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perezfan 10-03-2025 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sayheykid54 (Post 2541874)
I personally framed the Detroit Tigers Banner. Felt that framing it vertically with the "World Champs" on the top would display better.

Yes, you definitely positioned it the right way and I like the pale orange mat, which compliments it very well.

Question...

Did you somehow adhere the Banner to the mat? Or does the pressure from the backing adequately hold the banner against the glass without it slipping.

Thanks!

perezfan 10-03-2025 01:30 PM

duplicate post

sayheykid54 10-04-2025 06:16 AM

We assembled the Banner in the frame using only the pressure from the front glass. Didn't want to use any tape or pin of any kind. I realize over time it might slip down in the frame over time and would have to be repositioned.

sayheykid54 10-04-2025 06:16 AM

We assembled the Banner in the frame using only the pressure from the front glass. Didn't want to use any tape or pin of any kind. I realize over time it might slip down in the frame over time and would have to be repositioned.

perezfan 10-04-2025 01:52 PM

Definitely the best way to do it..... Great job!

Duluth Eskimo 10-05-2025 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sayheykid54 (Post 2541584)
I was fortunate to purchase this in my local area. Glad to add it to my collection. https://i.postimg.cc/ZYHMTdkj/IMG-7388.jpg

I’ve never seen this variation. Awesome piece

thetahat 10-10-2025 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sayheykid54 (Post 2541584)
I was fortunate to purchase this in my local area. Glad to add it to my collection. https://i.postimg.cc/ZYHMTdkj/IMG-7388.jpg

The 1935 “pennant version” of this (currently for sale on eBay at a very high price) is the oldest of which I am aware showing a scroll or list of player names. The 1934 WS Tigers has a starting lineup (which was never used). Does anyone know an older pennant with a partial or full roster?

rlevy 10-11-2025 09:08 AM

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I have been searching for a vintage Dodgers flag (burgee) and finally found one. It is rather large (over 8’ x 5’), and was supposedly flown during the 1967 season at some point. Kyle’s great blog regarding these burgees does show several other years of Dodgers burgees flying at the Stadium, however I have been unable to locate 1967 home opening day photos or any other ones showing the centerfield flags (or the Dodgers posing with the burgee as they sometimes did before the WS) and was hoping maybe someone on the forum might have one.
The closest I could find was a drawing in an ad on the inside of the back cover of the 1967 yearbook which clearly doesn't qualify as a photomatch :).

I did confirm that the tagging is correct for the period as the manufacturer added an eagle to their logo in the late 1960’s. It certainly wasn’t the best World Series for the Dodgers as they were swept by the Orioles, and Koufax subsequently retired at the end of the season, which may account for the lack of interest in hoisting it up.

For those of us old enough to remember, there was actually a time when winning the league pennant was a big deal. Now, if you don’t win the World Series the season is considered a bust.

Rick

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ooo-ribay 10-11-2025 10:25 AM

Awesome piece, Rick! I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the Net54 detectives can find you a photomatch…..that’s how I was able to pinpoint a bunting I just posted in the “large items” thread to the first game ever at Candlestick.

rlevy 10-11-2025 11:10 AM

Rob, great idea, I will cross post over in that thread. Can't hurt to have more eyes trying to hunt it down. Your banners are amazing. Is that acrylic you have over the large ones?

Rick

ooo-ribay 10-11-2025 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rlevy (Post 2543329)
Rob, great idea, I will cross post over in that thread. Can't hurt to have more eyes trying to hunt it down. Your banners are amazing. Is that acrylic you have over the large ones?

Rick

Yes, plexi/acrylic, whatever you want to call it. In our old house, the Wrigley flag was on the ceiling.

thetahat 10-11-2025 09:56 PM

I hope no one here bought this. Fugazi

https://ebay.us/m/8Ebixt

Domer05 10-12-2025 05:55 PM

Not I....

What's off on it? :confused:

thetahat 10-12-2025 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 2543660)
Not I....

