I wonder, are there more people moving into Texas from other states, or moving out of Texas to other states? :confused:

Someone help me out here.

Exactly. Population has exploded here in Central Texas in the last fifteen years. Mostly from California, Oregon, Utah and Washington. I see more California plates here in Wimberley than Texas plates. LOL. Wimberley has almost doubled in population in the last ten years. It was less than 3000 the previous 150 years.

It is crazy here in Texas. We have a lot of people moving here who don't believe in our values, coming in and wanting to change Texas. Honestly, I wish they would all go away. I love Texas but want to keep it Texan. (conservative, but not to get too political)

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ed/4490501001/

In 2011 Texas suffered a cold snap causing power interruptions. "A post-mortem at the time – including a key finding that state officials recommended but did not mandate winter protections for generating facilities."

https://www.statesman.com/article/20...NEWS/304119704

In 1989 Texas suffered a cold snap causing power interruptions. The PUC prepared a report. "A section of the document labeled “Recommendations” stated: “All utilities should ensure that they incorporate the lessons learned during December of 1989 into the design of new facilities” and “ensure that procedures are implemented to correct defective freeze protection equipment prior to the onset of cold weather.”

Don't hold your breath.

Agreed! Don't California our Texas! :)

Well, I don't know about this. Almost everyone in upper management at ERCOT and the PUC have been fired or resigned over the recent freeze disaster. My guess is that it does get fixed for the future. But I could be wrong. It IS the government.

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I think this was the last straw though. Like I said, most of the board has already resigned. Those cold snaps though weren't anywhere near what we just had. It had been 100 years since we had a storm like this.

Right! And omitted from his post is the fact that most ERCOT executives didn't even live in Texas (or the US for that matter).

I love Austin. I came here in '72 to attend UT and have never found my way out. The population back then was around 235,000. Now it's approaching 1,000,000. It has changed a lot. Not all change is bad. You have to accept the bad with the good and try to accentuate the good.

My dad was born and raised in northeast Texas. We visited my grandmother and uncles and aunts frequently in the 60s. Racism was rampant among my dad's family and that region. Some things need to change.

I do wish people would STOP moving here though.

I have the bottoms of 3 toes on my left foot which still have no feeling from the frost nip I got. I had cold weather boots on but not my heavy cold weather ones . :eek:
I have lived here all my life (close to 60 yrs. now) and have never seen anything anywhere close to what it just was. I understand it will be the largest insurance claims event in history, for Texas. Going through the natural disasters we have had that is saying something.

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Yeah, the reason nothing changed after 1989 and 2011 is because most ERCOT executives lived out of state in 2021. :rolleyes:

They've had 10 years to resolve the problems and chose to do nothing. It's easy not to care when you don't live here.

Maybe that's why most quit or got fired. Gee, go figure. :rolleyes:

A distinction without a difference. You say po-tA-to, I say PO-Ta-TO.

It actual isn’t a distinction without a difference and illustrates what people often get wrong about what the first amendment means. A totally unabridged right to speech would mean that no one could suffer any consequence from speech, even private consequences like losing a job or being barred from joining a private club. The phrasing of the 1st amendment simply prevents the GOVERNMENT from penalizing your speech. So it’s actually a pretty big difference

Also McDonal’s French fries are magic not science

I certainly understand that the meaning of the simplified term "free speech" has limitations, like not being able to shout "Fire!" in crowded places, not being able to slander others or break legally binding non-disclosure agreements with impunity, and so on. But in the struggle between government and individual rights, what the government can't restrict confers to the individual.

Time for a non fungible digital fantasy asset:

That's a nice Hogsett card. He's one of the players I read about before I was a teenager. I read about the 1934 World Series, while all other kids seemed interested in Mickey Mantle; but then it was the mid-60's and as a kids, we knew nothing.

Leon's toes... not a laughing matter. Toes are critical to controlling balance. I hope the feeling returns.

I didn't realize Texas had an independent power grid. With hindsight, that's a mess, a disaster waiting to happen. Texas should join the national grid, East or West, either is fine.

