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The cover up continues. PSA revoked my website account so I can no longer notify their customers who bought altered cards through the set registry. And there are still people who think PSA is not complicit in the fraud?
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Turnaround times have never been longer even after staffing and building upgrades. Maybe they downsized and didnt tell anyone :rolleyes:
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All this Stuff HAS to be on SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS MEANING ALL THE BASEBALL CARD SPORT CARD RELATED FACEBOOK GROUPS BUYING SELLING VINTAGE CADS ect TOBACCO ROW TOBACCO CARD COLLECTORS 99% PSA AND MANY OTHERS INCLUDING THE RAZ GAMBLING FACEBOOK GROUPS AND AUCTION GROUPS TO INCLUDE TWITTER/instagram ect.... Also A booth at every major card show set up next to PSA and other TPG grading offenders exposing with big screens their thousands upon thousands of altered cards in there holders |
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John.... sorry to hear they actually did that to you. Their complicity in this scam is now pretty much a certainty. Just be sure to focus your efforts on other platforms that will reach the greatest number of people. PSA can't squelch this if we don't enable them. |
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PSA is as corrupt a company that there ever was and should be shut down for fraud. The constant censorship and ZERO interest in addressing an fixing their faults is nauseating. Doing nothing but catering to their fake dealer network that helped spread the scam like a Chinese Moronvirus.
Easily a 2 billion dollar fraud after some recalculation. This is the biggest scam in the history of sports cards. Such a funny joke at the collectors expense. I wouldn't buy a thing from this horsey face dickwad or anything from PSA. |
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intersting PSA job description for graders. Why do they need to have good people skills when they are supposed to be unbiased and just look at cards privately?
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That's a pretty basic boilerplate job description and set of skill requirements.
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I agree 100 percent with Bobby. You are probably in reasonably close proximity to other graders and getting along is very important. You don't have to be best friends but you do need to be courteous and nice.
Based on the description, I suspect PSA also wants some collaborative efforts so a grader can tell other graders if they see something they don't like. Let's not read more into this than we have to. The person who said this is a boilerplate job description is probably dead on. Rich |
The answer is always money. :) I wasn't a submitter (maybe a few a year) to TPG's anyway. Good luck to those that do.
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I'd be the one asking when the card flipping contest was and which type it would be.
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Hard to believe!
Can you believe that people are still consigning and people are still bidding in his auction? Why isn't he in jail?
Winter Premium Auction Now Open for Bidding Inbox x Small Traditions LLC via icontactmail1.com 6:38 PM (2 hours ago) to me Greetings from Small Traditions, Our Winter Premium Auction is now open for bidding and will run for the next two weeks, closing on Saturday night 2/29 with a lot-by-lot 30-minute rule beginning at 8pm PT (11pm ET). As always, please don't hesitate to call or write with any questions, corrections, or suggestions. Thank you for your support, and happy bidding, Dave Thorn & The STs Team |
It is truly disgusting. Perhaps a combination of 1/3 unmitigated gall, 1/3 arrogance, and 1/3 a sense of invincibility. This clown has been getting away with it for so long (with no ramifications or consequences) that he thinks he's infallible.
A proven card trimmer and fraudster, caught dead to rights. Yet the sheep keep flocking to the well, to be ripped off even further. |
I skip right over the slabbed cards. I find I get the best deals by purchasing raw cards. If it has some slightly rounded corners, I know it has not been altered. Plus they are about 5x less for the exact same card minus a crappy slab and "opinionated" grade. Penny sleeves and top loaders are plenty of protection for my ex-ex+ vintage collection.
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Also if I find a card has been trimmed, I can contact the buyer and 90% of the time I get refunded. Or I am out a measly $10 or $15.
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People may not be consigning, it is probably his trimmed collection. I had to laugh when I recieved the email about the auction. The audacity of this guy is beyond belief. Faking provenance is about 6 feet below a snakes belly.
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One example of a card I follow is this card. Sold for 1955.00 in Small Traditions and then it pops up in PWCC and sells for over 3k https://smalltraditions.com/LotDetai...entoryid=45306 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1992-Little...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT |
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1. BST on Net54 (Free and many collectors see it) 2. Sterling Auctions (Anything really) 3. Heritage (Higher dollar items) 4. Hunt (Post Cards/memorabilia) 5. Huggins & Scott (newer stuff including minor league) 6. Brockleman Auctions (Especially booklets/papers/magazines) 7. LOTG (Type cards/postcards/photos) 8. REA (higher dollar items especially 19th century) 9. Clean Sweep (prewar items including obscure) 9. eBay seller that comes recommended from here. More fees involved in this option. If you consign, ask to have sellers fee waved and make sure you know what they are charging the buyer for fees. Plus make sure you like the way the auction closes. If some/all your items need grading, then negotiate the grading cost upfront. |
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In the past few years, I have sent two lots to PWCC. I would say that roughly 1/3 of the items sold for well above my expectations, 1/3 sold at for what I expected, and 1/3 sold for under what I felt I could have sold them for myself. I think that PWCC's perceived sold prices are specific to certain items, and the high prices don't carry through on all items. The same applies to PSA cards. Some prices are higher, especially on modern cards, but for lower end vintage, SGC seems to prevail.