What's off on it? :confused:

The real ones were cloth, not felt, and the graphics are a bit off. The screen has a rubberized look to it. Also the spine is sewn shut on both ends, you can’t slide a dowel in. Whoever tried to fake these did a decent job but left enough clues to identify it as a copy.

thetahat 10-12-2025 06:22 PM

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Vintage version … subtle differences in scroll and printing near 1955

Fballguy 10-13-2025 02:29 PM

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Haven't found much worth buying lately so my itchy trigger finger got the best of me and I impulsively bought this beast. About 5 feet long. Has some age to it...and it was cheap. Figured I'd at least add it to my "Why the F did I buy this pile".

But imagine my surprise and excitment when I was able to photo match the banner to the Juice's record breaking 1968 Heisman Trophy winning season!

Yes...It's great to be a Trojan...But sometimes it's just better to be lucky.

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ooo-ribay 10-13-2025 02:56 PM

That is awesome!

“It’s great to have a whole slew of high priced lawyers!”

doug.goodman 10-13-2025 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2543867)
That is awesome!

Awesome to get OJ in his garage...

ooo-ribay 10-14-2025 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by doug.goodman (Post 2543913)
Awesome to get OJ in his garage...

Hide the knives!

UKCardGuy 10-14-2025 05:18 PM

Grommet pennants - new find!
 
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I don't have it in hand yet but I have discovered a new version of the Grommet pennant series. It's 1914 Champions but the Boston Bees rather than the Boston Braves.

I think this helps to prove Greg's hypothesis in post #9366 that the Grommet "Champions" pennants were produced for the HoF museum opening in 1939.

As you'll be aware, the Braves changed their name to the Bees for a few years between 1936-1940. So it seems that the standard was to use the then current name of the teams on the pennant. That's why this pennant reads Bees instead of Braves. It's also why the 1920 pennant features the Dodgers rather than the "Robins" as they were known in 1920.

Considering that there are "Champions" pennants with dates including 1914, 1920, 1936 and 1939, I think it helps to establish the pennants are from 1939.

In 1939 these were the players inducted (including those from the veteran's committee):
  • Ty Cobb (Tigers, Athletics)
  • Walter Johnson (Senators)
  • Christy Mathewson (Giants)
  • Honus Wagner (Pirates)
  • Babe Ruth (Yankees)
  • Nap Lajoie (Indians)
  • Tris Speaker (Red Sox, Indians, Senators, Athletics)
  • Cy Young (Spiders/Indians, Cardinals, Red Sox, Braves)
  • George Wright (Red Sox, Braves, Providence Greys)
  • Grover Alexander (Phillies, Cubs, Cardinals)
  • Eddie Collins (Athletics, White Sox)
  • Willie Keeler (Giants, Dodgers, Orioles, Yankees)
  • George Sisler (Browns, Senators, Braves)
  • Cap Anson (Rockford Forest, Athletics, Cubs)
  • Buck Ewing (Troy Trojans, Giants, Spiders/Indians, Reds)
  • Candy Cummings (Reds, NY Mutuals, Baltimore Canaries, Hartford Dark Blues))
  • Charles Radbourn (Providence Greys, Braves, Red Sox, Reds)

It seems possible that the pennants were celebrating the last world series appearance for the teams that the inductees played with. e.g. 1936 Yankees (Ruth) and Giants; 1920 Indians (Tris Speaker) and Dodgers (Keeler);

So far these are the known Champions Grommet pennants:

1914 Bees
1915 Phillies
1918 Red Sox
1919 White Sox
1920 Dodgers
1920 Indians
1933 Senators
1935 Tigers
1936 Yankees
1936 Giants

There are Grommet pennants for the Cardinals and Browns but those aren't Champions versions. I'm going on the assumption that they only produced pennants for teams that were in the MLB at the time - so no Providence Greys, Troy Trojans or Hartford Dark Blues. All of this implies that Championship grommet pennants might exist for the Pirates, Athletics, Reds, Cardinals, Browns and Cubs,

Going one step further, I wonder if the players on some of the pennants are based on the HoF inductees. Is the player on the Yankees pennant meant to be Babe Ruth? Doesn't the player on the Senators pennant resemble this photo of Walter Johnson? Doesn't the player on my Braves/Bees pennant look a lot like George Sisler?

thetahat 10-14-2025 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2544113)
I don't have it in hand yet but I have discovered a new version of the Grommet pennant series. It's 1914 Champions but the Boston Bees rather than the Boston Braves.

