So Spiral Stairs, what is your favorite song from Wowee Zowee?

[QUOTE=Michael Frost;1198124]So you bringing up Shelly's past (14 years) isn't old news?

I also usually do not save stuff because much of it is so bad, but this
i had to save. when i was doing the hbo sports show I showed them a lot of bad mantles like this one. this comes from someone who did prvt signings and claimed to be a close friend of Mantle.

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[QUOTE=shelly;1198142]I also usually do not save stuff because much of it is so bad, but this
i had to save. when i was doing the hbo sports show I showed them a lot of bad mantles like this one. this comes from someone who did prvt signings and claimed to be a close friend of Mantle.


Shelly, you are a true joke as well as most of what you have to say. Can you 1st explain to our audience the issues with the autograph that you have just posted.

I have tried to avoid being involved in this thread but I do have to state that Shelly's opinion is held in high regard on this forum.
His accuracy is probably 90% or better on autographs he comments on.

I'm more of a Slanted and Enchanted man.

[QUOTE=Michael Frost;1198149]Seriously? Holy crap!!!

That Mantle is awful.

Both are great records. Love the name man!

Now that you are involved can you please give your expert opinion on the Mantle and Martin posted by Shelly.?

Wrong thread. Please post this elsewhere.

I do not like the fact that people are getting into personal attacks for stating their opinions.
I am also not getting into what appears to be childish name calling on this forum.

That being said, if I was presented with the photo and someone asked me what I thought, I would tell them I do not like the mantle, AND I do not like the Martin.
If I am asked "why" I will reply that I am not photo shop user. There used to be someone on these forums that would draw great charts showing incorrect formations and slants. I do not get scientific.
As all of you know, I rarely comment on signatures and when I do it is only with an athlete whom I have personally seen thousands of autographs from by way of a contract I had with them.
That being said, I do not believe Mickey Mantle or Billy Martin ever held that photograph or put a pen to it.

Mike, here is a bet. $1000 sent to Leon. We will send this to Psa or Jsa and see if it is authentic or not. Put up or shut up. Money is being sent to Leon via Pay Pal if you take the bet.:)

[QUOTE=Michael Frost;1198149]Michael, I'm not trying to pile on here. I'm no expert, but even I know that the one that Shelly posted is REALLY BAD...

The 2 guys talking about records need to quit. Other than that hopefully everyone will continue to remain professional in the debates. Interesting stuff...

Mike, have a great life. I think you have shown everyone on here just who and what you are.:rolleyes:

Does this mean you are running away from the bet you were talking about???
By the way do you feel that the same person or people that signed the Mickey Mantle / Billy Martin photo you posted also signed this these ones or are these ones authentic?

How do you like the 2 additional Mantle Martin images I have posted? Is that more like the ones you are use to seeing?

Those are awful, too.

Michael, I was wondering, in what capacity were you "Employed by the US Government?"

http://www.paasautographs.com/credentials.html

Michael, last Christmas a friend of mine in Arizona sent me a copy of the book "Operation Bullpen" and wrote the below note in the book.

Yes, that Tim.

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[QUOTE=Michael Frost;1198124]Thank you.

[QUOTE=thetruthisoutthere;1198509]Way to reel them in...hook, line, and sinker :eek:

I stand by previous comments that both Mantle/Martin autograph pieces are not authentic.

If both pieces were submitted to PSA today, I believe they would be rejected.

Is that based on who submitted them or on the autograph??????

I'd be happy to answer your question, Michael; after you answer my above question.

Do you have a 1099 you can show us?

[QUOTE=thetruthisoutthere;1198495]Michael, last Christmas a friend of mine in Arizona sent me a copy of the book "Operation Bullpen" and wrote the below note in the book.

Yes, that Tim.
I guess then you must be an autograph expert? Just wondering if you also received the secret decoder ring?
I have be asked many times and it has been requested that I do not discredit you.
As you know the criminals and frauds in the industry strive on dueling authenticators or experts. That is one reason I have been asked not to make a fool of you, but since you have stowed that honor upon yourself I have just answered a few of your questions.
I honestly do not have the time nor should I be involved in blogging, youtube, facebook, or your daily horseplay.
Since you are so knowledgeable, and have been professionally sharing your educational and scientific answers to the collectors and the members of the autograph industry for the past few years. I would love to see your analysis of these Mickey Mantle autographs.? In honor of the Holiday season.

Michael. Again, I'm no expert here, but I wouldn't buy either of those Mantle balls.. I'm a little unsure though... I wouldn't feel comfortable labeling them good or bad, based on my limited knowledge. But I have enough questions about it, that I wouldn't buy it..

