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You didn't realize that once you hit fifty your ability to discern btw those things that are exciting and boring goes into steep decline? :D |
It isn't so much the game, as it is the attention span of people in general. It's become so short that people can't sit at a stop light without checking facebook on their phone. Football only plays 16 regular season games, catering to weekend sports fans who probaly couldn't tell you a thing about the nuances or history of the game. Basketball is about the "show". They haven't called travelling since the 50's. It's gotten to the point that it isn't that you score but how spectacular the basket is. Baseball is on the opposite end of the spectrum, it's chess, a sport to be studied and savoured. It gives you time to think between plays with numerous ways to score. A 1-0 game can be as exciting as a 9-8 game. Both basketball and football over engineer their rules to encourage excessive scoring. Defence in both sports is on the endangered list. In baseball both offence and defense can be appreciated. Baseball for the most part isn't over engineered, it has a certain dignity, the sport is just fine the way it is,it's everybody else that's wrong.
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Bryce Harper, at 22, sounds like a Prima donna: a person who thinks she or he is better than everyone else and who does not work well as part of a team or group. He complained about people not being able to express themselves. Is this baseball or theatre? His teammates heard him tell the world that they're boring and, while still mounted upon the stallion with which he travels through life, proceeded to name names of the current great ones (forming a posse) who are withheld the opportunity for emotional outburst, all the while pointing the finger at the annointed one: himself. He should've praised his teammates and verbalized gratitude for the few years he's played. Maybe he should sit down with Tiger for some knowlege.
No prima donna will change baseball. I understand about not missing an at-bat for a hot dog, but that's a FAN perspective. His comment was from a player perspective and was an effort to bring fans into his posse along with other prima donnas. quite frankly, he sounds like he's spoiled and has been for quite a while. ----------------- |
the last two posts, #82 and #83, might be the most thoughtful written comments I've seen on this board in a long time. And their back-to-back. Nicely written gents.
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Regarding this 'new' world of baseball, there are two specific things that bother the living sh_t of me:
1. The second a pitched ball touches the dirt, it is immediately thrown out of the game by the umpire. This is baseball. It's played in the frickin' dirt, yet they insist that each ball has to be absolutely perfect with nary a blemish on it so the batter isn't at a disadvantage??!! Next thing you know, each player will receive a therapeutic massage, apricot scrub and tea service in the on-deck circle. Come on MLB!!!!!!!!! 2. Pitchers who come into the game with their hat brims perfectly flat and straightened with no curve to them whatsoever. Some of these d-bags even shift the hat a little so it's not properly aligned on their head, having the brim off to the side. I don't care if I'm rooting for their team, the moment one of these guys appears on the mound I hope they get lit up and sent to the showers!!!!!!!!! |
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Another uniform style that I cannot stand, pants that are too long, showing no sock/stirrup. As a SF man, I feel I should take some responsibility for this because Bonds was one of the early ones to do it, and think he may have been the first who had that stupid little loop at the pant bottom that could flip around the spikes at his heal, and keep his pant bottoms down. |
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The good ole days, Sid Bream and company, teamwork at its finest and no primas: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FgjIVvEQo_o
Irish, that made me giggle, thanks. I'm 40 and have never heard a 22 year old's opinion and found it to be strong in context (intellectual is possible) at least since I was 22. Weak in wisdom, yes. And exceptions are not given to wealthy kids who can swing a wooden club better than most, but its great we can still have an opinion sometimes. Respectfully |
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I put my hat on with a curved bill. My son has the flat bill. I try to bend his, he gets mad. And vice verse. It's a generational thing. And yes, it bugs the heck out of me as well especially when the bill is off to the side.
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Yes, Harper is tremendously talented. But, I'll take Trout over Harper every day. The Nats are my beloved home team, but quite frankly, the only time I root for Harper to do well is when the team is in desperate need for his production. It is said that there is no "i" in "team," but I suspect Harper thinks there is! I'm not opposed to a bit more celebration and emotion being shown by MLB players, so long as it doesn't directly show up the opposition and doesn't begin to approach the level we see with the NBA and NFL. Mostly, I'd like to see the game speeded up a bit more. I wonder how much total game time is consumed by batters adjusting their batting gloves, seemingly after every pitch - a simple solution to this would be to outlaw batting gloves. Val |
If the Nats are tired of Harper, well my Indians would happily take him off your hands.
Harper is great for the sport, same for Bautista - that bat flip will become legendary. We need more color, not less. |
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That being said, Mike Trout, Andrew McCutchen and Buster Posey are only a few years older than Bryce Harper. They carry themselves completely differently on the field. Yet they are still part of the same generation. My point is that I don't think Bryce is wrong when he says we should modernize the game. But my other point is that Bryce is a douchebag and so it's hard to take his thoughts seriously when he sets such a douchey example for the rest of his generation. |
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color me shock that on a primarily pre-ww1 baseball board people are oppose to the rich, spoiled, out of touch modern superstar who wants to make the game more fun for everyone. let's go to the beckett super refractor board for their thoughts...i'm sure their opinions mirror this board. |
There's a becket super refractor board?
