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Agree with Quan that e103 is probably close to equal
Juju is tougher Both W600s are tougher |
Updated with new category classifications
Thanks Peter, Richard and Quan for the input...I have added both W600's and the Ju-Ju's to the tougher list. And is JKA the issue that contains some cards that are die-cut? If so they definitely belong on the tougher list. I have come up with new designations for the categories, with a new category...see if you think it changes things amongst the various issues:
Definitely more Common: 1913 Barker Game 1909/11 Colgans E254 1915 Cracker Jack 1909/11 E90-1 batting and throwing 1910 E91-C 1909 E92 Dockman batting and fielding 1910 E93 1909 E95 1910 E98 1906 Fan Craze NL 1910/11 M116 blue 1910/11 M116 pastel 1913 National Game 1914 Polo Grounds Game Around the same as the T206 Wagner: 1914 Cracker Jack D322 Tip-top E90-2 E94 E102 batting M101-4 Sporting News and blank backs Probably less the the T206 Wagner: Definitely less than the T206 (should be plenty of more issues in this grouping...let us know): All Star Baseball Baseball Bats D304 all backs D381 Fleischman/Ferguson Bakery E92 Crofts Candy both poses E92 Crofts Cocoa both poses E92 Nadja both poses E101 batting and fielding E102 fielding E103 E104-2 E105 Mello-Mint E107 E125 American Caramel both poses E135 Collins McCarthy and all associated backs E270 Tin Tops E271 Darby Chocolates E286 Ju-Ju Drums E300 Plows Candy JKA(?) M101-4 (all backs except for Sporting News and Blank) M101-5 (all backs) M110 M131 Baltimore Newsboy Orange Border batting and portrait Reccius Icky Bob T5 T216 Kotton, Mino and Virginia Extra (all variations) Texas Tommy type 1 and 2 Voskamps W555 W600 both W-Unc 1912 Postcards: Rose Co, American League Pub, Novelty Cutlery, Vignette Heck if I know: BF2 Pennants M101-2 M101-2 w/Cobb Brian |
Updated and Mission Statement
I sorted out a few of the issues to put into the 'Probably less than the T206 Wagner' category after retitling the 'Less Than' category as 'Definitely less than'.
This was a fun little exercise...let me know if you have any additional comments about these groupings. I started this thread just to emphasize to our members how important 'demand' is in the value of a card. The demand for the Wagner pretty much tops the charts, and when you throw in all the factors that have made this card irrestible to collectors and investors over the years, it just blows away all his other cards, even the various Wagner cards that are much less common, like those in our 'Definitely less than' category. Thanks to all that made this thread so fun for me. Definitely more Common: 1913 Barker Game 1909/11 Colgans E254 1915 Cracker Jack 1909/11 E90-1 batting and throwing 1910 E91-C 1909 E92 Dockman batting and fielding 1910 E93 1909 E95 1910 E98 1906 Fan Craze NL 1910/11 M116 blue 1910/11 M116 pastel 1913 National Game 1914 Polo Grounds Game Around the same as the T206 Wagner: 1914 Cracker Jack D322 Tip-top E90-2 E94 E102 batting M101-4 Sporting News and blank backs Probably less the the T206 Wagner: D304 General Baking and Brunner's backs E101 batting and fielding poses E103 E135 Collins McCarthy and blank backs Definitely less than the T206: All Star Baseball Baseball Bats D304 all backs besides General Baking and Brunner's D381 Fleischman/Ferguson Bakery E92 Crofts Candy both poses E92 Crofts Cocoa both poses E92 Nadja both poses E102 fielding E104-2 E105 Mello-Mint E107 E125 American Caramel both poses E135 all associated backs except Collins McCarthy and blank E270 Tin Tops E271 Darby Chocolates E286 Ju-Ju Drums E300 Plows Candy J + K M101-4 (all backs except for Sporting News and Blank) M101-5 (all backs) M110 M131 Baltimore Newsboy Orange Border batting and portrait Reccius Icky Bob T5 T216 Kotton, Mino and Virginia Extra (all variations) Texas Tommy type 1 and 2 Voskamps W555 W600 both W-Unc 1912 Postcards: Rose Co, American League Pub, Novelty Cutlery, Vignette Heck if I know: BF2 Pennants M101-2 M101-2 w/Cobb Brian |
I'm way late to the party here, but I believe the 1915 E106 (both batting and throwing) are more rare than the T206
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My thread forgetting mind definitely remembers this fun one from 4 years ago. I'm surprised we didn't think to add the E106 to the list. I believe that both poses are just uncommon enough to be put in the definitely less common grouping. Thanks Dan for bringing this thread back from the dead (just in time for Halloween).
