Please explain how this theory works in relation to the position of the card on the sheet and the cutting process. This should be interesting. :rolleyes:

Ummm, no. I'm not comparing the cards. I'm comparing the circumstances in which the cards were "pulled".

Do tell....please share how these two events are so closely related.

Once again, you're not reading all the posts. I already shared how how they're related in post #76. But, to save you time, let me say it again in this post. Both events involve the opening of a pack, and a card that wasn't original to the pack being inserted into the results so that it looks like it came from the pack. Both are an attempt to deceive in order to bring attention to one's self.

Is it odd to open a pack that has 19 cards that are off centered? I would think that atleast some of the cards would not be off centered. Is it possible that he bought this unopened pack that was once opened?

Both events involve opening a pack............the rest seems like speculation to me.

We've all opened packs that have had both centered and off-centered cards in them.

Since neither of us were there, aren't we both speculating?

Again, believe what you want to. I really don't care.

OK

I don't have a dog in this fight and I hope he really did pull that Clemente from the pack. I don't spend any time at all on CU or any board where people rip open packs of 86 Fleer, 79 OPC, or even older cards like 55 Topps cellos, but I do see that people make a big deal of ripping open this kind of product on Youtube so I was curious as to why someone would not document the opening of a $2,000 pack of cards.

Either way it's an incredible card, and it's been a fun story to follow along with.

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Dan---if you give me a shipping address I would send you an 86 Fleer pack so you can get a CU feel. It's just another sports cards board. No better No worse.

I am not sending you my 55 Topps wax pack. Nor am I opening it. Whatever is in it will not be nearly as good as what I think could be in it. But if I do ever open it, I will be sure to record it :).

I had an unopened 1959 Topps 1 cent pack for a while. I always wanted to rip it and see what was inside. I did figure out though that if you held it to a bright enough light you could see the card inside. Let's just say I was glad I didn't open it.

For what it's worth, the same guy who claims to have pulled the Clemente also claims to have opened a 1981 Donruss wax box (36 packs) and pulled 27, yes I said 27 Tim Raines RCs. 3 out of every 4 packs contained a Raines RC. Amazing! People can draw their own conclusions about the guy and believe what they want to.

Anybody know him on a personal level? I'd like to send him an '88 Topps wax pack and see if he can pull a '52 Mantle for me :rolleyes:

91 Topps was the one that had the buy backs.

Yeah, I know, but with this guy's luck I think he could do it with '88

Not saying whether or not I think this story is true, but 81 Donruss had some abominably horrific collation issues if I remember correctly.

I never opened any, but I'm sure they did and will take your word for it. But 27 of the same card? 3 out of every 4 packs containing the card?

print mark is pretty bad IMO. Don't know how the grading companies would see it, but it ain't all that.

Like someone else said, probably a PSA 7 (PD).....still a nice card that will command alot of attention if/when he wants to sell it.
The Clemente has heated up substantially in a short period of time.

ttt..

For someone that doesn't care, you sure are making a big deal out of it. JMO
James

Nah, I just find it entertaining how gullible some people are.

Oh yeah? What about Building 7? :D

Yes, '81 Donruss did have horrible collation. I don't recall that it was 75% one player horrible, though.

The Clemente pulled from the pack graded a PSA 6.
James

Well, that is better than the 7 (PD) it SHOULD have gotten.

Pulling a large quantity of a particular 1981 Donruss card actually is not that unusual. The collation from that brand & year was very poor. Some packs would have 2 or even 3 of the same card/player.

Has the guy ever lost on a pack, or does he strike gold on every single break?

just stating facts from the ripper:

apparently the pack fresh 6 has been sold and to another board member to help pay for med school bills. just stating what was posted.


who sells a clemente rc they just ripped outta a 60 year old pack...especially one w/ that centering?

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Again why mention the reason for selling......if they need to sell in a day or so or have a specific timeframe they HAVE to sell it..maybe it would make sense..but spare me the reasons whether real or fake

Spends $2,000 on an leap of faith unopened pack of cards. Has to make quick sale to pay for med school. Heh.

Right? Big leap of faith when "money is tight" (his own words).

I know I always gamble when money is tight. It's a winning combination on how to be even more broke.

LOL, That's a fact. When you don't need $ it comes easy but when you need it you never win.

and for my next trick:

I will pull a 51 mantle outta................my ass.

definitely has a slight pd, butt what a pull.

who wants to buy it? premium for board members. i have proctology bills to pay.

ta-dah.

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You missed his thread where he bought one of those X-mas stocking with an unopened 52 pack, never took possession after authenticity called into question, and had Leland's resell it.

Doubt he would have pulled a Mantle out of that one, but you never know

ted,

i do remember that one! supposedly found in an ol pharmacy/general goods store with a letter signed by the old store owner or something...

was that the same guy?

i'm the eternal optimist and would root for anyone opening a 55 pack to pull 2 mays and a clemente, but if he's done it several times before (gretzky, etc) why would he not video the thing?