The advantage is that PWCC's consignment rates were under what I would have paid eBay and PayPal if I had listed them myself, plus, I didn't have to scan, list, or ship. I am not going to consign to PWCC again because of the integrity problems that they seem to be having. It has been 20 years since I submitted to PSA, but I do send small orders to SGC once or twice a year. I have 8 PSA cards in my collection and I am thinking about breaking them out of the PSA slabs and either keeping them raw or sending them to SGC. I would mostly agree with Jay Cee's list, although some of the companies on the list are having their own problems with passing along trimmed cards, or they have problems with shipping charges, etc. I would also add Birmingham Auctions to the list of good guys. :) |
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I bought a memorabilia piece from them that they specified as a specific piece. After receiving it I tried my own research more and couldn't confirm anything from the item description. When I contacted HUNT's with the conflicting information they told me essentially "that is what our consignor told us". So they took the work of the consignor with out any bit of research and fully relied on that info. When I asked if they could provide more providence, they told me the consignor didn't have anything to provide. I haven't bid with Hunt since. The item was so cheap that I let it go, but they lost my trust. |
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They seem to always have a ton of stuff and the starting out bids are low. Their signiture or Platinum auctions are better than their monthly ones on all levels. They been around for years and most buyers know of them. Agreed they should not have used a "consignors word" on a description unless noted. Still, they move a lot of items and from almost any decade you want to collect. Im sure I left many AHs out of my list as I was just firing them out, as I was thinking of them. Ive never delt with Birmingham auctions, so I didn't List them... Nothing personal. |
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I first want to say I am not a dealer, I am a collector. I have bought many
times from Small Traditions auctions as well as other auctions and have had many cards graded by PSA. I happen to have a number of postcards that have been graded by PSA and of course, I could never get a 10, only the dealers it seemed to me. Recently Traditions had a 74/75, not sure which PSA 10 George Brett postcard up for sale, which took my 9 down in value, and in fact maybe 2. Now I read that they might have been trimmed. This is so funny because you won't believe how many cards I have received back from PSA with "evidence of trimming" when I bought them in the pack and never from a dealer so I knew they weren't trimmed. I recently battled with them over a Jetter they said was trimmed, which I had broken out of the pack years back. They finally slabbed it and graded it "authentic". I heard later that that whole group of cards might have all been smaller then PSA standards, but Small Traditions had a PSA 10. |
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For a high end item I will pay $50-$100 to ship. For a $25 item, I'm not even bidding when shipping is $25-$35. This may be one reason some cards may get the eyeballs, but not the bids. |
and it replaces the "no buyer's premium" as a revenue stream.
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According to a post today on Blowout, the Small Traditions website is permanently gone.
Anyone who didn't follow all the outed cards on Blowout, here's a link. Some stunners here. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1345291 |
I wonder if he's actually in legal trouble or if he simply failed to succeed in running his own auction site. I'm guessing it's the latter since his eBay store is still fairly active with recent sales.
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I don't think he took his website down because of what BODA did. He can make more money selling his cards through other auction sites.
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I feel pretty confident that when PWCC launches its' new platform, we will see an avalanche of PSA graded cards on offer and undoubtedly some will have been messed with. But if you offer them, they will come.
As big as Ebay is, I am sure they miss the revenue PWCC provided, and it obvious that vintage, maybe outside of Probstein, has dried up on Ebay. The simplest solution, of course, is to stop buying any PSA graded cards and move to SGC or Beckett. That is wishful thinking. |
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Though plausible, I highly doubt this is some new development in the FBI's ferocious pursuit of card trimmers. |
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One thing is certain though. The premise of the email was clearly bullshit. eBay has never given two shits about shill bidding in the past. This was most likely about something other than cracking down on shill bidding. Perhaps the FBI was breathing down their neck and the legal team felt they had to make a drastic move to cover their asses. Or perhaps they wanted to damage the brand of a soon-to-be competitor who was already on their way out the door. I think those are the two most plausible scenarios. Time will tell. If it is cracking down on shill bidding though, surely that will become apparent via further actions against shill bidding. And if it's the FBI breathing down their neck, that will become apparent once all these indictments start rolling in (any day now... any day now...). But if neither of those things happens, then the scale begins to tip quite heavily toward them just trying to damage the brand of a competitor. Stay tuned, IMO. |
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This notion that PWCC was or is a threat to eBay's business is absurd. eBay does not only sell sports memorabilia and the sports memorabilia it does sell makes up a fraction of it's entire revenue. There is no competing with eBay. It's like saying Yahoo is competing with Google. They both exist, but they're not in competition with each other.
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