They will take them down when it flows through their process( if they are bad). It is you who fell into wasting all your time on the same meaningless bs.

First, for Mark to be grouped with Travis is a Travesty for him because the later is the most disruptive, grating, irritating & unfeeling dope you'd ever want to meet. He should be banned on that alone.

Business owners have a right to do business with anyone they want. How's this analogy boy... If I had a hamburger stand and Big, dumb and stupid showed up and said he'd kindly pay tomorrow for a hamburger today, I'd spit my coke on him and tell him to get lost....Just like Heritage did.

Chuck not sure what you saying:D

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I was pretty sure I was banned from Heritage...they were not happy with me and the let it be known...I logged in recently and was surprised that I had not been banned. I even bid on an item and won it, so I know for sure that I am not banned. :D

Anyway why is Travis ignoring what Leon told him? He was told he would be banned if he emailed any Heritage execs and he did. That got him banned, so why is he on here telling us that he doesn't know why he got banned?

How does Coaches Corner treat you? Do they take the items down? Do they make corrections?

Coaches Corner finds reps who witnessed George Washington Private Signings and uses their LOA's. We call them the Valley Forgers

:D;):p:o:)

JimStinson
 

The guy in the boat 2nd from right does look VERY suspicious !!!!
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I am glad you made the comparison between heritage (auction house) and CC (???) and not me.

and actually they have made corrections, believe it or not, as funny as that sounds.

But heritage is an auction house like i have never seen. If you want to get brushed off, try to help heritage. This is my experience.

You know, it's funny that you mentioned this..

I love Heritage, I always have. I frequent it more than eBay, I have spent more than I care to share and I do not mind how they conduct their business in the slightest. As for Coaches Corner, I have only bid on an item ONCE.

Now, I have had only ONE problem with Heritage and ONE problem with CC in my history with both. Surprisingly, Coaches Corner was the one to resolve the issue while Heritage left a sour taste in my mouth:

I bought a 1986 Fleer Jordan PSA 8 from Coaches Corner (stupid, I know). When I got it in the mail I noticed the case had obviously been tampered with. Surprisingly, CC immediately refunded my money and took the item back. I was happy to break even on that one.

I once bought a "Complete" 1959 Fleer Ted Williams set from Heritage. It was NM and I spent over $1,000 for it. A lot for the set. Well, I get the set in the mail and I notice the "Ted Signs" card (a valuable SP) is a counterfeit. I email Heritage and the response I get was rather rude:

BTW the title of the auction was "1959 Fleer Ted Williams High Grade Complete Set (79)"

"The set you purchased was a 79-card complete set and clearly says so in the title. There is no mention of card #68 being included because it is not. As is the case with the short-print ’33 Goudey Lajoie the is considered complete without it because of its scarcity. Did you really think that a sports auction house would not have mentioned the most valuable card in the set? …nor include it in the imaged cards? As a counterfeit, the card has no value and was included just to fill the space and is just an extra card. Including an extra card is not grounds for a refund. We were well aware it was not a real card; we did not mention it as we felt it added no value. For grading, all cards in sheets are reviewed regardless if they are in the pocket alone or sheeted back-to-back. I am sorry but we feel you received exactly what was listed in the title and the description. In the future if you feel a description is in the least ambiguous, both catalog and monthly auctions offer a three to four week bidding period designed to answer any questions."


Stupid me, I didn't realize that "complete" meant "missing the most important card in the set" and that this set is universally known as "complete" while missing the most valuable card! Not to mention comparing 1959 Fleer #68 to the Goudey Lajoie is absolutely ridiculous!

By simply stating "79 cards", not "79/80" or anything like that is completely misleading. I now know there are 80 cards in this set.

Aside from the overall condecending tone, I also was rather insulted by the remark "Including an extra card is not grounds for a refund." Yes, thank you, that is why I was upset, because you had the generosity to include an extra card in your otherwise "complete" set.


For me, Heritage is a love/hate relationship. I find nothing wrong with their auction previews. I do however, find some issues with how they treat their customers. I have placed $100,000's worth of bids, it shocks me that such a small issue is handled so poorly on their part.

Jason

I made no comparison, I just wondered how Coaches Corner treats you and if they are receptive to your suggestions. I would think they would keep you much busier than Heritage, but I guess not because I never see you post about them.

