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Posted By: Glen VI'm always scared to alert the seller to what an item might be worth. It seems like a seller with a $500 offer on an item would just have a friend bid $499 and let the auction run it's course, betting the buyer will bid at least $500...

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Posted By: Fred CSteve, The reason for the horizontal scroll bar is the screen shots that Brian included earlier in the thread. If those screen shots were reduced in size or replaced with URLs then the horizontal scroll bar would disappear.

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Posted By: BobYup...just another self serving act to end an ebay auction early. It happens all of the time...it's not against the rules...despite it being a DICK move...it happens all of the time...let the seller beware!" Peter U, you owe me an apology. I just got back from work and had to read a bunch of crap based on what people thought or guessed without any facts. Here are the facts: I noticed several Zeenuts on ebay last night. At the time they had been on for over a day and not one of them had a single bid. I planned on laying in the weeds and actually made a snipe bid with E-Snipe. I contacted the seller about whether or not the card would or could be sold before the auction ran its course. I heard nothing and later went to bed. This morning I received an email from the seller that he had received offers for the card and to be fair was going to re-list the card with a "Best Offer" so I geared up for a war. Later on in the morning the original liting was ended and the card relisted with a "Best Offer" but also a Buy It Now. I had no clue a BIN would be used and absolutely never spoke to the seller about a BIN, or that I would agree to buy the card for that amount. I was lucky to see the card with the BIN during a break at work and after some initial hesitation took the plunge and hit the BIN. I had no clue how long the BIN had been there and I guess it's possible that someone had said they would buy it for $500 and to put up a BIN and I was just extremely lucky and spoiled someone's best laid plans, but I believe the seller honestly put a BIN up there which was greater than the offers made to end the auction. He did nothing wrong, I certainly did nothing wrong. This is also not a case where someone zips in with a bid of $50 for a $500 card and an unsuspecting seller. If you notice what he is selling the Weaver for he knows all about Zeenuts. I think I paid too much for the Bernard but it is a tough card, but certainly not as tough as Melchior, Lindsey, Fullerton, Halla, Smith SF and others. I guess this is exactly why collectors keep their mouths shut about things like this. If I hadn't frankly spoken about what had happened, no one would have ever known, but since neither seller nor buyer acted wrongly, I felt it could be posted. I'd also like to state that there are some hypocritical collectors on here because I know for a fact a couple of the "boo-hoo" posts were made by guys who had convinced sellers to end auctions early but won't admit it and condemn others. THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE

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Posted By: peter ullmanBOB...I was in no way referring to you...just anyone who asks to have auctions ended routinely with the intent of lowballing an uneducated seller. Personally...I find this practice deplorable...this is just my opinion...and I'm done discussing this topic...forever! pete ullman

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Posted By: BobDan- To answer your question the seller lists all of his items with Protected IDs, check his other auctions currently running. There was no conspiracy to protect the guy who BINed it as the item was originally listed as ID Protected also. Peter- OK, I guess I just got a little oversensitive, you are a good guy and I should have known you didn't mean it pesonally. Bob

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Posted By: Dave F Bob- I don't think you owe anyone an explanation. Congrats on a card that seems to be fairly tough.

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Posted By: Steve MurrayOK, I've read all of the comments to my post and here is my take on it. First, I was unaware that the seller had stopped the auction that I had a bid on and that he had relisted the card with a BIN. To me that makes a difference as the rules allow it and he wasn't cheating anyone. Had I known that I probably wouldn't have posted at all. Second, as someone suggested that one put in a high bid to show the seller that there was real interest wouldn't have worked here unless I wanted to bid against myself with a different ID. I was the first and only bidder and it mattered not whether I bid the $75 or $750 as all the seller knows is that there is a $75 bid. Third, Since I had bid and had shown interest by doing so it would have been nice if the seller would have included me in the goings on behind the scene. That it would have necessarily made things different is hard to say and the seller certainly wasn't under any obligation to do so. Fourth, All is fair in this game and while we don't like to have it happen to us, it does, and we move on.