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Everyone keeps bringing up Bautista. Does no one remember why he flipped his bat? He'd just given his team the go-ahead and eventual lead that would send them into the ALCS and have him playing for the pennant. If you can't celebrate that, what can you celebrate? It wasn't just some routine homer in a mid-June game.
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A friendly reminder from the fun police:
OK, team. You've just recorded the final out and won the World Series. Please form an orderly line and proceed to the pitcher's mound for post-game celebratory handshakes. No running, jumping, or yelling, please. Remember, it's just a game and public displays of emotion are strongly discouraged. :eek: ETA: After a round of stale, scripted press conferences, participation trophies will be awarded to both teams at the league sanctioned ice cream social. |
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If You Watched that game, & I did! You would of been Well Entertained, fur sure! The Most Screwed up inning I've Ever Laid Eyes On!!! That Bat Flip was Completed Warranted... In the Moment Aye!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofS09rcM-_Q |
Why isn't anyone scolding Hank Aaron for his absurd, showboating trot after he hit 715? Or how about when McGwire broke Maris' record and hugged his family? Don't these people have class. Or what about that ridiculous trot Ripken took around the field when he broke Gehrig's record? Enough already, prima donna, we're playing a game here!
The point I'm trying to make is that in my opinion it's perfectly fine to celebrate a moment worth celebrating and it's usually easy to tell when those moments happen. If you can't celebrate those moments, what can you celebrate? There should be some wiggle room and I agree no one wants to see baseball devolve into football, but a little fun never hurt anyone either. |
this new guy and his showboating disrespecting the game...he's no joe dimaggio that's for sure. i don't know if he's gonna work out.
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The NBA is the worst. Every free throw, even the missed ones. Ridiculous.
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Not much showboating in the NHL, but then again, you can't knock someone's teeth out and get just a five minute timeout in the other sports.
The "look-at-me" generation takes their cue from ESPN. Personally, I don't understand why a basketball team doesn't take advantage of the 5 on 4 while Slamakahn Dunker is mugging for the camera. If you want to stop the WR from gesturing 1st Down, stop him short of the marker. Want Cam to stop doing the Dab, keep him out of the endzone (see Denver). Reggie Jackson hotdogged it. He sat a few times, too. I miss the days when baseball used to be able to police itself. Too many ESPN-primadonnas feel that they progress their manhood and have to rush the mound or pop off when they get old-schooled. Bring back Bob Gibson and Don Drysdale and Willie Mays. And there was fun, too. Willie Montenez and Tito Fuentes certainly cut the pie. Mariano Rivera, Derek Jeter, Paul Goldschmidt and Mike Trout certainly show(ed) that you can still play the game and can be exuberant without taking it over the top. But that's just MOO (my opinion only) and YMMV (your mileage may vary). |
The bat flip has one purpose - to show up the pitcher/opposing team. It's rude and arrogant. I honestly see no difference between the bat flip or if Bautista had shot the finger at the pitcher/opposing bench. It sends the same message.
Celebrating? There's a difference between celebrating the moment and showing up the other team. The bat flip is meant to show up the other team. Kirk Gibson didn't flip his bat, he celebrated by pumping his arm a few times. Big difference. It's a matter of class vs. ass. Gibson had class and Batista is definitely an ass. |
So Fisk waving his homer fair: class or ass?
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As for the bat toss, it looks to me like Mick meant to do something other than the clumsy flip that almost came back to smack him in the eye. I "got" the joke almost immediately. Then again, I posted something a few hours ago that I also thought was funny. Perhaps my sense of humor is off. |
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There is your future face of baseball :rolleyes: |
Dale Murphy, via Joe Posnanski, has a pretty good take on differences between how the game was and how it is now. Really good common sense approach...
“I think baseball now is just great,” Murphy says. “I love it. I think what Bryce Harper is saying is: Let us be who we are. They don’t all have to play like Harper, and they won’t. Mike Trout plays the game a lot more like I did, I think, a lot more like the way Mike Schmidt plays. You know, quieter. And Bryce Harper plays with flair. Kids want to express themselves. I get it. We didn’t do some of this stuff, but you know what? Our time was our time. It’s their time now.” The whole story is well worth the read: http://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/dal...rper-bat-flip/ |
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I see. ................. Surprised that a Stadium/Franchise would allow that to be played at all. |
Who even cares. I don't know what your impression of young people is, but there are a lot of people who do way worse things than play a snide walk up song. That doesn't make you a douche bag or a terrible person.