Sorry, I not get back to you and your thousand dollar request. My bet was not that it was authenticated in in 2002 when authenticators like you had no idea what they where doing. My bet is that it be sent now.
The bet stands.
Since you dont have the original the only way we can do that to be fair to both of us is send it out for quick opinion. If that is good then I will proceed with sending the money to Leon. I am sure that you will win but I like to give money away:D
If you dont take the bet then it really is time for you to just shut up.
By the way the forgers dont care who fights they only care if they can get there garbage authenticated. If you belive that piece of garbage of yours I put up there is authentic, you should retire.
If anyone else wants to bet that it is an authentic piece please state how much you would like to bet. Mike has said only ten percent of you trust my opinion. Oh and Mike you can make it up to as much as you want.

Do you have a scan of the original COA from PSA? That looks like a copy of one. Very possible someone took the original, made a copy of it and put a photo of their fake Mantle Autograph in the place of the real one on the PSA letter. I'v seen that happen before on eBay. Do you have a scan of that photo with the PSA sticker? The photo you posted is obviously diff than the one on the COA.

yes very weird. the photo in the COA is totally different than the photo shown.

I stand by my original comment on the photo. Having had both players under contract, having seen thousands of each of their signatures that I KNOW are good, My opinion (and I use the word opinion only because I have to, but to me its a fact) is on that particular photo, the one that I commented on (the only one I commented on) was never held or signed by EITHER Mantle or Martin.
I will not reply to additional 'what do you think of this' posted in this thread. I just wanted to point out that despite posts above, I stand by what I said, and I am highly confident that in 2013 if presented to PSA/DNA it would not pass their authentication.

Ken, I am so sure your are correct that I have offered to bet anyone that it would not pass quick opinion. No takers so far. I am still waiting for the world renowned authenticator to step up and agree to the bet.:D

You once again are nothing more then a joke in this industry. You have now decided that 2002 certificate's do not count, yet you put up some type of nonsense authentication you state came from me from 2002 and that one counts?
I never said that it was authentic and I do not believe any of them are authentic. Yet you can clearly see that they are authenticated by both Spence and Grad and they were sold by major auction houses. I guess you do not want to send your money to the St. Jude's Hospital. Now you want a PSA quick opinion for something they have already be warned about (LOL)
You can say what ever you wish and play what ever games you plan on playing but unfortunately you seemed to have lost that bet and may soon have to admit that I am one of the only true autograph examiners and authenticators that have any credentials and credibility.

These are 2 different images, the COA Letter is for the photograph that is shown on the letter and the other just the sticker and number is shown. the both of the images shown have been examined and authenticatted by both Grad and Spence as ( Shelly said I guess before they know what they were doing)? Both can be looked up on the PSA/DNA database and there are more but that is not what this is all about.
If you are interested or would like to see some additional photographs please contact me at www.paasaa.com
Thanks
Mike Frost

gotcha, my bad...the consensus is they're both bad and were certed by psa/dna.

My bet was that the item that had your cert was bad. You then produce a Psa cert that made people belive it was authentic. I bet you it was not. Now you are saying I am correct. Not only that you knew they where bad all the time.
Please explain why you then sold the item under your cert with the psa wording. Or is this another forged cert.
You work for the government under cover. You have said in the same thread that Chris is great and Chris is terrible. You say you work for Topps .You say you are know the world around as great authenticator. The only thing you will be remembered for on this site is that you are the Walter Middy of 54
You owe the money. The bet was clear. In fact three people agreed that they where forgerys and you said nothing untill you knew you lost.
Just so everyone knows I sent it for quick opinon and here is what they said.


Response: "Likely Not Genuine"

Here are the details of your Request:

Comments:
Request ID: 100437
Request By: 10/25/2013

Thank you choosing the QuickOpinion service!

I feel bad that there are people like you that will always spin the arguement to try and make themselevs look good. You should go back to your friends at Autograph Planet. Oh I am sorry I forgot they threw you out of there.:(


Just to make another point. You want to bet how many people would trust me saying if a Mantle is authentic or not vs. you on this site?

There are a ton of autograph collectors on Net54,.

I wonder how many of them use P.A.A.S. to authenticate their autographs?

[QUOTE=shelly;1198853]My bet was that the item that had your cert was bad. You then produce a Psa cert that made people belive it was authentic. I bet you it was not. Now you are saying I am correct. Not only that you knew they where bad all the time.
Please explain why you then sold the item under your cert with the psa wording. Or is this another forged cert.
You work for the government under cover. You have said in the same thread that Chris is great and Chris is terrible. You say you work for Topps .You say you are know the world around as great authenticator. The only thing you will be remembered for on this site is that you are the Walter Middy of 54
You owe the money. The bet was clear. In fact three people agreed that they where forgerys and you said nothing untill you knew you lost.

