The kind of basic research any news organization should be doing before the first article was printed or TV interview was aired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOzAgpxg5wE

when you trust too much in hearing something on TV or the Internet
my 8 9 year old daughter just says "Bonjour"

This Wagner story reminds me of that commercial

This "news" service really did lack any investigative journalism. I still believe they jumped on a craigslist fad and didn't bother to do any more research since the owner was an expert with a "40 year old card" in his collection. :rolleyes:

This really does have the same feeling as the Edwards-Cobb card. An obvious fake with a delusional (or con artist) person trying to state that it is real when everyone that knows prewar cards can spot that it is a fake. Then a news agency reports on the finding and struggles of the owner. All the while everyone with knowledge is screaming at them that it is a fake.

+++1. The buyer seems like a great guy, but do you really sell an authentic Wagner in that venue, rather than through REA, Goodwin, etc., with an appropriate reserve? What legitimate seller would let one go for that price?

It would, however, be wonderful to see fate smiling down with such tremendous intensity on a good guy in a screwed up world! I hope it happens.

Best wishes,

Larry

In reality what was the last undiscovered Wagner to suddenly appear in the market? Not an instance like the Nun Wagner that was already a known commodity in a secret collection, but I true "I have no idea what I have here" appearance. Got to be what? Early 80's? I'm sure there might be a handful of secret Wagner's hiding in unknown collection, but the idea of a new example magically appearing in a dusty attic is just a fairy tale and will with most certainly never happen again in my eyes.

I'm searching for the Holy Grail.

We've already got one. It's very nice.

I told him we've already got one!

Laughter behind the wall. :)

For the most part, reporters aren't bright enough to read the news,
 

much less research it.

My wife and I have been interested in penny flooring for some time. Found a news item on youtube about a woman in New York, who the reporters said had $30,000 in pennies invested in her floor.

Hummmmm.... there are 225 pennies in a square foot. That would mean her kitchen was 13,333 square foot.

Later, in an article on their website, the station corrected themselves, saying they realized that while she may have said she had $30,000 in pennies invested in her floor, the eight foot by 12 foot kitchen actually had only 16,000 pennies (counting cupboards taking space) at a cost to her of $160.

$30,000 vs. $160. My favorite part was it was a Fox station that had the report. Never known for getting any facts right.

He is not a great guy. I caught him in numerous lies which the news station removed from Facebook. First he said he got it last month, but the auction ended on the 7th. Then he said he spent 300 hours examining the card through a loop, when he hasn't even had the card 300 hours, then he changed it to 100 hours. He said it was an 87 year old man just trying to get rid of cards and didn't care about the money. He said he offered the man $200 on the phone. If that is the case and he was sure it was real, he tried to screw an old man out of thousands of dollars by taking advantage of him not knowing. Also this old man trying to get rid of his collection purchased this reprint on 7/6 for $59. He has stated that he was a professional card grader, then he refers to the cards edge as "the rim" of the card. He stated that it has been authenticated and had paper testing done, then he says a pawn shop owner and some guy that does lithographs authenticated it. Then he told the news that he will be having authenticated later. He attempted to sell this card on craigslist first. Then when it didn't sell he contacted the news about this. Again trying to screw someone. He is trying to use the news to legitimize this card. Here are some of his quotes from Facebook that were removed.
Yeah reprints are sold online but unless you have held an authentic Wagner then don't comment...trust me...been collecting 35 years and have hundreds of t206 cards...I know what a reprint is!!!have u spent 300 hours researching and mag ifying this card and printing and everythih...please don't comment unless u know....not what u think u know...only true way is to have card in your hand a d do all the test period!

Amazing card only 57 in world. Was authenticated today at 100 percent authentic

Honestly why would u even comment.....couple hundred t206 cards 35 years experience and you make a judgment from a picture....only way to authentic it is lots of test...you judge when u don't even know....did u know I was a card grader??????????hmmmmmm.....

You gathers can hate all you want....do your research I am a card expert....card grader...thanks everyone for the nice post but remember this to everyone who thinks its a fake....special print testing was done....paper testing....did you check rim of card??? You can't unless you have it in your possession....none of you are card experts and none of you grade cards for a living??? You cannot make a judgment unless u have the card! I am sure none of you have graded card! None of you have t206 card collections! Hmmm does any of you know there is a 26 card inspection...probably not! That's what the problem with world now days people sit back and judge off one photo? Do u know why card was listed as reprint no you don't??? Go figure life out....its a shame when something good comes to someone people like u have nothing better to do them judge what u don't know!!!! All you card experts think that you can determine validity of card from a photo. Keep your opinions to yourself unless you know the facts!

This guy is Scum. Plus from his rantings filled with awful grammar, I would venture to guess he isn't too bright either.

Also if you watch the original video he says he is out of work and that he lost his job because he has had multiple back surgeries. But in this article http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines...275383891.html

He says he works in the warehouse of a food bank. he is trying to prey on the sympathy card. I would bet that once it is proven fake they will try and do some fundraising to help out this poor out of work man that was fired because of his back injuries. This is a scam by a con man.

Big foot found news at 11 .