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Yes I would love for people who have personal tastes in music to represent baseball. I would also love for reporters to stop writing click-bait articles about walk up music and what it all means.
I haven't seen a whole lot of press on hector Olivera. But here's an article on walk up music. |
someone please put a ball between his eyes and end his career already, that walk up song is not appropriate for baseball OMG.
i want my baseball playing men to own big assault rifles, hunt deers, pull their kids out of school to hang out at the park all day, and break up SE asian prostitution rings during the off-season. |
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I wouldn't dig too deep into Derek Jeter's walk up music. There are lots of naughty words and suggestive themes in most of them. In fact, if you decided to remove every song that either contained bad language or was performed by someone who had done something in their past, everyone would be walking up to happy birthday.
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Great lyrics.
"G.O.M.D." Hollywood Cole Go Ay Hollywood Hollywood Cole Go You wanna know just where I'm at Well let me tell you 'bout it I put my city on the map But let me tell you 'bout it They tryna say I can't come back Ay let me tell you 'bout it Man fuck them niggas I come back Ay let me tell you 'bout it I wanna tell you 'bout it Hands up, everybody run Cole outside and he say he got a gun Niggas like "man that's what everybody say" Go and pop the trunk and everybody dead Everybody scared of the nigga Aware that the nigga is better All my bitches the pick of the litter Never bitter Niggas is faker than anime Me I never hate, get cake like Anna Mae, woah Eat the cake bitch, eat the damn cake Fuck good nigga we demand great Order Domino's and she take off all her clothes Nigga you know how it goes, make the pizza man wait The best kept secret Even hoes try and keep it and I leak the damn tape Rest in peace any nigga want beef Even secret service couldn't keep the man safe [Pre-Hook:] I said to the window, to the wall My nigga ride when I call Got bitches all in my mind Fuck nigga blocking my shine I know the reason you feel the way I know just who you wan' be So everyday I thank the man upstairs That I ain't you and you ain't me [Hook:] Get off my dick, woah (Get the fuck off my dick) Get off my dick, woah (Get the fuck off my dick nigga) Get off my dick, bitch, woah (Get the fuck off my dick) Get off my dick, woah Man fuck them niggas I come home and I don't tell nobody They gettin' temporary dough and I don't tell nobody Lord will you tell me if I changed, I won't tell nobody I wanna go back to Jermaine, and I won't tell nobody This is the part that the thugs skip Young nigga never had love You know, foot massage, back rub shit Blowing bubbles in the bathtub shit That is until I met you Together we done watch years go by Seen a river of your tears go by Got me thinkin' bout some kids, still I Tell them hoes come through (The break up) Get to know somebody and you really learn a lot about 'em Won't be long for you, start to doubt 'em Tell yourself you better off without 'em Then in time you will find can't walk without 'em Can't talk without 'em, can't breath without 'em Came here together, you can't leave without 'em So you walk back in, make a scene about 'em On your Amerie it's just 1 thing about 'em It's called love Niggas don't sing about it no more Don't nobody sing about it no more No more, no more It's called love Niggas don't sing about it no more Don't nobody sing about it no more (Nigga I don't sing about this shit no more) But there a nigga in the club singing [Pre-Hook] Get off my dick But every nigga in the club singing Singing this song yeah Got all the bitches in the club singing Singing this song yeah And all they mamas let their kids sing it Sing this song yeah The baby mamas and the mistresses Singing this song yeah Song yeah, song song yeah (The make up) This shit is retarded Why every rich black nigga gotta be famous Why every broke black nigga gotta be brainless That's a stereotype Driven by some people up in Ariel Heights Here's a scenario Young Cole pockets is fat like little Terrio Dreamville, give us a year we'll be on every show Yeah fuck nigga I'm very sure Fuck the rest I'm the best nigga out When I'm back home I'm the best in the South When I'm in LA I'm the best in the West You can test, you can test, I'm a stretch niggas out Oooh I'm a stretch niggas out That go for all y'all if I left niggas out This shit for everbody on my testicle Please make sure you put the rest in your mouth, hoe |
Do you honestly think other players don't listen to J-Cole? Is there a difference between the guy who plays the edited track at the ballpark and the guy who listens to the full version in his car? Who cares man. What is it you're insinuating? That Harper is a bad person because he likes certain songs?
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Just looks like a new adaptation of "Everybody's Tryin' to Be My Baby" by Carl Perkins (made more famous by The Beatles). It's a shame to see so-called artists being so shamelessly derivative.
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It's sad that anyone is writing, producing, or listening to this vile misogynistic trash, or are you telling me it's all tongue in cheek or something?
All my bitches the pick of the litter indeed. |
I'm OK with the showboating, as long as the showboater is OK with the next pitch he sees buzzing right past his ear.