I recall, as a kid, asking my Grandfather what the TVA was. He had driven by a dam in northern Tennessee and mentioned that it was a TVA dam. I was a nerdy, inquisitive kid, and my Grandfather knew 'stuff'. I listened about the WPA, depression recovery, putting people to work, electrification (which was not very far along, even in the 1950's), affordable electricity, flood control, reliable sources for public water... and I asked him why the government owned the TVA. He explained that all of that needed doing, but that it would be maybe 55 to 65 years before the TVA could reach a point where it could have debt paid down to the point where it could be profitable. He mentioned affordable electricity again and said that where we lived we paid less for electricity than many of the people in the country. He said that business men, companies, corporations, they would not undertake a course of action that would not show a profit in a man's lifetime. But that government could do that. So the TVA was necessary to develop the system in the southeast... a system that helps with flood control, manages water resources and water recreation areas, and provides affordable and reliable electricity.

Texas needs to be on the national grid. Seems likely to me that the state government office holders, having received oil money supporting campaigns, couldn't vote against local oil and private power interests; so the citizens of Texas are stuck with a flawed yet replaceable system.

I'll offer a prayer tonight for those toes, that isn't a laughing matter.


I'd like to buy an example of that green background Wagner portrait card... that looks great!

You cherry pick one natural disaster regarding TX as your example? The state didn't force anyone to go without power...the weather did. How exactly does a state control the weather? How did they force their residents to not have generators? (I have 2). Did I miss when they would not allow residents to leave???

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't CA the state who has rolling black outs? LOL. I see people whining all the time about the heat and no power for AC in CA.

I assume they just enjoy the freedom that deregulation gives them to maximize profits while foregoing upkeep? I'm not paying close attention, but I'm willing to bet none of the people who got rich off this system for years will have to pay up, just the taxpayers.

I guess not enough read this sign?

Absolutely, Mike
 

I read a great analysis somewhere about what would actually happen to Texas economically if it did secede, and yes, it was the electrical grid fiasco times a thousand.

And yes, California does send more $$ than it receives...

I probably should just shut up, but I feel compelled to point out that ERCOT is neither a for-profit corporation nor the government (as someone else implied.) It is a 501(c)4 organization made up of paying members, which includes over 100 companies from various segments of the energy sector. ERCOT owns no assets. It's member companies, however, do and they are free to invest in, and upgrade, their systems as they see fit.

ERCOT isn't blameless here, but their heads aren't the only ones that should be rolling around on the ground.

Thanks for the clarification

Many lawsuits have been filed against ERCOT and the electrical providers. As far as I know, none have been filed against the State of Texas.

You read a lot about the exodus of Californians to Texas including some big companies that have recently relocated there. But rarely do you hear anything about what it's like once people get there. I recently read this opinion piece in the business insider about an executive who moved his family from the bay area of CA to a town just outside Austin (btw I'm a big fan of Austin and go every year to sxsw). The article is a great counter punch to the CA is horrible narrative and puts an exclamation point to the phrase the grass is not always greener...

(first oped behind paywall) https://www.businessinsider.com/movi...-i-knew-2021-1

(follow up oped free) https://www.businessinsider.com/bret...rce=reddit.com

Austin is similar to California. (And I didn't read either article.) Many, if not most, Texans feel this way.

Back to the mask issue. I personally think we (Texans) have opened back up, as much as we have, too soon. Masks shouldn't be a political issue. They are a health and safety issue. Just my opinions on this stuff.

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Texas needs to get its act together. I have tickets to see Jason Isbell and Lucinda Williams at the Moody Theater in Austin the first weekend in August. If y'all screw it up for me, I will be quite cross.

Are you arguing against yourself or just a hypocrite? Texas is excused because the weather caused its power problems. California is a failed state because of its rolling blackouts ... caused by the heat (i.e., weather). :rolleyes:

I do see that one of your solutions is for each of the approximate 10 million households in Texas to have their own generator. [You must have stocks in generator companies ;)] So, where do the folks who live in apartments put their generators? If you rent a house, I guess you just lug your generator with you whenever you move? How do people power their generators when the fuel supply is limited because of the crisis causing their use? Keep in mind that one of the main problems during the freeze was reduced natural gas supply because of frozen equipment.