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Posted By: Fred CHey, at least the card is in the N54 family!

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Posted By: Wesley"First, I was unaware that the seller had stopped the auction that I had a bid on and that he had relisted the card with a BIN. To me that makes a difference as the rules allow it and he wasn't cheating anyone. Had I known that I probably wouldn't have posted at all." Steve, That is not all. Not only did the seller start a new listing with a BIN, but Bob never asked for the seller to end the original auction listing. From where I sit, Bob did absolutely nothing wrong. He was just lucky to be the first to see the BIN this morning. Wes

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Posted By: MatthewHoly S***!! $500? Are you kidding me? And did I see someone write above that the seller left money on the table?! If so then I need to get to selling some Zeenuts. My Bernard looks every bit as nice as that one. Is this one really that rare?

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Posted By: Tony AndreaMy thoughts on this matter are as follows: I believe both collectors involved are good people in our hobby. No card, and I mean "no piece of cardboard" what so ever should ever come between two comrades. Paper product is replaceable, friendships however, are not...... Tony A.

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Posted By: Scott M.They are who we thought they were... Not a commentary on either of the parties involved as I consider them both good hobby friends. I just couldn't resist thinking of that Dennis Green line from the Coors Lite press conference commercials when seeing the title <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

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Posted By: Brian McQueen In all sets, you're going to come across cards that are more difficult to find than others. However, you don't really know about those cards from the onset, rather you discover them as you go along and gain experience working with those particular cards. The 1911 Zeenut set is no different. Right now, there are several collectors a few cards away from completing the set. However, those "few cards" tend to be the same ones in most cases. Bernard is simply one of those. This isn't to say the Bernard will still be popular after 2-3 people get one for themselves, but for right now, it's a pretty hot card. I certainly stand my my earlier comment of the seller having left money on the table. I would have gone higher than $500 and I think Steve might have considered it too.

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Posted By: AnonymousAm I the only one that noticed, the buy it now happened 55 seconds after the second listing was posted?

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Posted By: Jeff LichtmanDamn defense lawyers steal all the great cards. Bob, that card could have gone to a more deserving, less capitalistic bastard than yourself. I personally know seven illegal, hard-working immigrants who would have loved that card. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

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Posted By: Jim VB"I personally know seven illegal, hard-working immigrants who would have loved that card." And they will get their turn when the great "redistribution" comes! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

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Posted By: Rob D.Bob, Were you instructed to send one payment of $500 to the seller or 10 $50 payments to different people?

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Posted By: EvanI think another thing you have to consider is that on buy it now items the seller is being charged 12% plus paypal fees. It does cause the seller to consider not only ending an auction early, but to also selling offline. On mid priced items the fees are a killer.

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Posted By: BobGood question why Bernard is worth so much and why he is missing from so many collections of Zeenuts. I found out yesterday for the first time- apparently about 10 years ago the family of the late Mr. Bernard began earnestly and ruthlessly buying every single 1911 Zeenut Bernard card in existence much as what is going on with the Millers currently and which has driven the price of the Zeenut Miller card in to the stratosphere for anyone unfortunate not to have one. The quirky difference is that ALL Millers, Obaks and Zeenuts, are being hoarded by the grandson, not just the 1911 Zeenut Bernard. I believe that I have Bernards in my Obak sets (I'd have to look to make sure) and I am sure they were not especially difficult and I just paid a common price for them. I guess we'll never know for sure why Fullertons and Lindseys are so frigging hard to find without more knowledge about distribution, etc. It does seem like almost all of the Portland players in the 1911 set are among the toughest to find and both are Portland players. Seaton, Shinn, Rapps, all those Portland cards are tough...

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Posted By: MattLindsay is actually the same reason - the family buys up his cards when they can.

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Posted By: BobMatt- That's interesting but why wouldn't the Obak Lindsey be higher priced too?

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Posted By: Dan Koteleswhat is their a point ?

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Posted By: MattBob - the Lindsay who has an Obak is not Bill Lindsay; It is John Lindsay.