Jason, did the final bid reflect what the set should have brought if it had included the real #68?

Also, the comparison of a single CC experience to a Heritage experience is very misleading. I know plenty of disreputable scammers who ALWAYS politely fix all complaints. What you are missing is they make their money off the people who buy fakes and are too ignorant to complain. You hear people here all the time stating that you don't judge a company by its mistakes, but rather by how it fixes them. Scammers feast on such philosophers.

I 100% agree. Like I said, I have bid on one item with CC and had one issue, while I have bid on 1000's of items with HA, but have had only one problem. I believe CC is the lowest of the low and I did not mean to compare them, it's just, while we were on the subject....

And to answer your question previously asked, yes. I bid an amount I thought was fair if #68 was included.

I see what you are saying.

Then that really sucks. I am certain that most of the auction houses try to create descriptions that are misleading (either with text or photos), in an effort to secure more for their consignors. I also believe that they think it's okay, as long as they are technically truthful, and they often use a large grey area when it comes to "technically truthful." That probably sounds like a bold statement, but I've dealt with three clear-cut examples, from three different auction houses, in the last year alone.

I look at it this way - if I buy something with a misleading description, and decided to sell it at some point, would I feel comfortable using the same description used to sell it to me? If the answer is "no", then I got screwed. In all three instance alluded to above, I would have had to be much more honest about the description than the auction houses were with me.

were the 59 Fleers graded?

I know exactly "0" collectors who consider the 1959 Fleer set complete @ 79 cards.

Can you send a link to the lot?

Wow...not sure I'd ever deal with them again if I were you...lots of places to find good stuff out there.

So true. I've dealt with quite a few fraudsters in my practice and the true pros will always quickly and quietly settle the dispute. They know that there are other suckers out there and it doesn't pay in the end to slug it out with the 10% who actually complain.

this is the type of email i have received.

the "you must be stupid" so bite me -type email. i was so stupid i didnt know how a big auction house works so they were forced to do it this way, put up the junk beforehand without checking out the items first. this is what they told me in not a nice way. very condescending but i think as it regards the sports department it comes from the top as a corporate attitude by the leader of that dept., that's their style.

In comparison I have never gotten an email, phone call from other auction houses that are like that, like Goldin or Leland's, which I find very professional, and it concerned me that Heritage would send out such unprofessional emails, so I stopped helping them because really what's the use if they treat customers like that?

Travis, like I posted on the other thread. Give it a week. Or just post ETC. We will all understand.:rolleyes:

Thank you, I'm okay, i am still waiting for them to come on here and explain, but like Jerry Glanville, former coach of the Atlanta Falcons, leaving tickets for Elvis at the will call window, it's a long shot.

Or, to use another analogy, you have as much chance of Heritage getting back to you as we have of Nash doing an expose on the Cooperstown Forger!

Ken

When you can prove that he is the Cooperstown forger you will be a hero. Until that time look at who works for Heritage and say HOF.:D
I just dont like saying things about people that you have no idea if it is true or not. Your analogy sucks.

Where did he say that Nash was the Cooperstown forger? He simply said that the odds were the same as Nash doing an expose on the Cooperstown forger. It is interesting that Mr Nash has never even mentioned it on his blog, don't you think?

Heritage putting up junk on their website for all to see. fake ALI
 

Away from the the original topic of this thread, I do find it pretty unsettling that Heritage would share information about a registered bidder with Leon. I am a registered bidder and active here and I certainly hope that my information would remain protected. Even something as simple as why Travis was banned is still info that should not have been shared with a third party.

Ditto. ZERO chance Nash writes an expose' on the Cooperstown forger.

What did that mention of Nash have anything to do but get you guys started again. It has been almost a month.
Dan dont be a total ass. You know exactly what Ken meant.:mad:

Technically, he is no longer a registered bidder, but I realize that wasn't the point of your statement. Keep in mind that Travis has been on here almost daily trumpeting how he was banned from bidding, giving his take on the reasons why, and daring Heritage to come on here and say otherwise. Heritage "sharing information" with Leon in this case is just them giving their side of the story. It's not like they also gave Leon his credit card number, home address, social security number, etc. I would consider it more along the lines of Leon fact-checking a story than Heritage purposely leaking a bidder's confidential information.