I see that another one of your solutions is for people to leave Texas. Is that what you do when you're not happy with your state government or even the federal government. You simply pack your bags and leave? Are you asking the people who stormed the capital in January why they don't just leave the country?

Go back and read earlier posts. In 1989 after power blackouts in Texas it was recommended that companies winterize their equipment. They didn't. In 2011 after power blackouts in Texas it was recommended that companies winterize their equipment. They didn't.

The Texas government could force power companies and natural gas companies to winterize their equipment (like federal guidelines require other US gas and power companies to do). But the Texas government is more concerned about letting companies do what ever they want instead of looking out for the well being of its citizens. Is that really doing things right?

Time will tell if the third time is the charm.

Do government mandates and regulations prevent the problems California experiences with its electrical grid (and water supply) all too frequently?

Some people think that whatever goes wrong in this country, from crime to natural disasters, can be fixed through government regulation.

Sad, but true. Some people are conditioned to think that the government can solve all the problems.

California was one of the first states to deregulate it's gas and electric markets in 1995.

A Jason Isbell and Lucinda Williams sighting on Net54!! Could this be the first time? I believe this thread has been redeemed.

Thank you Jeff.

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Lucinda puts an amazing amount of personal energy, passion, and angst into her music. I hope you get to see her.

Charlie Pride... I think he was a part owner of the Texas Rangers. I think he had hunkered down and was being careful about COVID. Then, he went to Nashville, when asked to attend for the Lifetime Achievement Award. He died of COVID complications about 3 weeks after his fateful trip to Nashville.

"Kiss an Angel good mornin', and love er like the devil when you get back home"

RIP Charley Pride, the Jackie Robinson of Country Music.

They got the headliner backwards there.

Equally sad are the people who are conditioned to think that the government is the root of all the problems.

What's your point?

1989 cold weather caused power problems. In order to avoid those problems, it was recommended that the companies winterize their equipment. In essence, they were asked to "please" do it. Nothing was done.

2011 cold weather caused power problems. In order to avoid those problems, it was recommended that the companies winterize their equipment. In essence, they were asked to "pretty please" do it. Nothing was done.

2021 cold weather caused power problems. Should we now ask them "pretty please with sugar on it" to fix the problem?

If you don't want to regulate them, what's your solution?

They're not the root of all the problems but, without a doubt, they definitely create more problems than they resolve.

This thread sucks.

We rarely lose power for long here in Maryland - go East Coast!

Not sure about this...

My point about the weather is that it isn't controlled by the state....not hard to figure that out. Neither TX or CA has anything to do with the weather.

Your issue with the power companies in TX was a 1 or 2 times historical event. I honestly do not live there or know enough about what the state did or didn't do. Rolling black outs seem to happen a lot in CA....reinforcing my point with one example as to why CA is a mess in comparison to TX.

I didn't say leave the state forever...did I? Residents who did not have generators or another source of heat could have left for a period of time and then come back. Just one solution that a portion of the population could have considered. My future son in law, from OH, happens to be stationed at a base in TX. His barracks were not heated or insulated so he put on more clothes :eek: Trying to deflect the conversation to the capitol march does nothing for your argument...but nice try ;)

Another solution would be to purchase or already have a generator. Compared to losing thousands of $'s worth of venison and fish in multiple freezers, in my case, the cost of a generator is minor. For anyone who has a generator, I promise you, the vast majority have enough fuel stored to get through many days without power. It doesn't make any sense to have a gen w/out fuel now does it?

My entire point has always been that the state of TX has things figured out. Allowing full attendance at sporting events is a step forward and the correct call. You changing the narrative to a single weather event is a stretch.

