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oh haha you guys got me good, i got sucked into this vortex of drama over a difference of $9! now i feel silly kinda siding with the buyer on this, he made it sound all dramatic about how it's 67% over vcp and his snipe was accidently set at 10x the ending price...gasp the horror!!! all the back and forth and you guys couldn't resolve a $9 difference of a $60 postwar card.
this board is getting just silly, i think i'm just gonna exclusively hang out in the one designated prewar thread on the board. good bye greatest guitarist of them all (prince), good bye trout/harper/bryant (they're all white guys so you can't go wrong), good bye fake/real/bad scan/shady seller e90-1 young (since it's actually pre-war related of course no one on a prewar board would know the answer to). |
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I would have no problem buying the Marichal rookie for $100 PP F/F and this thread can stop ($112.50 minus 10% ebay fee is $100). How's that work out?
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It's yours swarmee if you want it!! I sent Steve a notice to cancel, and so far he hasn't agreed to it yet.
I think it is silly as well....he didn't overpay that much (not for a centered Marichal rookie card). The card market is definitely heating up, so I didn't see anything unusual at all with the final selling price. |
People get too hung up on VCP average. Like I said earlier, non centered cards go at and below average. Centered ones go for much higher than that. People should learn to focus on the card, and not the flip. Thanks heavens not everyone gets caught up in VCP average, or we wouldn't have $100,000 Joe Namath rookie cards!
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8.5 Namath at 85K. Uh.... whatever.
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Steve, on the other hand, is the most respectable man I have ever dealt with in this hobby. Sounds like he made an honest mistake and was asking for (not expecting) you to do him a solid. Which you did, after injecting a large dose of drama. But you hate drama. I forgot. |
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You told me I had 7 days to pay. I didnt pay at 11pm on Friday... And I didnt pay on Saturday either since we were still messaging. Then I saw this thread and post, and I was kind of disturbed by it, so forgive me for not running to my computer to pay you immediately. Not once, in all of our messages did I say that I refused to pay. I have never not paid for an item I had won and was obligated to pay. All I asked was if you could understand my mistake/situation and possibly send out a second chance offer. When you said "no, you have 7 days to pay" I didnt refute that. I also didnt want to pay just that minute as yes, I was a little upset that you weren't a little more considerate, but instead kept telling me how awesome of a deal I got and the small threats of missed opportunities, and then this thread. Like I said earlier, paying $45 over my 'wanted snipe' wasnt going to break me, I simply asked you for a favor. That was it, nothing more. I'm still kind of lost on your stance of Second Chance offers though. At first you said you don't do them, then you were considering them, not again, then maybe again. I have and will continue to stand by my offer of making up the difference on any of the second chance offers that you may or may not send out. There were 2 underbidders that also would have set a new record for the card's grade. |
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This whole situation was me asking Robert "Hey, I made a mistake; could you do me a solid?", not "Hey, I made a mistake; I'm not paying".
I dont know if Robert took it that way, or if others have as well. I simply asked a favor of a board member to help me rectify my mistake (especially given there were other bidders that seemed to really want the card... given the record price that they bid). I added to it by offering to make up the difference of my bid to the second chance offering. And yet again... I never stated, threatened, or implied that I would ever NOT pay for the card. |
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Yes i know the bidder was willing to pay for the card if not released from the obligation, but i why not just pay it...save the 'favor' to be released from an obligation on a bigger type transaction...now this is on the record if something else comes up |
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I've said it multiple times, I didnt say, imply, or threaten that I wouldn't pay. There were 2 underbidders that bid what would have been a new record price, if not for my mistake snipe. I simply asked Robert, if he wouldnt mind asking the underbidders if they wanted it. There was no mention of not paying on my part. I knew he was a board member, so I thought that maybe he would do me the solid. Obviously someone wanted it more than I did. |
More importantly, is correct usage do me A solid or do me THE solid?