I think this helps to prove Greg's hypothesis in post #9366 that the Grommet "Champions" pennants were produced for the HoF museum opening in 1939.

As you'll be aware, the Braves changed their name to the Bees for a few years between 1936-1940. So it seems that the standard was to use the then current name of the teams on the pennant. That's why this pennant reads Bees instead of Braves. It's also why the 1920 pennant features the Dodgers rather than the "Robins" as they were known in 1920.

Considering that there are "Champions" pennants with dates including 1914, 1920, 1936 and 1939, I think it helps to establish the pennants are from 1939.

In 1939 these were the players inducted (including those from the veteran's committee):
  • Ty Cobb (Tigers, Athletics)
  • Walter Johnson (Senators)
  • Christy Mathewson (Giants)
  • Honus Wagner (Pirates)
  • Babe Ruth (Yankees)
  • Nap Lajoie (Indians)
  • Tris Speaker (Red Sox, Indians, Senators, Athletics)
  • Cy Young (Spiders/Indians, Cardinals, Red Sox, Braves)
  • George Wright (Red Sox, Braves, Providence Greys)
  • Grover Alexander (Phillies, Cubs, Cardinals)
  • Eddie Collins (Athletics, White Sox)
  • Willie Keeler (Giants, Dodgers, Orioles, Yankees)
  • George Sisler (Browns, Senators, Braves)
  • Cap Anson (Rockford Forest, Athletics, Cubs)
  • Buck Ewing (Troy Trojans, Giants, Spiders/Indians, Reds)
  • Candy Cummings (Reds, NY Mutuals, Baltimore Canaries, Hartford Dark Blues))
  • Charles Radbourn (Providence Greys, Braves, Red Sox, Reds)

It seems possible that the pennants were celebrating the last world series appearance for the teams that the inductees played with. e.g. 1936 Yankees (Ruth) and Giants; 1920 Indians (Tris Speaker) and Dodgers (Keeler);

So far these are the known Champions Grommet pennants:

1914 Bees
1915 Phillies
1918 Red Sox
1919 White Sox
1920 Dodgers
1920 Indians
1933 Senators
1935 Tigers
1936 Yankees
1936 Giants

There are Grommet pennants for the Cardinals and Browns but those aren't Champions versions. I'm going on the assumption that they only produced pennants for teams that were in the MLB at the time - so no Providence Greys, Troy Trojans or Hartford Dark Blues. All of this implies that Championship grommet pennants might exist for the Pirates, Athletics, Reds, Cardinals, Browns and Cubs,

Going one step further, I wonder if the players on some of the pennants are based on the HoF inductees. Is the player on the Yankees pennant meant to be Babe Ruth? Doesn't the player on the Senators pennant resemble this photo of Walter Johnson? Doesn't the player on my Braves/Bees pennant look a lot like George Sisler?

Gary … wow that’s still a super cool pennant, it may not be 1914 but still 85+ years old and great condition. And yes it does provide a major clue to solving the mystery.

I have seen a Championship grommet Athletics and I am pretty sure I’ve seen a Pirates.

Hankphenom 10-14-2025 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2544113)
Going one step further, I wonder if the players on some of the pennants are based on the HoF inductees. Is the player on the Yankees pennant meant to be Babe Ruth? Doesn't the player on the Senators pennant resemble this photo of Walter Johnson? Doesn't the player on my Braves/Bees pennant look a lot like George Sisler?

Can you provide a picture of the '33 Senators? Thanks.


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