You try to operate as a professional on anything! cleaning, paiting, plumbing etc without the proper city permit licence or degree of knowledge and you
could/will be fined and in many cases charged with a crime depending on who you piss-off.

Does that include making fake "vintage" packs?

Anyone can obtain a license for painting, plumbing or the like. There are no tests involved. So what you are saying is that you cannot be a professional in cleaning such as rug cleaning, dry cleaning or house cleaning without a license? A license only allows you to operate in that jurisdiction.

professional
 

You changed your premise. You started with schooling and that is what I addressed. Now you are on to licensing. Writers, authors, sculptors, artists, astronomers ?

But I don't want to argue...so you win

Not really Al,
i posted what i believe is an educated opinion on the vintage card cleaning
subject, and all i ended-up doing is create a couple of enemies if anything
i lost, i'm an old man with experince and knowledge in the hobby pre and
post grading eras, i joined here for 2 reasons, one to share, talk make new
friends, but seems like most here just want to confront each other on silly
things, the other reason for a selfish agenda.

Hey Pepis, would love the input on someone from the pre-grading era. I just started collecting vintage cards about 4 years ago. Curious where you fall on the restoring/non-restoring spectrum? Are you for or against it? And, what type of restoration do you think requires disclosure?

Cards
 

Jose---Peace. I collect ungraded cards. Have since 1957. Some may be doctored. I don't care. It is just a hobby for me. I understand both the necessity and consternation over grading standards and card manipulation among those for whom it is both a hobby and an investment, or just an investment. I am glad to say I just don't care about all that. I just enjoy the hobby and collecting the sets/cards I want/enjoy.

My believe has always been that the word restore doesn't fit in a vintage
collectible of any kind, when you recolor a sports card or you replace a portion
of a ripped label on old bottle of wine or you straigthen a bent double eagle
gold coin, you are not restoring you're compromising the true integrity of the item, i posted a link to the so called restore Honus Wagner on post # 20
not even half the card is real an absolute joke! i hope a smart lawyer sees it
and creates a class action suit

Actually, that's incorrect. It is a recognized profession, one where methodology is learned, and expertise is acquired through apprenticeship.

Examples of companies that do these restorations:

http://graphicconservation.com/?load=flash
http://www.restorationbyjm.com/index.php

I don't think that pointing out an inaccurate statement is being confrontational, and it's not my intention to argue. I just know that a lot of people get their information about baseball card collecting from this forum, and the information presented should be as accurate as possible.

And though I've not been a member here long, I would have to say that I haven't experienced any kind of selfish agenda. I have, however, met a lot of people that display an obvious passion and respect for the sport, and the hobby.

Jose, I hope you will stay, and allow us the opportunity to change your opinion. I for one would love to read about your experiences over the years.

Very nice Al,
that makes you a true blue collector pretty rare this days, i opened my 1st
pack in 1959 but i didn't really get it until 1961 and by 1964 i was completely
hooked, in 1967 or 68 i went to what many belive was the first card shop
in So Cal (orange cty) owned by one of the nicest man i ever met in the hobby
his name was Will Davis a couple of years later i met another great collector
dealer name Frank Kish, pretty nice times greed wasn't arround then.

If you are paid for a service, by definition you are a professional. There are folks that get paid to clean cards. I am an amateur soaker:D

Bill this thread is Bestdj777s about restoring cards points of view, not fake packs, HOWEVER Bill if you open a thread about fake packs! and call me out,
i have done a lot of research on the problem and have lots of knowledge
that i would not mind sharing some of it, not all i have to leave some in case
i write a book on the subject.