An update
 

I would just like to mention that Chris Ivy reached out to me personally and apologized for the email I posted above. He was more than helpful and was able to rectify the situation entirely.

Jason

Gee, you think where all dumb on this site. When do you ever come over here except to go after Nash.or anyone that questions the auction houses you love so dearly. I dont think for one second that there is on person that could not read into that message. If not, then they still must think the Wagner card is not trimmed.:)

Lance, not the point. If they want to say why Travis is out. They should do it. It is not up to Leon or anyone else to answere for them.

If Travis wants to play the martyr, who are we to get in his way.

WTF, Shelly! Dan posts here all the time--he's always sharing his collection and his new acquisitions.

(On the other hand, you've been doing little but fu*kin' up, lately. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?)

What?

"Doing little but fu*ckin' up lately?"

Please explain.

Eh, whatever, I post pickups in the monthly threads, ask questions about autographs, et cetera and I don't even really consider myself an autograph collector. As for the auction houses I love, post some examples of this "love" please. I may not be able to contribute in the same way you are, but I am here contributing more than just talk about your buddy Peter Nash.

There was no fact checking if leon isnt willing to share the "reason" heritage gave either. if its still a secret to everyone except heritage and leon, then why does leon need to know? I too find it in bad taste to share account holder info. I still don't know the real reason i was banned, so leon gets to know? why not tell me?

I guess the same goes for "The Planet."

My registration was refused, but I'd sure like to know why Mrs. Roste refused me being a member.....

You were told not to email any execs at Heritage and you did...that got you banned. Either your comprehension sucks or you are being obtuse. Which is it?

Dan, you are as big of an ass as I thought. No one on this thread is my buddy except three people who I respect. By the way when you are you twenty you have buddy"s when your 73 you have friends. When your my age you also knwo when some one is really full of shit.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

I was not told anything of the sort. CEO's and executives are there for the customers, COMPLAINTS AND ALL. I only sent one email to the chairman, it wasn't a campaign like jonathan said. So they aren't being forthright. You don't know anything about it, were you there? You and Leon are now spokesmen for Heritage?

funny I got banned around the same time as the other chaps. Mark O. didn't email the execs, what did he do? He was asked to call Heritage, and he got brushed off, with no explanation. You got a convenient excuse for him too?

This is exactly right. I can talk about what I want about Heritage, I am the customer, but they are the professional company. I can share what I say to my doctor with anyone, but they can't share what they say to me with anyone at all. If Leon goes to the pharmacy and they refuse to fill his prescription, he can come here and ask why and say what he wants, but I as a third party, moderator or not, can't go to his pharmacist and ask why and get an explanation from the pharmacist as to why Leon's prescription was refused.

IF you say that they only relayed an explanation as to why I was banned to Leon, not customer information like credit cards, etc. then would it be okay if an auction house told a third party about what lots you bid on, that you bid on three mantles, a gretzky, and an ernie banks? Is that okay? That's not personal identification information? When does it end. We all know that no other auction house would do what Heritage does, talk to others about account holders. Ask around, right now, ask the other auction guys here if they would do that.

It's called being a professional company, they should try it sometime.

What?!? No transparency?!? No free and open exchange of ideas?!? No detailed explanations of why determinations were made?

You mean Travis and his pals do he same thing they loudly and chronically criticize others for? :eek:

Say it ain't so.

Yep, it is so.

I was not given a reason why my membership was rejected by Mrs. Nora Roste.

No explanation. Nothing.

Sorry, I meant your friend, Peter Nash.

They already have Todd Mueller - they don't need any more guys who know autographs.

Scott, that seriously cracked me up!!!!!

I really want to know why you would think that Nash is my friend. It would be like me saying Travis is like a brother to you. I read what he writes and believe a lot of what he says is true. If that makes him my friend then you use that word very loosely. Friends are people that I have full trust in. Like when you write about how great the auction houses are.:rolleyes:

Eh, whatever...I could be mean, but you're a pretty easy target so I won't.

Really, please do mention that over 14 years ago I was arrested for forgery. I have never said anything but that fact. That is why I trust just a few people and you are so petty that you would never be one them.:
I always find it amazing when people have nothing to say excepet bull shit that is how you attack.
You found it really discusting that Nash would bring up Leon. You made it clear whether you said it or not. At least Nash had the balls to say it.
Your are a very small person.