Brian Definitely more Common: 1913 Barker Game 1909/11 Colgans E254 1915 Cracker Jack 1909/11 E90-1 batting and throwing 1910 E91-C 1909 E92 Dockman batting and fielding 1910 E93 1909 E95 1910 E98 1906 Fan Craze NL 1910/11 M116 blue 1910/11 M116 pastel 1913 National Game 1914 Polo Grounds Game Around the same as the T206 Wagner: 1914 Cracker Jack D322 Tip-top E90-2 E94 E102 batting M101-4 Sporting News and blank backs Probably less the the T206 Wagner: D304 General Baking and Brunner's backs E101 batting and fielding poses E103 E135 Collins McCarthy and blank backs Definitely less than the T206: All Star Baseball Baseball Bats D304 all backs besides General Baking and Brunner's D381 Fleischman/Ferguson Bakery E92 Crofts Candy both poses E92 Crofts Cocoa both poses E92 Nadja both poses E102 fielding E104-2 E105 Mello-Mint E106 American Caramel both poses E107 E125 American Caramel both poses E135 all associated backs except Collins McCarthy and blank E270 Tin Tops E271 Darby Chocolates E286 Ju-Ju Drums E300 Plows Candy J + K M101-4 (all backs except for Sporting News and Blank) M101-5 (all backs) M110 M131 Baltimore Newsboy Orange Border batting and portrait Reccius Icky Bob T5 T216 Kotton, Mino and Virginia Extra (all variations) Texas Tommy type 1 and 2 Voskamps W555 W600 both W-Unc 1912 Postcards: Rose Co, American League Pub, Novelty Cutlery, Vignette Heck if I know: BF2 Pennants M101-2 M101-2 w/Cobb |
I concur. Great thread from a few years back with some fond memories.. I also agree, from what I have seen, I feel there are probably fewer E106 Wagners of either specific pose but maybe not in total than the king of Wagners.
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A number of these Wagner cards (rarer than the T206) are currently up for auction in the current BST Auctions Fall Premier catalog.
For starters, there's Standard Biscuit, JuJu Drum, Collins McCarthy, W600, JK&A, Green Joyce, etc... (plug, plug) http://www.bst-auctions.com/catalog.aspx |
E125 American caramel is pretty rare
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T206 vs e92 Dockman and Colgan's Chips
I believe I read on t206resource that there are an estimated 60-100 t206 Wagners.
From the SGC and PSA pop reports: there are about 80 e254 Wagners and 80 e92 Dockman Wagner batting. Of course, there are a number that are ungraded from these two issues. |
M101-1 Sporting News is rarer and the National Copper Plate even rarer than that, perhaps ten or so of the first and maybe just five or so NCP? NCP is the real rookie appearance (1898). one of my favorite cards!
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Don't forget yo mama
Don't forget the d303 Mother's Bread. Much much scarcer than t206
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Your holdings
....so what do you guys have?
This is a fun list to read, now let's have a little fun inventorying. I have : E95 Philadelphia Caramel Wagner E98 (light blue) Wagner E105 Mello Mint (batting) Wagner Who else wants to share? |
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E106 American Caramel M116 Sporting Life blue Looking to sell one or the other in order to pick up a '52 Mantle if anyone is interested ;) |
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Mama Wags
A Mother's Bread Wagner (batting) just sold in REA less than 2 weeks ago
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The descriptions on the back make the copper plates so great. Is there another issue where you get rookie cards or unique cards, and substantial descriptions on the back of what the players and times were like? Amazing issues.
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Nice valid observations on some missing cards...I will update the list in a few days when I have the opportunity to cut/paste.
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I do have one in the Definitely Less Common than the Wagner T206 category...an Orange Border 'Portrait', and the thing, even in low condition, is very cool. Brian |
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