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If your referring to probstein123 as "the dealer" then he deserves more than a questioning IMO. He can comment on this of all things but can't come here and reply to allegations of bidding fraud in his auctions. Why the intrest in this Rick? I think there is more than we know with this connection. This is just my opinion but something smells fishy. |
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http://forums.collectors.com/message...42&STARTPAGE=2 Will this stuff ever end? |
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I'm curious to know how this was all brought out into the open. Was it by the pack submitter or did someone blow the whistle on him?[/QUOTE] A litle before this thread was deleted the CU deleted another thread (unopened packs with stars on top) was also deleted now if Dan can recover that thread you'll find what got all this starded in page # 22 |
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jwgators beat me to it. :D
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Just trying to help solve the mystery...:)
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Also, what I don't understand is that Page 22 was written in 2010. There seems to be a time disconnect if this is all the sudden a scandal. What am I missing?
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51 years now,, my computer skills are limited, so is pretty impresive to me how some of you can pull a rabit out of a hat sort of speak, anyways the start like you see is in page 22 however the real kaos is in the next 2 or 3 pages |
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this thread was deleted because what is in page 23 and you don't have page #23 there you have page #22 twice you left the most important post out! |
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Dan can you give a synopsis for those of us who would rather jump in a lake than wade through 50 CU threads?:D
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And is this thought to be fraud or mistake?
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I don't think anyone knows for sure, but this happened in 2010 so I am a bit confused why this is being brought up in this thread.
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around all that's going on with these snippets of information. Like Dan Bretta said, it appears that 1973 Topps cello with a Mike Schmidt rookie was resealed with a newer wrapper from the mid-70s. That discussion took place in 2010 and nothing serious came of it since the thread went on to grow to a 127 pages through 2012. If you look at post #73 on this thread, there are links to a CU Thread where StarPaxMan is showing off an impressive selection of cellos. Unfortunately, the Google Cache feature didn't capture all the comments on the last several pages, but there was an open discussion even as late as last night regarding these cello packs as being "questionable". I guess the only connection between the two CU threads is that authenticating cellos is allegedly a losing battle. |
I have an idea! Ask fellow hobbyists to "donate" money to your cause. Your cause is to collect enough money to reimburse you for the fake packs that you will open on youtube and expose as fakes. In your videos which I am sure will get thousands of views, you can solicit more money to rip/ reveal more bogus packs. Gets u out of your predicament, helps the hobby and all is documented for the FBI report : )
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Just Another Day
Makes me glad I collect autographs rather than graded cell packs with stars on top, .....oh, wait
Makes me glad I collect high-end graded cards rather than cello packs with stars on top, .....oh, wait |
I believe the Schmidt thread was brought up because Jose used that cello as his impetus to begin manufacturing his own. My take was that the Schmidt cello infuriated him and he set out on a quest to prove to the hobby just how easy it was to fake unopened cello packs (aka, making straight cash homie!)
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under the bus sort of speak Paul wasn't a close friend but he was sombody that many times came over to compare notes when he saw me set-up at some shows, however it was what i saw in the net that didn't look right, all my friends told me to just look the other way, that i couldn't win against a big company, most people don't have any idea how big this is. |
Jose -- since obviously you are willing to talk about this, could you just take it from the top and explain what's going on? It's very hard to follow.
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Peter, I like your new avatar. Rope-a-dope for you is quite afropos. :D:D:D
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Didn't know the rule. I am dzolot - im on the cu boards and over 100k views on youtube for my vintage cards under dzolot - look me up and enjoy the videos!!!
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I know how Erin Brockovich felt as I am now the Star Pack Environmental Activist. Pepe |
Awful how you keep referring to yourself as a hero. Unless there was a con artist who faked sports memorabilia items somewhere in the Erin Brokovich movie.
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A "biggest fraudsters" thread would be great. Sure it would get ugly, but if someone in the hobby is ripping people off they deserve to be bashed in any and every way possible, IMO.
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If you don't think there is MASSIVE fraud on Ebay you are in denial. I harken back to a post about flea marketers and cards that am pretty sure I made on this board in 2007 . I personally witnessed a SHILL MILL in operation in Warren County Ohio back then. 10 people 30 ebay accounts , all bidding on their employers and friends of their employers auctions around the country. back then it wasn't just sportscards they were shilling either, it was jewelry, antiques, cars, boats, game systems, etc.... you name it they will sell it. - end of line |
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So has Jose ever explained this whole thing as requested?
If so I missed the explanation. |
Maybe it is, Maybe it isn't, but........
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Jose, As someone that purchased 5 or so graded packs from you, I find no humor in what you did, nor do I view you a hero, irregardless whether I bought fake packs or not. |
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People will fall on both sides of the conflict, and it's sad to see Matt go. Maybe Matt, and others, will find inspiration to come back when they see those who do bad be held accountable for their actions. |
Corruption is a fact of life, but IMO this hobby seems to attract a disproportionate amount of people who are allergic to an honest day's work.