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But if I don't like the lyrics, you accuse me of the same thing? |
More great lyrics, courtesy of Derek Jeter walk up songs...
http://mlbfancave.mlb.com/fancave/bl...nt_id=96403662 (Lets just do excerpts) Puff Daddy's "Come With Me": Fuck my enemies Fuck my foes Damn these hoes You're stepping on my toes Back up off me Take your hands off me Give me room to breathe I'm not hearing it I'm not fearing it I'm up to my ears in it Bullshit I'm destructive Some women find that seductive Some say it's lunacy Reluctantly I've been moving on I ignore you Sorry if I bore you I neglect you Don't mean to disrespect you Can't you see I love you dearly And that sincerely But you annoy me You can't avoid me I'm here to stay Forever and ever and a day That's never I can't let you go I can't forget it Why you did it I won't permit it And won't acquit it I want to fight you I'll fucking bite you Can't stand nobody like you You can't run You can't hide No surprise Close your eyes 50 Cent's "Outta Control": System thumpin', dance floor jumpin' We thirty deep in this bitch, we stuntin' Thats what you get, you in my hood I thought you understood You know me, VIP, no ID Bottles in DP, I do it real BIG Bitches break their necks to be where I be Take 'em to ecstacy without ecstacy I'm the chef, you need a hit, I got the recipe Doc got the antedote and send the drugs in the nose Can you feel it, Em said for me to make ya feel it And remind you that you rockin' with the realest Notorious B.I.G's "Hypnotize" At last, a nigga rappin bout blunts and broads Tits and bras, ménage à trois, sex in expensive cars I still leave you on the pavement Condo paid for, no car payment At my arraignment, note for the plantiff Your daughter's tied up in a Brooklyn basement (shh) This could go on, but this isn't a Bryce Harper issue, this is a larger issue. But considering that the Yankees PR team tweeted out Jeter's songs, it doesn't seem to be much of an issue at all. |
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Did you see what I was quoting in my post? I was referencing the content of that quote only, not a specific song. This certainly seems familiar to me, considering you either purposefully took a statistic out of context or didn't read the web page in its entirety in another thread here: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...69#post1527169 |
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Now, to address the bigger issue. I don't know if you have a personal beef with me or not, or if you have nothing better to do, but let's take this to a PM and get it resolved. |
I'm disappointed in the number of people who would rather see players commit actual acts of violence against each other than allow for the expression of anything they deem showboating, but then I tend to be disappointed in my species more often than not. Carry on.
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I think Trout is the future face of baseball, if he's not already. Harper is the bad boy. If the Nats and Angels both become great teams, it will make for an interesting baseball rivalry.
I'm not a fan of Harper's walk up music, though. Doesn't make him a bad person, but it is disappointing that somebody in a position to influence kids would choose to send that message. |
If you listen to people's walk up music you will find that many people use similar walk up music all the time. It's just not pointed out to you. As was posted, take a look at Jeter's music choices. In my opinion, those choices say nothing about the person as an individual.
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Do you listen to the Beatles? Are you aware of how John Lennon treated women in his lifetime? If you like the Beatles, does that mean you support that kind of thing? Or is there something in the music that you like?
They play that song Rock N Roll by Gary Glitter at a lot of sporting events. You know where Gary Glitter is now, right? |
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Yeah, but not everyone likes a song because of the lyrics. And liking a song says nothing about who you are. It might say something about your taste in music, but if you're suggesting everyone can be judged on their playlist I think that's a strange thing to say.
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I follow the Nats and I believe Bryce Harper is an amazing player but I would trade him for Trout in a heartbeat. We all have different opinions on his kind of stuff and I certainly won't condemn any of that. I'm in my early 30s but tend to be an old souls with more traditionalist values when it comes to my sports. Walk up music is silly to me, this isn't Wrasslin!! I want to hear the organ played and the sounds that the crowd makes at important parts of the game. I'm just old school like that.
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A little lame to start dissecting someone's walk up music and proof of their character. Kids today listen to music that shocks their parents with bad words. And guess what. Their parents listened to music with words that shocked their parents. And their grandparents listened to Elvis and we all know how evil and subversive that guy was.
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Next time I see you guys playing checkers outside the Cracker Barrel make sure to say hi.
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Yeah right. I guess that goes for television shows and movies too right? Why even get to know a person on a human level when you can just check their playlist and DVR?
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We can be PC and cool and say oh it's all relative and it's just the times etc. but I strongly disagree. |
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How about editing your posts to include your full name as per the rules? |
I like to get my grammar and spelling right. I'm also not insulting anyone, posting anything political, making negative comments about a company or service and this isn't what I'd consider to be a heated debate. We're talking about walk up music.
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