Omg tulip bulb mania

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121436850891...torefresh=true


Let's play what could they have bought instead.... I'll start, a psa 1.5 cobb t205

Two PSA 1 Titus, or 10 PSA 4 commons.

a super rare t206 with no name on the bottom!:p

Pete, I hope you aren't selling yours already.

i was merely playing the game!

I was curious if any news outlet ever acknowledge their mistake in running a story of a guy buying a fake when I ran across his brother's FB page that states "Everyone say a prayer for my brother! He will know if he has a real honus Wagner card worth up to $2,000,000 by 8:00am!" This was posted on the 18th. So Friday, the 19th, it seems Jason Mars should have had his answer. Yet there hasn't been a mention since the 17th. You would think that if it was real the news would be all over the answer that came in on the 19th "by 8:00am". :rolleyes:

Wow so his brother's post got me curious and found that Jason Mars has listed an auction on ebay purely to try and advertise this fake card:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-Topps-N...item2a43c7f6be

Also on top of that he was spamming the news agencies (along with ESPN) about the card prior to someone finally picking up the story. He was posting:

...And anyone who thinks he is just a poor sucker that doesn't know what he is doing here is the evidence that he buys reprints to resell:

Bought Aug 18th a Gehrig listed as a reprint for $10.50:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-LOU-GEH...item1e9026c6f0

Then sells the same card Sept 6th missing any info about it being a reprint for $48.50:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Baseball-car...p2047675.l2557

but he's such a nice guy?!

There's suspense about this?! :rolleyes:

Interesting. I guess we have two winners here... the original eBay seller who got close to $200 for a reprint, and PSA who got some coin for the grading fee (isn't the fee $500 for a card of this magnitude?).

Suspense or not I find it very interesting.
Great detective work.

I never understand how these clowns think that they can sell a "Wagner" for $500,000 without any documentation. Do they think that everyone is as stupid as them?

When I said "they" I was including Cobb + Edwards.

Wish I could have been there when the "local experts" were looking at it. Would love to see their method of authentication.

This card is as fake as Dolly Parton's tits. I hope someone reaches out to this buyer before he goes on a crazy spending spree.

Not mad about the news coverage though, any exposure to vintage cards is good exposure.

Seriously? I really thought her boobs were real? I mean I really did?

Keepin it classy!

update
 

Well Jason mars has now deleted his facebook account. On this someone from blowout called sgc to inquire about the card. Their response... "Yeah we got it. It was a terrible fake" looms like his scam didn't work and he is now trying to dissapear.

I'm sure he'll resurface with a new ebay account and some more crappy reprints. :mad:

Andy, in all fairness, consider who he's talking to. Some random news guy. The average tv viewer has maybe heard of the T206 Honus Wagner, the Gretzky Wagner. And that's probably about it. To a non hobbyist, a 40 year old card seems old.

I have a binder full of shiny modern cards. I get excited by 40 year old cards. My 1973 Topps Roberto Clemente is one of my favorite cards. I'm collecting the 1975 Topps set in high grade.

And I have pre-war cards. :)

http://imageshack.com/a/img540/6529/vmRKZs.jpg

"Yeah, we've got a word for "that old man wanted to give away a $400,000 baseball card for $200" kinda odd in the English language. It's called suspicious."

Dolly Parton - Not Real??? Seriously???

Guys - I ve looked at em with a loupe and they ARE real...........

Those are the kinds of things you really need to get a feel for. Hold them in your hands. Get a sense for now they feel to better judge if real or not. Tough to tell from a photo.

Know what I mean?

Tom C

Quick! Send it off to ACA for authentication!!! :D

May be AKA .

Well you can still buy it from of Craigslist:

http://reno.craigslist.org/clt/4666936243.html

Never heard of AKA but ACA was the grading company that graded the Cobb-Edwards Wagner. ;)

And .... if you go to their web site and search their pop report for Wagner you now get the following message:

"Trading card removed from the database after review. The latest analysis shows that the cyan ink used to print the card dates from the 30s".

i should have said AKC as in the American Kennel Club for that dog of a card

Edit: Never mind.

Just an update, speaking to the reporter, mars gave the reporter permission to contact sgc to find out what happened, then he quickly took that permission away and refuses to allow sgc to speak to the reporter covering the story. He is still selling it on craigslist and claiming it to be 100% real. Isn't that fraud?

He is already a proven scammer, I hope the new outs him for it:

i just reported the craigslist listing
 

to the Reno Nevada police department. Maybe others should do this as well. I let them know this was not just an ordinary fake baseball card but that it's value if real was hundreds of thousands of dollars. I gave them the info of SGC where the card was submitted so they could give them a call.

We told the news guy abouth that other reprint as well. He is aware of that too. This may get interesting.

Tonto said it best: "What do you mean “we”, Paleface?"

There is a few of us from blowout providing info to the reporter.

Are you referring to the messages on Facebook (in response to him bragging about doing the story in 3 hours)? If so that was me that notified him.

I also emailed all the people in in the "contact us" list from the news station. Which I suggest everyone do. I know this is just another thing that is obvious to us collectors, but this story showed a total disregard to investigative reporting.

Yup, buit he was told via pm before that.