Burkett naturally is to blame for the 9 dollars. |
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I think that this one is just behind the big Pop vs Soda debate, which if it has the same geographical fault line, is right smack dab in the middle of PA. http://images.huffingtonpost.com/201...t3.05.00PM.png Are we enough off topic now to lock down this thread? |
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I don't believe I have ever dealt with either party and did not take sides. Carry on, while I check the expiration date on my degree in mathematics. |
I didn't even look at the card before buying, just figured I should set a record on VCP. Never done that before. But since I don't subscribe to VCP, I guess I don't know if I did in the past... thanks for letting me get a cool card that I hear is a PSA 6 and well-centered.
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Most importantly, why is that stupid Incredible Hulk graphic next to my name now?!?
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Seeing that soda map might have made all of this worth it. :D
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I completely agree. :D A card is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. You had the card up as a BIN and nobody bought it at $90. Intuition would tell me then that is would sell at auction for... A) more than $90 or B) less than $90? By just that, $66 seems more reasonable of an outcome than $114. So there are obviously a lot of factors that go into the selling price of a card. I was hoping to get lucky. Nobody wanted it at $90, so I was hoping the maybe $66 would do it. Go figure that the card then goes for $114. |
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Edit: wait, now it's gone. Maybe it was my phone? Has anybody else experienced this?? |
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Look at completed listings for 1961 Juan Marichal PSA 6's. This would be a fun project because APPARENTLY not everyone here is a seasoned collector. Don't even bother looking at VCP. Look at the completed history one's currently on Ebay. The ones that are selling for $66 and under - what do they have in common?? Shoot, there was even a couple of $80's that fit that same criteria, but those were BIN's by some patient sellers (maybe even 707, who knows). Now look at the ones that sold for $90 and up. What common theme do they have????
I'm speaking tongue in cheek of course, but with some half truth thrown in. Get off the Juan Marichal. Look at Bob Gibson's rookie if that will help. Anytime you see a lower graded card sell for more than a higher graded card, or hell, even cards within the same grade, CENTERING is what makes the price difference! It is not even my favorite quality of a card, but to the MAJORITY of collectors, CENTERING is boss! I'm sorry you felt like you got cheated according to VCP average. I am just explaining why you can throw VCP average out for certain cards. Carry on..... |
Here is current one running you should be able to win for your price range....seriously....good luck.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUAN-MARICHA...sAAOSwKfVXF-Lf http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/dVsAAO...Lf/s-l1600.jpg |
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Let's go ahead and throw VCP out the door!!!!!!!! Now we are the same side! Yay! Here's the scenerio then: Your card doesn't sell for $90 as BIN. Would it then not make sense that card would then sell for less than $90?? Let's make that strong assumption. So any price under $90 seems that it could win. $89 could win and seems more likely than $91. $88 could win and seems more likely than $92. $87 could win and seems more likely than $93. . continue doing this.... . $66 could win and seems more likely than $114. Wow!!! I love when math works out... PERFECTLY!!!!!!!! There are other assumptions in play like sale prices being normally distributed and the residual of errors assumptions, but no need to dive into that. |
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How do you overlook that point? Edited for clarification. They say something is worth only what someone is willing to pay for it. In this case, the card is worth $111.50 because that is what the under bidder was willing to pay for it. |
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The whole auction was ruined because Steve got so hung up on VCP average and his wish not to pay a huge multiple over average. There are actually about 4 bidders willing to pay over VCP average due to the semi decent centering on a card that is notoriously off centered. I would like to give a sincere thanks to Swarmee for purchasing the card, apparently sight unseen. I hope he isn't disappointed. |
As a seller, one is either holding to the tenet of 'a sale is a sale' or is allowing for some wiggle room based on circumstances. It seems as if the seller is holding to the former and simply trying to clarify (justify?) his position with subsequent statements about the sale. The seller is perfectly within his rights to do so.
Now if you allow for wiggle room, the first question in my mind would be "Did the buyer make and honest mistake or is it just a case of buyer's remorse?" If it was an honest mistake, I personally would let it slide (but that's just me). In this case it would seem reasonable (again, to me) that a $666 snipe on a card that never sold over $100 in the past would tend toward the side of 'mistake' rather than 'remorse'. |
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You are right that he committed to buying it and you would have been well within your rights to force the sale. But stick to those facts. That's your strongest argument. When you say silly things like that he should have corrected his snipe, you just hurt your other, more valid points. Steve says he didn't realize there was a typo in the snipe. |
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Sorry if I misunderstood that it HAD sold for over $100. What was the high sale price (ballpark sale price is fine)? $200? $500? That price would influence my view on his 'mistake'. I'm just confused why you are assuming some nefarious excuse by the buyer. Maybe it's 'once bitten, twice shy'? Or just our different outlooks? |
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Bobby sold the card to another board member.