Shelly, as most know you are a pathological liar.. From top to bottom of this discussion. I am sorry I believe you have no idea you are even lying, changing statements, adding words and just being the typical con man you are credited with being.
I know both you and Chris do not want me on Net 54 because, you both have convinced some that you know what you are saying. I never would have certed those photographs and never said they were authentic. Just was playing the game as Westsiders said "Way to reel them in...hook, line, and sinker "
Were did I sell that item in question? Where is that Cert with the psa wording from? Were did I say I worked under cover? When was I ever on Autograph Planet? When did they threw me off?
In one paragraph alone there is 5 lies out of your mouth.
You also said "You have authenticated more bad Mantles outside of the Donald and Morales, Where are all these bad certed Mantles? I can show you 100's of bad certed Mantles from the top autograph authenticators in the world and yet you lie and have the nerve to make this statement. You also said I sell Hot Dogs at Kiosc. Once again you are lying.
It is very embarrassing that I am even in a discussion with you, but I thought it was time you were put back in you place. Stop all your lies and pipe dreams and go back to removing the Jose Canseco cards out of the wax packs.

Mike youare a sick man. Go back to Todd he will hold your hand and tell you everying is good.
Oh by the way.I was gonna let this go, but how about an answer on this one too. You said Collectibles of the stars didn’t have LOAs in 1997 and that the 1997 LOA for the Mantle posted by Chris was a forgery. So, how about this 1997 Cheetah the Chimp LOA from Collectibles of the Stars? Is this a forgery ? Its dated 1997. And you say the Cheetah signing was some joke but did you know the Chimp wasn’t Cheetah and was never in a Tarzan movie and that anyone who bought your Cheetah signed photos got ripped off with the signature of some unknown chimp? The real Cheetah was dead for years, read the Washington Post. Help us on this one. Those are your signatures on the LOA, or are those forgeries too? You’re so well respected people are forging your name as much as Mantle I guess.
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By the way is that your signiture on top or was that forged as well. Hold on a second. It was the CIA at the door telling me to stop.:eek:

Has anyone ever seen worse spelling than that of Shelly and Mike? Cheetah the Chimp spells better.

Are you aware of the fact that Shelly has an affliction called dyslexia?

So tell us, what does your comment have anything to do with this thread?

Also, I didn't see you post anything constructive here, Steve; just like Westsiders with his "hook, line and sinker" comment.

Steve, just to let you know it is called Shelleez that has now been accepted on this site for a long time. I see things backwards and spell things the way I think they should be. I also think that I said what I wanted but the words are missing. Spell check does not help. Like Chris said do you have any thing to add expcept being insulting. Hope this never happens to anyone in your faimly.:)
The one thing I do know because of this. Bad autographs. How about you?

Being compared to a Chimp is so disgusting. I have no idea who you are but I will say that your comments do not belong here or anywhere else. I have never said this before but you should be suspended. :mad:

This does not really look like the spelling or grammar of a rocket scientist
ss
Steve S.
St.eve S@lem Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Baltimore


I think it's good. Looks like 1970s style signature. Is very close to 2 that I have, one of which was signed in-person in mid-70's. Am curious what you guys don't like about it?

Steve, that was really uncalled for and added zero to this thread.
If comments are going to be made by members on this thread, at least let them be relevant to the topic.
It has long been known by most here that Shelly has dyslexia.
Let us try to keep the posts here relevant to the topics at hand.

I stand behind my comment of hook, line and sinker...as Mike has undoubtedly "baited" you guys (Chris and Shelly) into this back and forth. And while I agree that it wasn't necessarily a constructive comment, I don't understand the comparison to the ridiculous comment made by "SS" (I also thanked Shelly, outside of this link, for sharing his knowledge with newer guys like me).

And Mike, please don't misinterpret my comment as being in any way, shape, or form in support of your position. Your touting of PAAS is laughable....and your latest personal attacks against Shelly are gross. It would be the equivalent of people attacking your personal appearance in the photos that you've posted. Such comments just don't belong here. Best of luck.

Sco.tt Rom.ero

Again, I am not convinced the PSA letter that Mike posted is real. Looks like a copy to me and anyone could doctor that up. I'd like to see a color scan of the original PSA letter.

+1. That was really uncalled for Steve.