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The key to how well the Natty will go and show traffic will flow is gonna be what the gathering restriction is at that point in IL. If it's less than 'wide open', there will probably be show traffic jams unless the show promoters govern ticket sales accordingly. jeff |
I'm so glad I decided not to go. I was planning to, but my second Covid shot knocked me out of commission. That, plus four hours of traffic for the round trip.
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[QUOTE=JollyElm;2096308]Be careful what you wish for...
Long, boring story for nothing except to vent, but I can only imagine what kind of f_ckfest a large show will be if the same protocols are in place. Yowza. For the few small shows in NJ/NY area that came off recently it was the same experience. Long, overcrowded lines that didn't move. People with "early arrival" passes getting screwed also because occupancy limits included dealer personnel not being able to get inside. Wait times in excess of 2 hours plus to approach the door. That said there is no way the national will be allowed to let 30-50k people in an enclosed venue to mill around without following 6 foot spacing and masking protocols. Wait times to get in will be very lengthy unless time limits are put on people inside of say an hour or two at a time to rotate people through the show. Thus people will have travelled many miles, paid for a hotel room and tickets, food and beverage and see nothing. Because as mentioned above collectors are browsers and will hang around. If the weather is nice - Soldier field? Under giant tents and out doors less restrictive since there has been no scientific proof of outdoor transmission. |
If a vaccination is required then why would occupancy limits be in place???
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I work in an environment in which there was a really bad outbreak. After a program of shutdown, testing, isolating positives, vaccinations (mostly P&M), temperature checks on entry to the grouds, mandated masking and constant testing since re-opening there have been ZERO positives since Dec 26 among employees or family. Perhaps card show promoters can move to some kind of timed entry system (sell tickets for 2 hour blocks or something) to mitigate the lines. Otherwise I could see some enterprising folks selling out of their trunks in the parking lots! As with my work, it was always a process. As the Marines say, "improvise, adapt, overcome". We have to work closely with the County Health Dept and despite the red tape, we've been able to stay in business and keep everyone safe at the same time. |
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I think that sentiment has a fatal flaw though. The issue with this virus is that it can be transmitted to people who haven't assume the risk. That's the danger of it. You are welcome of course to have your own stance on behaviors but ultimately your behavior can affect other people's health who haven't assumed the same risks.
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My general rule during the pandemic has been to behave in a way that makes other people around me feel safe and not necessarily act on what I personally consider to be ok for myself.
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If you both read my post carefully you would see I said OR put others at risk. I also said I practiced protocol religiously. I didn't say I was or am running around like the so called pricks you mentioned. I unfortunately don't have control over what other people choose to do. I've had both shots of the vaccine and COVID and I STILL practice protocol everywhere I go. Nuff said.
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My point was no matter what you can still get it. Vaccine, no vaccine, having had COVID already, staying at home, practicing protocol to a T, etc. With that said people have to make their own decisions of what to go do. On the other hand the world can't come to a halt waiting for this to go away. It may never go away completely. I wasn't telling people what to do or even suggesting what people should do. Also didn't say I was a super spreader as people jumped to that conclusion. LOL.
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The idea of "The greater good" is endangered to say the very least.
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Even if I ever do get the shot I wouldn't go to the National just for the fact they are requiring proof. I saw a meme about a week ago that went something like this... How many times have you heard someone say they did their research before choosing one of the vaccines? Unfortunately, what they don't realize, is they are the research. :p |
That's fine...and that's your prerogative. I have a friend or two with your mindset.
I don't think this is anything new, either. Historically whenever a new virus/pandemic happens there are always skeptics. |
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1. We are not planning to move this year’s event to Texas or Florida 2. We are not planning to require proof of vaccination to attend. 3. We will announce autograph guests as they are confirmed by TriStar. 4. We will adhere to the guidelines provided by the State of Illinois and the City of Rosemont Regards Rich |
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People who text (or talk depending on how) while they drive put people at risk who haven't assumed it. People who produce and promote the myriad food offerings that contribute largely to chronic disease in what is supposed to be the richest, most technologically advanced country in the world put people at risk who haven't assumed it. People who send their children to school when they have a fever, are sneezing, coughing, etc. put people at risk who haven't assumed it. People who create large amounts of unnecessary waste including using an excessive amount of plastic and treating non renewable resources as their privilege put people at risk who haven't assumed it. Because covid is acutely present and "interrupting our lives" all of a sudden "the greater good" is a priority?! Please. These came quickly off the top of my head - I am sure there are MANY more things that are done and ignored daily that puts people who haven't assumed it , at risk. Injecting something that has the possibility of harm (however small and without a guarantee of 100% effectiveness) must be a choice. |
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Drunk drivers are assholes. Parents who send a sick kid to school...assholes. People who text while driving...assholes. People who smoke in non-smoking areas...assholes. You get my drift? |
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Maybe we should all attend the National as "Bubble Boys". Then we can ditch the masks and vaccinations, so everyone can be at ease...
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This list is much larger than those who are at risk through no fault of their own. |
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I don't see any ironies or think there is a concept of the greater good in anything anyone does. We should all be fairly certain by now that nobody cares about the greater good in any capacity.
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This doesn't look problematic in the slightest. No sir.
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So the idiot who went to Sturgis gave it to a guy who has never stepped foot in South Dakota. The decisions we make can affect other people. Why that is such a difficult thing for people to grasp with a communicable disease I don't know. |
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It's amazing how many people blindly acquiesce to losing their freedoms.
