with pennants … in fact it seems as if Trench made this. The lettering in “Souvenir” is the sign, and of course the stadium graphic. 20” by 20”.

Any Indians collectors know anything more about these? A search reveals a few different colored versions, including one with pink fringe. Some like mine have a Browns pennant graphic (bottom left), dating to no later than 1953; have seen one with an Orioles pennant.

Hankphenom 06-28-2025 10:37 AM

My 1924 Washington Pillowcase
 
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Decorative pillowcases were a popular item for a while in the last century, but haven't seen too many baseball.

ooo-ribay 06-29-2025 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2524682)
I’d post this under “Hey, pillowcase guys” but this has enough in common with pennants … in fact it seems as if Trench made this. The lettering in “Souvenir” is the sign, and of course the stadium graphic. 20” by 20”.

Any Indians collectors know anything more about these? A search reveals a few different colored versions, including one with pink fringe. Some like mine have a Browns pennant graphic (bottom left), dating to no later than 1953; have seen one with an Orioles pennant.

That's awesome Greg. Love the stadium and Wahoo graphics.

One thing that bugs me and probably only me: either "unfurl" the surrounding pennants if you want to show full names (e.g. SENATORS) or show them "furled" with SENORS, YANES, etc. :p

thetahat 06-30-2025 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2524941)
That's awesome Greg. Love the stadium and Wahoo graphics.

One thing that bugs me and probably only me: either "unfurl" the surrounding pennants if you want to show full names (e.g. SENATORS) or show them "furled" with SENORS, YANES, etc. :p

Or … the GITS?

ooo-ribay 06-30-2025 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2525021)
or … the gits?

exaly!

UKCardGuy 07-03-2025 12:18 PM

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I came across this ad in a 1969 NLCS program (Braves vs Mets).

Not the rarest pennant in the picture, but I always enjoy seeing photos of pennants from when they were issued.

perezfan 07-03-2025 06:21 PM

LOVE that image. Great 1960s style!

ooo-ribay 07-03-2025 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2525633)
LOVE that image. Great 1960s style!

Wonder how they got the “waves” in the pennants. That ain’t natural.

thetahat 07-04-2025 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2525646)
Wonder how they got the “waves” in the pennants. That ain’t natural.

Also note that these don’t have the 1969 MLB trademark.

thetahat 07-04-2025 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2525646)
Wonder how they got the “waves” in the pennants. That ain’t natural.

duplicate post

perezfan 07-04-2025 04:43 PM

I have a few w/o the trademark. The Braves kept that design for a while and it came both ways.

UKCardGuy 07-06-2025 05:33 AM

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It seems slim picking for pennants recently, but I've managed to find a few new arrivals. Satchel has some condition issues but as rare as it is, I didn't want to miss it.

ooo-ribay 07-06-2025 09:15 AM

Great stuff, Gary! Satchel really isn’t all that bad.

thetahat 07-06-2025 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2525934)
It seems slim picking for pennants recently, but I've managed to find a few new arrivals. Satchel has some condition issues but as rare as it is, I didn't want to miss it.

Agree, good stuff. Especially like the White Sox. Picture pennants are greatly underappreciated IMO. Especially those from 1960-61. Note the flocked print on yours. Trench did that only for a year or two.

Fballguy 07-06-2025 12:24 PM

Excellent haul...especially considering how dry the pennant scene has been as of late. The Paige pennant wouldn't barely register with me as having condition issues. If it's not ripped, stained or written on...it's just patina.

perezfan 07-06-2025 01:03 PM

Agree... that's a very nice Paige, and you'd have been crazy to let it go (given the rarity and historical importance). Those are pretty minor condition issues in the scheme of things.

Awesome haul.... cannot believe how much quality vintage pennants have dried up, vs. years past. If not for a Reds pennant my friend Sean recently found for me, it's been 7-8 months since I've found one worth buying. My longest drought in past 30 years! :eek:

ooo-ribay 07-06-2025 02:35 PM

Our buddy in the UK is killing it! :p

UKCardGuy 07-06-2025 02:59 PM

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Thanks guys. Trying to find bargains where I can.

The 1978 ASG was really dirty and I bought it on the hope that I could clean it. It took a bit of soaking (and a little bleach) but it turned out rather nice.

This is the before and after.

Vintagedeputy 07-06-2025 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2525997)
Thanks guys. Trying to find bargains where I can.

The 1978 ASG was really dirty and I bought it on the hope that I could clean it. It took a bit of soaking (and a little bleach) but it turned out rather nice.

This is the before and after.

Looks like mine!

perezfan 07-06-2025 05:41 PM

Nice result. Gotta love the original Swingin' Friar!

WillowGrove 07-06-2025 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2525934)
It seems slim picking for pennants recently, but I've managed to find a few new arrivals. Satchel has some condition issues but as rare as it is, I didn't want to miss it.

Nice haul! Quick side question on the 1968 Tigers Roster...who are Hand and Behm? Thanks for any thoughts.

bobw 07-06-2025 08:38 PM

Bill Behm and John Hand were the trainers.

Vintagedeputy 07-06-2025 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by WillowGrove (Post 2526040)
Nice haul! Quick side question on the 1968 Tigers Roster...who are Hand and Behm? Thanks for any thoughts.

Behm was the Tigers’ trainer.

WillowGrove 07-07-2025 06:06 PM

Aaaaaand closure!

Thanks for the info guys.


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