Wow, I kinda remember that. "Shelly's Cards" or something like that from Southern California??? That's you??? Your the guy who convicted of selling forged autographs and did some prison time???

Yes, and you are problably the only person on this site that did not know it. Know that you do does that change anything.:confused:

Well, I doubt I'm the only person who didn't know, but I am pretty new to the board. As far as "changing anything" goes, I'm not sure what you mean by that...

Don't worry about it, Dan. Shelly's got a great big chip on his shoulder regarding his past.

Dan not a thing. I just noticed that you just came on to the board. Most everyone knows my past Did not mean to jump down your throat.:)

Not a problem Shelly. I spent the vast majority of my adult life dealing with convicted felons whose crimes were much more serious than some small time white-color stuff. I can pretty much take anything that comes my way...

Well, I wasn't going to be that mean...I was thinking more along the lines of your obvious comprehension problems and the fact that you continually have to apologize for misunderstanding. You jumped down my throat a month or so back for something you totally misunderstood, and I'm guessing your continuing animosity towards me is because you still don't understand that I wasn't putting you down.

As far as Nash goes, I was hammering him in this forum long before he mentioned Leon in one of his blog posts. Your Pavlovian defense of Nash is why I call him your buddy. It's quite obvious you guys are pals, you don't have to deny it.

Dan dont you think you react to everything that Nash says just like a puppy when you ring the bell for food. I would rather have a problem tying to comprehen what you say than be a lap dog for all your auction houses. I have never met Peter Nash but I find him a lot more entertaining than you.
I apoligize when I am wrong. That is why you dont see me saying I am sorry about anything I say about you.

It's common to get slammed on here for liking anything hos has on their site. they jump on you for being a pal or buddy or whatever of hos or nash, this is to deflect from the stories he's uncovered, stories you won't find in the hobby publications, the stories they don't dare run. Trying to paint someone guilty by association or trying to embarrass someone to stop information or criticism from getting out is deplorable and a version of that is what they did in the 1950's on a much bigger scale and you know what it was called. It is practiced with one of its goals to stop or restrict dissent/criticism.

If someone doesn't like hos or nash, fine, no problem, but to point to others and say you can't read, believe, enjoy, or agree with what is posted less you be the "bad guy" is ridiculous and it should stop. I disagree with several on this board, but never tell them they can't be acquaintances or friends with whoever they want, i never tell them shouldn't believe whatever they want, I only tell them when I believe they are wrong or disagree with their opinion. But hos touches a nerve so you get the firing squad every time you mention them.

What I don't understand is if people have a problem with what HOS writes, simply rebut and provide your argument against what he writes if what he is writing is incorrect. When I call out a boxing autograph and say that abc or xyz wrongly authenticated something, I provide proof, show side by side and dissect, analyze the differences to prove my point, but I don't see anti-hos people doing that. It is always shoot the messenger.

Are you sure the cards were not graded
 

by a TPG. The reason I asked, was out of curiosity, I went to the Heritage Site this morning to check on your story. They had 85 completed auctions for 1959 Ted WIlliams and the only items which may have been over $1000 were sets which were in TPG holders. If so, then a higher price makes sense.

Here is a link to Heritage's 1959 Ted Wililams listings. You do need to sign in and be registered.

http://www.ha.com/c/search-results.z...r+ted+williams

And I will tell you that in old sets and modern sets the SP card is not always considered part of the complete set. Instead that becomes part of a master set.

Rich

This is hilarious coming from someone who does not allow any dissent at all on his own website. Why won't you allow Chris or Steve to sign up for your forum? You ever had a post on Net54 deleted? Have you ever been silenced here? You've overplayed your McCarthyism card, time to turn to Nazi Germany.

Travis, do you refute the White Betsy columns? They were laid out very convincingly with proof.

Ken

You still have provided not one single cite proving I'm a lap dog for the auction houses. Richard Simon tried this tactic on me too until I provided links of my criticism of pretty much all of them...he apologized for being wrong.

Shelly,
I have been here a long time, a long time.
Dan is NO lap dog for the auction houses.

Jeff

And FWIW it's worth, until Mr. Nash deals with his own transgressions in the same way he deals with everyone else's he will be viewed with a jaded eye by many, many people. That doesn't make what he says right, wrong or indifferent - it's just the way it is.