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As the vaccine has arrived and is now fairly readily available, I'm comfortable with allowing the Covid virus and it's many future variants to come and play evolutionary maker.
Anyone who is stupid enough to believe their freedom of not taking a vaccine (that will save their lives) - is more important than living the rest of their days - is a poor addition to the human species and its need to imagine a better future. Y'all can die out and remove a little of that moronic DNA from our futures, we all good. I won't make you keep breathing....please just do us tax payers a solid and fill out a 'do not assist me as I struggle to sieve air through my drowning lungs, I wish not to avail myself of this medical witchery that is being peddled by lefty gun stealing non fracking tree huggers'. Win win all round. |
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I really hope they don't skip Chicago!
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Yep. I know people who have the same attitude about abortion - go for it. They think the more abortions performed, the fewer democrats around to mess things up. I've had both shots, so it doesn't matter to me who gets vaccinated and who doesn't. If I'm immune then I can be around people who aren't. I'm willing to play the odds that if I'm vaccinated I can be around others who choose not to get it. To each his own. |
It will be early June when the final decision is made.
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As an aside this is an interested read from docs and nurses who've had to deal with the covid deniers. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/c...ened_when_you/ |
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Are you guys bickering about that virus that has a 99.7% survival rate? Or the one that has “supposedly” killed less than 1% of the US population?
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i'm an atheist but I am also fat, so i had zero problems staying home from my events. I have to wonder though: if you got COVID while worshipping (like those people in Texas) and died, would She be pleased with your choice to ignore the public health authorities? |
This is watercooler stuff, like who's your favorite 80's hair band, or do you believe in a higher power? Oprah channel stuff.
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Fav 80s hair band - flock of sea gulls |
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Me? 80s hair band? I want to make something real. I want to make a Yaz record... |
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Well that went downhill!
Hopefully we can get to a point where we can all be comfortable going to a show together again and remember we have a lot in common. |
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As teenagers, we used to call them “Wall of Doo Doo” Better days!! |
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So if the National is cancelled, there goes the PIZZA!
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I’ve already had to make plans so the fact they can’t say yes or no at this point means I can’t go. So it is already costing some attendance. On the other hand - if it is a go- it’ll be jam packed regardless due to the excitement in the hobby.
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IT's sad that collectors like Eric will have to miss the National, but no matter when it is held, it will likely break records for attendance similar to the Anaheim show so many years ago. So, if the attendance will have to be limited, it might make more sense to reschedule it until full attendance can be guaranteed. Even then, it might be difficult to get everyone in daily. It would be advisable to show up early each day.
I haven't set up at a show since August 2019, but I have had substantial sales anyway -- in fact, 2020 ranks as one of the top three years (out of 46 years) I have had in sales and profits. Who would have thought? Especially from a vintage only dealer -- for the most part, I cut off at 1975. Hopefully we will all get a reprieve soon and shows will become possible all over the country. Steve |
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Everyone claims to want to follow the science so given the numbers I’m gonna live my life like normal, if it really scares you that bad, then stay home. |
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My daughter, the data scientist, doesn't want to get one yet. She is 24 and married and all I can do is tell her I think she should, and I do tell her. She won't budge for now and says she might get one in the future. To each their own I guess. . |
[QUOTE=Leon;2098343]I get my second shot tomorrow. I am still wearing a mask most times. In Texas, most places it's not mandatory. Some it still is but not most. It's suggested to but not mandated even where I workout.
My daughter, the data scientist, doesn't want to get one yet. She is 24 and married and all I can do is tell her I think she should, and I do tell her. She won't budge for now and says she might get one in the future. To each their own I guess. Exactly, to each their own. I refuse to wear a mask also. Expecting a surgical mask or a gator to protect you from a virus that’s nanometers small is like relying on a chain link fence to keep out mosquitoes. They’re plain theatre. Just my two cents. |
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Everyone has the choice to wear a mask or not, and to get the vaccine or not.
My choice was to get the vaccine several months ago, and to wear masks when required to do so, such as entering any establishment that states you should do so inside. I have begun doing normal things again, and look forward to more easing of the COVID restrictions. But here is a true story: Someone I know spoke out adamantly to not wear masks and to never get vaccinated. She spun all kinds of things that could happen to you by taking a vaccine that was not fully tested. She told me what was going to happen to me after getting the vaccine -- and she did scare me but I still weighed the options and decided since I already had issues to get vaccinated. She died last month of COVID. So I still think everyone has a personal decision to make, but you should really study the facts before making that decision. |
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Who’s the root cause of this virus ? Why isn’t anyone being held accountable?
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For what it’s worth, I worked literally in the face of Covid patients (I’m an ER doctor) MANY times every shift for 9 months prior to getting my vaccines and never got sick. PPE works.
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I've been vaccinated, my parents and loved ones are vaccinated. Would I be comfortable attending the National? I would say yes. I've gone out to dinner in practically full restaurants, as some places in NY don't really care about the COVID spacing requirements.
I will say, the one good thing about masks, as a teacher, is I haven't gotten sick, at all. Normally I come down with at least a Sinus infection or a case of Strep throat or Flu, from one of my students, once a year. I've been fully healthy this year, in the school building for most of it (Quarantine period, withstanding of course) I'm ready to get back to normal life though, I'd imagine by July, I'll feel even more like that. |
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Thanks buddy! Let’s catch up soon! Jeff |
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You’ve probably been fully vaccinated and still parade around with two masks on. Smh |
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