Situation over. Do you guys really still have to continue to be aholes? |
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You also keep insisting that if it wasn't intentional, then why didn't Steve change it before the snipe kicked in. Based on the sale prices and what it WOULD have sold for to the under bidder in your auction, are you STILL claiming that the $666 snipe bid was intentional? If you still claim it was intentional, then I can't help you with that. But if you can admit it was a mistake on the buyer's part, then all that remains is what you do with the seller since he made a mistake. |
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Let's give the Marichal a rest guys....like David says....another board member bought the card. Everyone should be happy. The card market is the hottest it has been in years!! Everyone bask in the sun while the clouds are at bay (while we can). |
gee...this is one of the most exciting threads to come about in a while...selling non vintage cards on the front page. wow, Leon...perhaps you should have sold the board when value was high!
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Done here. And my sincere apologies for forcing anyone to read this thread who didn't want to. :rolleyes: |
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This is the thread that never ends, and it goes on and on my friend.
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my point being this is the pre war side of the board...where typically pre wwII cards are discussed...as well as sales not being allowed. SO..this "discussion"/sale should not be here. This is my point. |
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I'll save you the time now... signed, another troll from CU |
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Robert, Snipes are meant to NOT watch the item until the end. If I were watching it, I would have just bid on it. You set a snipe, then hope it wins, without you being there. It's automated for a reason, so that I dont have to be there in person. That's pretty much the definition of a snipe, so I continue to be baffled why you can't understand this concept and feel that I should have been watching this item until it's auction end. When I got the email that I had won a PSA 6 Marichal for $114, I knew something was wrong and messaged you immediately. Had I seen the incorrect snipe, I WOULD HAVE CHANGED IT. And like I said before, not all sniping services have the same time deadline. GavelSnipe, for instance, wont let you make changes within 10 minutes of the auctions end. I'll say it again... Had I seen the incorrect snipe, I WOULD HAVE CHANGED IT. I obviously didnt. Yes, I ruined your auction, and I have apologized. All that I asked from you, when I privately messaged you, was for some sort of empathy for my situation and mistake. You didnt have to obliged (and you didnt). Up until this point, I was in the wrong. I have never denied that. After that though, making this small private matter into a big public display, was all on you. At that point, you were in the wrong. But two wrongs obviously dont make a right... and here we are. Everyone else, Can we kill this thread yet? |
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rescinding this post, just so this thing can die. It was a screen grab of my snipe, but it really doesn't bring any resolution to all of this, so I'm removing it. :D
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I was hoping for a POLL. See how many of us drink Coke vs Pepsi?? or much like the Mtn Dew one: Baja Blast or Pitch Black I sure could use a cold one right now, my dog too! |
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It would also be more accurate to note that this game was played in the fall of 1968 by the class of 1969 that graduated the following Spring.;) One of my friends at the game met a lad from Harvard in the rest room. After finishing their business the lad from Harvard went to sink and washed his hands. The Yalie headed for the door. The lad from Harvard commented "at Harvard we are taught to wash our hands after using the rest room." To wit the Yalie responded "at Yale we are taught not to pee on our hands.":p |
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ROTFLMAO!!! Touche! |
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has anyone asked when this "break" is actually taking place?
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Arguing about the merits of hitting for a cycle is one thing, being accused of unfair dealings in buying cards is another...and yes i know you would of bought the card, but trying to alter the deal over 10-20 bucks can go against a reputation. I guess my logic is flawed and you are great at sniping and never make mistakes, sorry for my misunderstanding.... |
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I do agree its not a big deal, but my comment wasnt a big deal and he chose to bring up 'reputation', I not sure that was the right route for him to go with my comment....'he is good at math but bad at sniping' not sure how that was worth his wierd post. |
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