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Corruption has been a part of this hobby for a very long time... in different forms, no doubt, but it has always been here - just as it’s been a part of sports.
It seems as if its a disproportionate because the hobby is a strong focus of our lives. Many of has have a lot vested in it in terms of $, time, and passion, so naturally everything seems greater than it is. As a teacher, I can tell you that the education system is equally corrupt.. I’m sure other hobbies deal with the same. If corruption is driving u out, maybe u were in too deep with the hobby to begin with... Spend time with family, and do other things that don’t involve the hobby. Matt, to be honest - I think this hobby still means something to you, as you’re still here posting after having sold off much of your collection. |
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I have nothing good or bad to say about Jose since there isn't clear, concise understanding about what has happened. |
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The packs that i was involved directly in altering that graded are still in my posetion,, i call them proof and think only 12 people will see'm So far there's no clear proof he sold fake packs. |
A few examples of hobby problems
All were publicized at the time.
And this is from a recent article I wrote for Sports Collectors Daily http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com...ck-a-long-way/ Rich |
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gum stain on back, and a tear that only okurs when the pack is opened, Matt Miller and others at the CU were persistant with their offers traying to buy it, but i couldn't sell it is an important part of my venture. Jose |
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Can you take a few minutes to explain, so we can be 100% certain of the story on this subject? I'm pretty sure we're all following along somewhat, but I'd appreciate hearing the whole story in your words. |
I've been trying to wrap my mind around this. Correct me if I'm wrong - Jose, are you saying you created bogus packs for the purpose of getting them past the graders at PSA (specifically Steve Hart) as an experiment to expose fraud... and are willing to risk incarceration as a result of said experiment? Am I understanding correctly?
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Still shaking my head. Wow. |
What I can't figure out is if Jose sold any of the packs. When reading the OP, it seems to me David is saying several of these packs were sold?
Jose can you clear that up for me? |
open the packs, have PSA grade them for free with their own flip 'real cards opened from fake packs'
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Jose, your dancing around questions is evasive. Your wording of your answers, and I am ASSuming, appears intentionally spun to tell your story the way you want to tell it. Or is it because you are not quite sure how to say it, I don't know. This whole thing is just wrong. I asked several pages back about your statement of sharing info with 12 people. If this is a thinly veiled reference to a jury, good luck. If this is a reference to a Grand Jury, what are you doing here? Either way, tell it straight or do us all a favor and take a week or so off... |
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Did you not sell a large number of packs to Muggyman and others?
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I was wondering about Muggyman the other day. What happened to that dude?
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I bought four or five PSA graded packs from Jose when I was in my pack collecting phase.
He would be the only one that could tell you whether they were "josemade" packs or authentic. Never doubted their authenticity because they were in PSA holders. My packs are long gone because I jump around on my collecting and sold my entire pack collection around a year ago. However, here is two links that might be worth a look. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-TOPPS-C...p2047675.l2557 http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...pack-309001126 |
This is certainly a fascinating thread.
After reading the whole thread my take on the translation of events is as follows. Pepis was a wax/cello pack dealer and expert. He allegedly knows the ins and outs and possibilities based on sequences and such. Pepis submitted a number of his own packs over the years to PSA for resale purposes. Throughout the course of time Pepis became disillusioned when he saw, what he thought were bad packs, in PSA holders. In order to test the system himself, he rigged up a bunch of bad packs on his own. They passed at PSA. He went public with PSA's authentication short-comings, based on evidence he planted himself into the system. Pepis kept those altered packs in his collection as evidence. In response, PSA placed an alert on ALL packs Pepis had submitted to them over the years.........leaving collectors he had sold to, holding the bag. I hope this is the case, and he hasn't actually sold any of his altered packs. |
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corruption and that included everything the GAI/Shaqfu grocery pack thing the x-mas racks the B.Kennert wax pack reconstracting and then the cello pack thing showed up, here is my 1st note, i did talk to some people about it, and then one or 2 of them alerted PSA and they called the FBI on me about 8 months ago they told me i'm to small of a fish to fry so i'm left trying to show the media it is a huge story. |
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Did not just get altered cards through psa but through all the grading companies including sgc and he posted proof on here with before and after pics.
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The problem is nobody ever grades the graders and when some finally does and exposes problems, the motives are typically framed with an evil intent. |
One simple question that may help clear up a lot of things...black or white....yes or no: Did Pepis ever sell an altered pack??
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If he responds and claims he did not sell altered packs will anyone believe it? |
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The most shocking thing I've learned in this thread is that there's a market for 70's-80's cello packs. :D |
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