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Great pennant, Jim! Super tough to find one in nice condition like that. Gotta love the classic Swingin' Friar!
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From the VFC football board. See below about whether or not there may be pennants for the football Pirates (pre-Steelers). The logos don't exactly match (the coats and the pennant pictured), but they have clear similarities. My thought was that this Pirates pennant is way too common to be very early NFL (at least I think it is a pretty common pennant... could be wrong). I also did not think that this pennant was old enough (1930s). But maybe there is a Pirates football pennant out there with this logo? Anyone have a candidate? Or maybe this one really could be football?
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The two logos aren't even a match. Different hats.
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That's a great pennant Greg. Here's my 1938 Cardinals grommet. As Mike and Frank on American Pickers might say "It's well aged but it has great patina" :)
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As this is a buy it now listing, I don't think I'm in danger of outing an auction. In case you guys haven't seen it there's a pretty rare St Louis Cardinals pennant in great condition on Ebay
I don't know the seller and he's asking what seems to be a crazy high price but I thought I'd put it up here in case it's in your wheelhouse. https://www.ebay.com/itm/177513266678 |
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Since we’re talking about auctions, I wanted to ask the group an opinion on something. Once again, I’m following an auction with some great vintage pennants and once again I am perplexed by the auction strategies of others. Now I understand there are people who may be headed out of town, or on a cruise or somehow tied up when an auction is due to end and they’re not able to bid, but for the life of me, I can’t understand why people continue to bid items up over the course of an auction. Is it a pride thing that you have to have the highest bid currently? If I see an item, I’m interested in, I make sure that I know when it ends and in the remaining seconds, I fire off my absolutely best bid. Usually that seems to work for me, but I can’t understand why people will jack up the price prematurely. Am I missing something? |
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Does it really drive up the selling price if these bids we are talking about are nowhere near where the auction is likely to end? I guess I'm not convinced that any of this really ends up impacting the final price unless something falls through the cracks (i.e., is not seen by the people really willing to pay more). The final price is only determined by the last two (two highest) bidders. If five bidders are bidding in the hundreds for a few days on an item and then Mark and I come in bidding in the thousands, those earlier bids are immaterial. If I bid $900 on a T206 Wagner, am I really running up the price?
Like Mark said, I'll sometimes put in a bid on something that is likely to go higher because that bid is the highest I can go. Those bids rarely ever win and I know it, but I have had them win in the past. When I did not win, I don't see myself as having run up the price, especially when the final price is a good bit higher. |
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I believe a popular resellers tactic for years was to put a Max Bid in as soon as the auction opened at 3/4 of the items value or whatever the resellers thought made sense to flip the item. And did it to hundreds of lots. If they won a few, Win. If they lost them all, it cost them half an hour of clicking and zero dollars. 90% of auctions I feel like that's what I'm bidding against.
I guess in theory constantly bidding and instantly being out bid for 10 bids straight might scare some people off. At least that's what I assume they think. |
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I much muuuuuch prefer this to an old lady bringing 100 grand in cards to a dealers booth and they buy everything for 500 bucks. |
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For me, it's like Mark said. It has to be near the max of what I would pay. In this type of scenario, I don't keep increasing a small bid once someone passes me. And, yes, it's like getting something that falls through the cracks. I don't use any kind of automated sniping service and I can been too busy to watch items like this when they are closing. So I don't necessarily wait until the last minute to bid. But I don't really see it as running up the cost. It is what I am willing to pay.
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Some people bid their max up front, most people wait until the extended bidding. Personally, I like to put bids in when the auction opens to ensure that I able to bid in extended bidding. Then for items that I'm most focused on, I might put in a bid at about 1/2 of my max to gauge interest in the lot. If I'm outbid quickly and with several other bidders I know that I might have a battle. If there are other items in the auction that I want, then I might have to change my focus to those. I like to think that this gives me some insight about how keenly other people are bidding on that lot. I don't think it's very scientific and I'm probably just deluding myself. Ultimately, it only takes one other bidder on the night to drive the price up higher than I can afford. |
I’m sure auction house vs. eBay “strategies” are different. Usually with auction houses, I’m blown out of the water early and give up. Que sera sera. I usually only bid in the hope they continue to send me their drool worthy catalogs. Some do, some don’t.
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Yup... eBay is ruined. I could list off at least a dozen reasons it was better pre-2020, but Rob summed it up nicely.
The good news is that I am spending MUCH less time searching in futility. So now I can waste tons of time in less expensive ways. :rolleyes: |
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You’re not merely dealing with collectors who hunt for items to add to their personal collection. Some seemingly live on eBay to grab cheap BINs only to relist for a profit 1-2 weeks later, or whenever the mailman leaves their porch. Not illegal but kinda lame.
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Another thing, which I “get” but don’t necessarily like, is we pennant collectors have gotten to know which ones are really rare. I know of seven SF Giants pennants that I have seen ONCE. Three went to a very good friend in SF back in the early 2000s. I bid also but, being a new collector, my buddy beat me pretty easily in the $200 range. I figured I would see those pennants again but never have. Three more reside with another guy I know in SF. He doesn’t actively collect anymore but won’t let his go. Both those guys have very advanced Giants collections. Bocca snagged a unique green one about a year ago in an “honest” auction. All seven pennants are unique designs; not just variations of what we know to be out there. Bocca also has the ONLY Keezer Giants I’ve ever seen, although Greg and/or Mark may have one. Maybe someday, I’ll be able to add one of these eight…..although I’m not holding my breath. :p
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I have seen the Giants Keezer once, and it was probably close to 20 years ago. I did not know how rare it was at the time either. Hope you find one some day, Rob!
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I picked up these 2 pennants in a lot. They're about 23" long and I think there was a spine on them once upon a time. Anyone recognize these?
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As if this pennant wasn't common enough. Wonder where these have been hiding for the past 67 years...and were they alone?
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Happened to stumble across this late one-night last week, this is the second version of this pennant I own. Other than this recent pennant I haven't been able to find much out there right now worth spending my kid's college money on, lol
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Do you know when your flocked Giants pennant was made? |
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I wonder if there are more teams in this series? There's some other 1930s and 1940s 3/4 pennants that look to be candidates. |
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Thanks, Mark and Gary. Funny how those guys are either swinging at a ball in the dirt or hitting a dribbler, while my flocked Giant has just hit one out of the park! :p
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I thought it was special too and then it sat on eBay for many months until you rescued it. |
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A buddy asked if I had any interest in a couple of pennants. I did not. As a favor to my buddy, I'm posting them here to see if any of you have interest. I kinda doubt it, but here they are.
He'd like to get $75 apiece or $150 for both. If that's high, and I suspect it might be, what would you guys value them at? Also, what vintage is the Red Reds? |
Probably late 1940s on the 3/4 Reds with Starburst. Cool pennant, but it typically sells for around $60-$65. The '63 Reds Picture Pennant is likely worth a bit less, given the staining throughout.
He would do pretty well to get $100 for the pair. |
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