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Posted By: <b>robert a</b><p>Perry Eaves,<br /><br />Ok, you don't collect lowgrade cards. We get it.<br /><br />Who cares?<br /><br /><br />Joe, <br /><br />Best of luck to you with your collection.<br />Take care.<br /><br /><br />Robert

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Posted By: <b>David Davis</b><p>"Perhaps the poster should print out the quote he references and<br />bring it to his place of worship. Ask the clergy member<br />who leads his congregation what he or she thinks."<br /><br />Perhaps the follow-up poster should print out all of his posts and take it to a team of world-class psychiatrists. Either he has a mouse in his pocket, hence the repeated use of "we", or he is channeling Sybil, and "we" is accurate, but not necessarily healthy. <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>"Thousands" of victims is no "wild speculation". The John Jay Report, commissioned and endorsed by the Catholic Church itself, found over 10,000 plausible reports of sexual abuse of children by over 4,000 priests between 1950 and 2002. Surely some of those priests are innocent but since this is a notoriously under reported crime we can be sure there have been more cases than the 10,000 or so cited in the report. In addition there have been a large number of priests, bishops, etc., who did not molest children but participated in cover-ups. <br /><br />Howard<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>PAS</b><p>Is this sort of discussion really necessary here?

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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>Joe,<br />You seem to be writing about a specific transaction that went poorly? I don't know what you are talking about, but if there is any value to be added to the folks here by sharing the experience as a "What to look out for" type of thing, please post.<br />Otherwise, best of luck to you finding another hobby where everyone has integrity and is worth placing your faith in...I doubt it exists, but I am a cynic, so when you find it, please post that too! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />And to the Board in general, I just wanted you all to know (particularly since I suspect you have all been waiting for my post on this thread), that when I decide to take a break from the hobby, I will be announcing it as well. -And I expect that post to create much fanfare and possibly huba-baloo. I will probably request Wonka's articstic abillities in delivering the message.<br />Furthermore, I will also be posting semi-regular announcements from here forward, to reiterate my continued participation in the hobby, just to calm any periodic fears that I have somehow exited The Show,...-until you see the previously aforementioned and above-referenced exit statement.<br /><br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />This is so much fun!<br /><br />-oh, yes, and....<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>Peter is right. This is not the forum to discuss the allegations of non-sports related news items. I guess in my line of work, I am accustomed to convictions and settlements (although not always) being indictments of guilt: not inadmissible reports and yes, speculation.<br /><br />I apologize for making an issue out of mis-information publicized on the Board, which is not related to sports and sports cards, but sometimes I can't help refraining from calling out complete and/or over-exaggerated BS; or at least asking to be educated by supporting documentation of these statements.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>I'm glad that you're keeping your sense of humor through all of this. Hopefully, you will not be leaving us any time soon. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter C.

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Sorry to bring this up again, but a quick internet search would reflect that the numbers cited above are not false:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.catholicnews.com/data/abuse/abuse04.htm" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.catholicnews.com/data/abuse/abuse04.htm</a>

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Posted By: <b>Mike Garcia</b><p> The only people who should be allowed to use the editorial "we" or the Royal "we" are editors , kings , and people with tapeworm.

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Posted By: <b>Perry Eaves</b><p>This is not life and death folks. "all this fuss over small group of low grade t206 cards" Correct. Go for a long walk, play catch with your kids, tell your wife you love her. (OK, went too far with the last one) Deciding to sell a small group of cards and treating it like a major life move is simply absurd.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Yeah, I agree with Josh -- over a billion dollars paid to the victims of sexual abuse by members of the Catholic Church ain't chump change. That being said, I hardly think the abuse reflects much on the Church. After all, there are bad people connected with every religion. When bad behavior becomes the average behavior for a religion then there is a bigger problem; clearly that is not the case with the Church.

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Posted By: <b>joe</b><p>Just curious, has anyone on this board ever met Bruce? Does anyone even know him?<br /><br />Joe<br><br>Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

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Posted By: <b>Ed Ivey</b><p>I thought it was a "them".

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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>We wanted to meet him to say hello at the National, but we never saw him.