And your entire point is not correct. From that bastion of liberal thought, the US News & World Report:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

Texas is ranked 31st of the 50 states "(m)easuring outcomes for citizens using more than 70 metrics." Apparently, US News thinks 30 states have things figured out better than Texas.

I guess you also missed the earlier post that pointed out that Texas receives around 19.5 BILLION dollars from the Fed in excess of what Texas sends to the Fed. Texas depends on the Fed, to the tune of $19.5 billion, to maintain its current standard of living. How is that "Texas has things figured out," unless you consider being a welfare leach having things figured out?

One thing I think all Texans can agree on is that Texas is #1 in BBQ. Sorry all you wanna be BBQ states, but that is a fact. :)

Plus, we have bluebonnets.

If it's so bad, what is keeping you here? You just like to complain, right?

Yeah, gotta love the bluebonnets in Texas. But you know what you have to watch out for with bluebonnets as well as Net54? Slimy snakes like yourself.

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Touché

Who's complaining? I'm just pointing out the stupidity of saying Texas has it figured out. (Okay, I was complaining about the number of people moving here. But I'm not alone in that regard.)

Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong. Jean-Jacques Rousseau

When people start hurling insults at you, you know their minds are closed and there's no point in debating. Judith Martin

Restaurants open, malls open, bars open, movie theaters open, sporting events open...Schools have been open all year. Things are BAU in Texas. It's good to be relatively normal again.

Still no sign of the mythical, superspreader event. :rolleyes:

How does one connect an illegal activity with a legal one? Flimsy comparison

With restaurants, bars, hotels, salons, theatres and retail establishments being crippled here (and going out of business at alarming rates), you have to wonder at some point whether the lockdowns are even beneficial. The survival rate of this virus is 99.97%...

Seems like wiping out people's businesses, life savings and ability to even visit family and loved ones is more detrimental than the alternative. Not to mention the millions of kids missing school and the increasing suicide rates. The free states are currently no worse off than "lockdown states", with regard to the spread, so perhaps living in fear is not the best alternative.

I guess that depends what you consider to be living in fear. Most people are advocating proper distancing, capacity limitations and wearing a mask. Doesn't seem alarmist to me. I might use the word practical.

On another note I've noticed that in the year I've been wearing a mask in all social situations I have not even had so much as a runny nose.

Living in fear doesnt prevent death....it prevents life.


Nobody believes in fate anymore.

Let's see what happens to your flabby, out of shape immune system when it finally comes off. ;)

Oh, I've thought of that. I've been eating more fast food to balance it out.

There needs to be somewhere between fear and all out opening of everything. I got my first vaccine shot yesterday. I will still wear a mask in social places and try to keep my distance. I wouldn't advocate lockdowns or 100 percent openings right now. Somewhere in the middle...maybe 70% open? I just don't feel like we are completely out of the woods yet. All just my personal opinion. If everyone stays civil it's an ok debate.

You missed the point just a tad. The two are not mutually exclusive...

They could open up most businesses and schools while employing masks and social distancing measures (being careful and practical). Some of these governor/dictators are on a bit of a power trip.

Who is they, though? The government of the state has made their stance clear on the issue and the plan isn't what you're proposing.

That plan (or a similar version of it) is in place for states that are currently thriving.

I am going to bow out of this. Nobody's mind will be changed, and everyone is entitled to his/her own beliefs. No upside to debating this in a sportscard forum.

We Are They.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goVL5dUykzs

I am he as you are he as you are me
And we are all together

It's actually closer to 98%:

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n579

However, there are more than the two outcomes from COVID than you're talking about - perfect health and death. COVID causes long-term problems in a lot of patients - heart issues, brain issues, and more. My brother is 15+ months out from getting COVID and still doesn't have his sense of taste back.

It's a lot more complicated than just "you die or you don't".

In addition to that, there is the significant burden that COVID places on the health care system. That has the effect of harming the care available to non-COVID patients.

None of the above should be interpreted in any way as advocating opening of businesses or closing of businesses.

My younger brother(46) is right at a year since he had it. He is still tired and his joints ache all the time.