Travis, the above statement is b.s. - not only is no one deflecting from his stories, much of the information in his stories was plagiarized directly from this site;e.g-the Brooklyn Atlantics cdv stuff.

I agree with the above, but it's mostly just a straw man scenario. The association some people here actually make is that you are a "bad guy" if you support and defend Nash. That's quite different from the situation you describe.

Just to clarify, I have never attempted to sign up and have no interest in doing so.

I was simply relaying the information that Chris and one other (credible) person I know have attempted and were denied.

And I suspect much of what he writes is relayed to him from people who frequent Net54 but don't want to put it out there themselves. Thus his penchant for "Sources say..." type journalism.

it's funny that the biggest problem people have is that its nash reporting and not the actual stories, because 99% of the complaining of hos has nothing to do with the actually articles and stories written. They don't like the reports so they shoot the messenger. If the reports are so objectionable then refute them. But people don't, they spend the time on Nash bash, it's so stupid. If SCB and Beckert did their job as hobby publications they would sometimes report on the hobby's shortcomings but they can't do that because of advertising and loyalties. they couldnt even kick off roach's corner off of their own ads for years but they are going to report on stolen hof and fake autographs, cards? there is no way. hos is filling a gap and some don't like it, but can't refute the material so they find others ways to divert so we get "let's tar and feather the guy who reports it. dumb. how about we help find the stolen material, keep them from being auctioned off and return them to the HOF and the New York and Boston PL system? Think that might work?

Travis, in your honor, I only read the first two sentences of the above, and also in your honor, I won't respond directly to any of it.

I really wish everyone would communicate with you the same way that you communicate with us. Then you would see how frustrating and worthless such discourse is.

You have a lot of knowledge, but no desire for two-way communication, and that's a shame.

The whole thread started over heritage with two dumb ali signed photos and they are still up after well over a week of heritage being aware of it. that doesnt concern anybody but hos does. all roads lead to rome and all threads lead to hos.

Travis, one more thing, and this might help illustrate the point several of us have tried to make:

I have been to your 'Autograph Planet' website. I have also been to HOS. I go to HOS rarely, but there are times when a search brings it up and I can't help myself, and so I read the information presented. It's often very helpful information, but I will not follow HOS regularly because of who the messenger is.

Basically, I sometimes LIKE the message, but I don't respect the messenger - that's exactly the opposite of what you claim we do.

Are you understanding yet how helpful it would be for you to actually read what we write here?

Your site, on the other hand, has very little that interests me. So basically, I don't dislike the messenger (you), but the content doesn't do anything for me so I rarely go there. integrity is important to some of us. You might be an angry guy who doesn't listen, but you are honest and go about your business honestly (I assume). Nash was dishonest, and as far as I know, he still is. So you get a chance, he doesn't. It's pretty simple.

He reads it.

http://sports.ha.com/c/video.zx?src=...rgeries-072811

check it out, this is rich, 1:55 mark,

yeah i have seen some forgeries too, right on your boxing listings, two muhammad ali operation bullpen fakes you have known about for several days now, how about taking them off?

oh man!

Bidding for the item in the link starts in October. I'm sure HA is waiting for some TPA to tell them it is good or bad before taking further action. From the history being presented in this thread, it seems the one thing that certainly WON'T happen is that they take it down based on your word.

And, no, this doesn't really concern me on any level.

I'm apologizing to Shelly...I certainly can take my sarcasm and online meanness too far and I did that in this thread and for that I am sorry.

Two nice guys.

It's amazing to me how much better the entire autograph sub-forum is doing lately. Up until recently I think I've had at least one fight with everyone here, except maybe Travis, who refuses to fight with me :)

Travis Roste and his wife Nora Roste won't even explain why they rejected my membership over at "The Planet," but at the same time Travis is free to express his views here on Net54.

But obviously over at "The Planet" those unwritten rules of free expression are not allowed by Travis & Nora Roste.

Chris a bit of advice leave Nora out of this. Your feud is with Travis you know I am not trying to come down on you Chris, but just consider what I said and I know you will see it more clearly.

Nora Roste is the owner, James.

The following is posted on her (AutographPlanet) website:

If you ever have any concerns about the site, please let me know as I am the chief in charge of the show.

So did Mrs. Roste reject my membership, or was it rejected on the advice (or demand) from Travis or Todd Mueller?