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Posted By: <b>PAS</b><p>I repeat: why do we need to be having a discussion about this? Is it relevant to something? We get into some pretty o/t stuff here but this seems to be pushing the envelope. EDITED TO ADD JK, respectfully, if you are sorry to bring it up again, why did you?

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Posted By: <b>Andrew Parks</b><p>I met Bruce once.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I've known Bruce for 20 years and have gotten together with him numerous times.<br /><br />He really does have a nice collection with some really superb pieces. But as I have told him many times, he could find a kinder and gentler way to communicate on the board.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Barry,<br />Can you tell if he said why he does not do that?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>David- I just do not know why. I know some board members have asked Bruce some of these questions, but he has not responded.<br /><br />In the end, it's his call. I just can't speak for him.

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>A sad day Perry is that you feel the need to take a jab at a guy’s collection as he rolls out of the hobby, regardless of his reasons.<br /><br />I agree I don’t think we need an announcement, but we also don’t need your snide elitist remarks discussing your views of the current quality of the mans collection. <br /><br />“This is not life and death folks. "all this fuss over small group of low grade t206 cards" Correct.”<br /><br />The truly sad part is what a total lack of class you display with the above comment.<br /><br /><br />So what grade cards warrant an announcement and a sad day Perry? <br />

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Posted By: <b>PAS</b><p>I don't know Bruce but it seems the "we," the "whilst," and the refusal to answer questions or engage in dialogue are all part of his schtick. Whatever.

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Posted By: <b>Perry Eaves</b><p>I have decided to sell my collection of 1988 donruss cards. It is nearly a complete set (only missing the elusive ron gant rookie and a couple of puzzle pieces.)The Dale Murphy diamond king is a psa 3mc which will be thrown in for no extra charge. It isn't about the money. I have debated over the matter for several weeks and after some soul searching think it is the best move. I have even consulted the local priest. It is through a heavy stream of tears that I am typing this message.

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Posted By: <b>Bob Pomilla</b><p>Bruce has some competition.

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Posted By: <b>Tom Nieves</b><p>Perry Eaves: high roller or obnoxious newbie?<br /><br />You decide -- <a href="http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=jimmythejimmy&f tab=AllFeedback" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=jimmythejimmy&f tab=AllFeedback</a><br /><br />Tom

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>all better now???

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Posted By: <b>Chris Mc</b><p>Ut Oh, here comes another flock of wah wahs, wah wah wah. <br /> Joe Walsh <br /><br />Edited to add that this thread is weak, start to finish, including my post.

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Posted By: <b>Perry Eaves</b><p>I never claimed to be a high roller. The point is that this is not life or death and treating a collection of low grade t206 (that just happens to be what the collection is, nothing personal)like it is a life changing move is silly. Read the original post again. It is hilarious when taken for what it is. I will not respond any further and sincerely wish you all the best in life.

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Yet you took the time to read it and the time to post your 2 cents huh? <br /><br />Well glad to see you didn’t waste any of your time with this weak stuff, we should take a page from your book.<br />

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Perry, I agree with you that cards are cards nothing more. <br /><br />But to some folks it can mean much more. What gets under our skin is the fact you keep referring to people’s lower grade cards as “junk” etc. Surely even you can understand how insulting that can be to someone who perhaps can’t afford much more???<br /><br />Would you tell someone their kid painted like a retard, if they were proud parents displaying their child’s artwork? I agree you don’t need to open the kid a gallery or buy a few paintings for the house, but a little that’s nice and leave it at that isn’t so hard is it?<br />

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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>John -- you know, I'm trying to be angry with the le moderne Know Nothings that appear (frighteningly so) on this board, but your "Jim Backus as BD" photoshop image above just takes the indignation right out of a guy.<br /><br />That's funny stuff.

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Posted By: <b>Chris Mc</b><p>Hey John, I just want my ten minutes back. The thread should have been in the B/S/T I.M.O.<br /> Regards, Chris

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Let's forget about "armpit collector." Let's call Joe, Leon, and others the backbone of the hobby instead. It is a more fitting label. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter C.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Not sure any "one" is the backbone...I would never be...I just want to be a collector like the next guy...every now and then most everyone needs a break...some come back some don't....we'll leave the light on.....regards