To get more card pics here is one of my favorite pick ups in a very long time. A Wade Boggs rookie wrong back.

It's not that complicated. It's a decision people should be able to decide on their own. If you're afraid of covid, don't go to a restaurant. But everyone else shouldn't be denied the right because you're afraid.

Not much different than cigarettes, alcohol, guns, motorcycles. People decide how much risk they want to assume. The gov't doesn't make the decision for them.

At this point the cat is out of the bag. Texas and Florida have dispelled just about every liberal myth related to covid. Yet liberal states still choose to fear the boogeyman.

BTW...Wasn't spring break supposed to cause another spike? :rolleyes:

But doesn't the government try to mitigate the risk? Helmets, age minimums, licensing?? Wearing masks in public or temporarily halting mass, crowded indoor public events seem to be in character with all of your examples.

You're refuting a point I didn't make. I was referring to the effects of COVID, specifically in reference to the - false - statement of a 99.97% survival rate. You're talking about something completely different.

Government does make the decision. It's illegal to drive after consuming much alcohol. Clothing and helmets are regulated for motorcycles. Cigarettes are restricted from sale based on age and location. Their use is banned in many places. And so on.

So, by it being "not that much different", you're advocating for government intervention. That doesn't jibe with what you said above.

Texas just had a 27% jump in weekly cases.

I had it over a year ago, before it was cool to get it. I've never been sicker, but I recovered.

My two adult daughters caught it three weeks ago and they seem to be through the worst of it. Both lost taste and smell, but it's slowly coming back.

That looks more to me like a Wade Boggs rookie wrong front.

Stop getting your news from CNN. These sensational stories are so 2020.

That's not apples to apples. Let's see what would happen if the Gov't said no cigarette, alcohol, gun sales for the next 13+ months. Oh and no motorcycle riding either.

Not to mention shutting down Net54 for 13+ months.

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at least we always practice being 6 feet away from each member as we type. :rolleyes:

Where do you get your news? (And no, I don't watch CNN)

This will very likely be removed from Twitter soon as they certainly don't like the truth being out there, but we'll see?

Sounds like they are now going to ramp up the global warming/climate change train again because, you know, after all, fear sells and people will gladly give up their hard earned money for such a noble cause. :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/s...00630567469060

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/s...62653816856576

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/s...30642926854145

Speaking of apples to apples, get back to us with your analogy when the simple act of riding a motorcycle, buying a cigarette, buying a gun, or buying alcohol has the potential to infect someone with a serious virus during a non-pandemic period.

And by the way, in case you weren't aware, second-hand smoke can cause cancer in non-smokers. Because of that, smoking is banned in many public buildings in many places. You can use that in an analogy if you're so inclined.

I feel this thread has run it's course. Just my opinion.

Agree... another vote for killing it, Leon.

The discussion about the Rangers opening game is long over. I have gotten immersed in this hobby in an attempt to escape from this stuff. Perhaps anyone who wants to debate this topic can move over to a different forum?

What a weird assumption to make. I don't watch or read CNN.

There are plenty others to read. Have yourself some fun. :)

Your feigned befuddlement is actually comical. As if sensationally false headlines, of which this is one, don't come out of CNN every five minutes. Feel free to point out the where the 27% increase is:

You kind of harpoon your point with your second paragraph. You start by saying cigarettes, alcohol and guns can't hurt others (Really? Guns? You need that one explained?), then go on to point out how cigarettes hurt others. I'm sure there are thousands of kids growing up in homes where parents are smoking. What's the Govt doing about that?

Here's an analogy for you...Forcing everyone to wear a mask, was like the Gov't saying everyone has to wear a motorcycle helmet whether you own a motorcycle or not. After all, you might get hit by someone riding one.

You're spouting stupid misinformation.
(This article is only a couple of hours old)

https://abc13.com/10514883/?ex_cid=T...oXeyrTSdMw5P-o

Well, when you post a graphic that's out of date...

https://www.timesrecordnews.com/stor...wtr/115693058/

And yet I just cited a source.