John L Sullivan - Wood Panel Card
 

I really enjoy these Wood Panel Cards/Cabinets

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Nice Wood.

Yes, as a matter of fact I am ten years old.

Swedish issue 1960 Hemmets Journal uncut panel featuring Cassius Clay. Acknowledged as his rookie card. This card can also be found cut into into individual players. The Clay cut can be found graded as high as PSA10?! Unbelievable! How? I’m not against hand cut cards, I have many in my collection, some raw, some graded. But, in my opinion, this particular issue was never really meant to be cut up into individual subjects. Anyone who thinks any different is taking a swipe at the printers and miss understanding the issue. It’s only my opinion although contentious I know, but these hand cut “Hemmets ournal” cards are just that.

Some really great cards in here! Really love the PET/Kopec issue Mark. Thanks for sharing. The Kopec issue is probably one I'll never finish...

I agree, which is why I have a full sheet too.

Brent, I don't think anyone has finished the Kopec set. I wonder if some of the really obscure ones even exist or if disappointed kids just threw then out.
Same problem as the 1925 Exhibit Champions. You have Ruth, Dempsey, Weismueller, Sarazen, Tilden and then a bunch of increasingly obscure ones.

I think they all exist, I know one fairly quiet gentleman who is pretty close to a full set of Kopec backs and told me he’d seen the missing ones. Think it’s one of the “completely possible, but good luck” sets to complete. Shame they are so tough, as they are gorgeous set.

Clay
 

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N566 Sullivan
 

The only known example of an N566 Newsboy John L. Sullivan. No longer part of my collection.

Same printer as Obaks, I think. Whatever they did it was superior to what was used for the other T sets, even T218.

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The detail always impresses, in such a small card size. Comparing your Monte to a T218, there is somehow more detail in him than the much larger American Lithographic Company cards. I've also presumed they are the same printer as the Obaks, and the same artists, but direct evidence is so difficult to find for most anything about these old cards. I strongly regret trading my small collection away a few years ago, I only have a Soldier King (Kopec) and a John L. Sullivan (Pet) I bought a few weeks ago (I believe you were the seller, actually). I'd love to see someone put together a full run of either back

Spanish issue 1931 Evaristo Juncosa Jack Johnson. A cracking card. Many years ago one of the UK’s foremost boxing collectors, Bill Priddy, encouraged me to collect foreign issue cards. But, in my stubborn youth, I new better. However, regrettably, I did not!

By the way, Great looking Attell. 👍

Guilty as charged!

Mark, I resisted foreign cards for a long time, too. My initial book effort was just "USA" American cards but then I decided to cover Canadian and Latin American cards, and before I know it I am trying to index (then collect) everything nominally American (hence covering NX5 because the PI was a US colony at the time). The overseas cards started up in earnest when I decided to go for a HOF set, and found that a good number of fighters have no American cards to speak of but had overseas cards. Now I am a type collector primarily with probably 1,200 or so different types, and a HOF collector.

Oh, gotta post a card, so here's a nice French one:

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I can add this 1895 Newsboy of James Corbett portrait to go along with the Sullivan above.

Here is the Campbell mount Fitzsimmons with the Newsboy photo used as a Boston Herald ad:

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The Great John L

Maybe not "awesome", but interesting (to some of us.)

All good, Jerry. I have an entire album of UK cards that are not 'rare' but that make me happy and that is what makes them awesome.

Just for s***s and giggles today, here are the two variations on E282 Oh Boy Gum (Goudey) Jack Dempsey:

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Here is the original image (but not the actual photo) that was used to make it:

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The photo was shot at Universal Studios where both men worked. My guess is that this is a staged shot rather than a genuine sparring workout shot because JD is wearing regulation gloves and a cup while Mix is wearing slip-on 16 oz gloves and no apparent cup. No way does a cup-less Mix go up against Dempsey with the latter wearing regulation gloves. As Mick would say: "He'll kill yuh to death inside of three rounds!"

Every boxing card listed on this forum is awesome! Boxers and Boxing, if it’s on a card we want to collect it and share it. Personally, I want to see EVERYTHING! The good, bad and the ugly. All are welcome. 🙏 Tonight’s card is a seldom seen issue! Ogden’s General Interest “F” series Pat Daly. It is a seldom seen issue, however, it’s only when you see the back of this card that you realise it’s special. American in its wording but definitely a British issue. “Favorite”? Wait for it? Misspelled or Misspelt. I believe it to be a Tobacco War beauty!! My wife says I talk too much. Lol!

Great card Mark. Haven't seen that before!

I don't believe we've had an e78 yet so I'll post one...

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Andy, I was lucky enough to pick this one up. I'll take good care of it until it passes on to the next lucky individual.

Newsboy Sullivan
 

Glad it found such an awesome landing spot! Hope all is well.

I need to post a boxing card for today. Here's a classic.

Something different from my normal long-dead guys. Thought he was a great talent, ducked by the best competition in his prime, clearly robbed by boxing's corruption in his big fight. Seems to have lost interest in fighting serious competition at all afterwards, the Rolls fight was just embarrassing to the sport.

I don't do much modern (there's too much of it, pricing is absurd, and the amount of 1/1's makes master set collecting that I like to do an effectively impossible task), but keeping with "good looking boxing cards" is pretty easy when so few are made. UD's Goodwin and Topps Ginter line produce a good boxing card or 2 every year. I like the designs, and since everyone is only looking for hits to resell, if you buy when all the box crackers are selling off in the first weeks after release, everything but the marque hits can be had for very little.

Sugar
 

I picked this up from a fellow member.

1892-93 N266. Beautiful.

The Boer Blacksmith
 

Another blacksmith

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Here's a golden oldie.

That's a great JLS.

Sullivan Wns
 

Haven't posted in a long time, but love seeing rare boxing cards. Enjoy these 2.

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Kid Francis was one of a number of professional boxers forced to fight for the amusement and gambling of the guards at Auschwitz. The winners were fed, the losers murdered. Francis lost a bout and was murdered.

That's horrible, tragic, and sickening. I had never heard that story. It's hard to post following that, but I'll post something to keep us going.

Here's an even better documented one (details from Wikipedia):

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On 21 September 1943, after being denounced by an acquaintance, Flyweight champ Victor "Young" Perez was arrested in Paris by the Milice Francaise, a French collaborationist paramilitary force of the Vichy Regime. He was detained in the Drancy internment camp before being transported to the German extermination camp of Auschwitz where he was assigned to the Monowitz subcamp to serve as a slave laborer for I.G. Farben at the Buna-Werke.

During his internment, he was forced to participate in boxing matches for the amusement of the German guards and officers. He never lost. By 1945, Perez was one of just 31 survivors of the original 1,000.

To escape from the Russians rapidly advancing on German held territory, the Nazis abandoned Auschwitz in January 1945. On 18 January 1945, Perez became one of the prisoners on the death march from Monowitz in Poland, 37 miles or 62 kilometers Northwest to the Gleiwitz concentration camp near the Czech border. Perez was reported to have been killed three days later on 21 January. According to eye witness testimony he was shot to death by a guard while attempting to distribute bread he had found in Gleiwitz's kitchen to other starving prisoners.

He was inducted into the International Jewish Sports Hall of Fame in 1986. In 2013, his life was made into the French and German-language film Victor Young Perez. Perez's role was played by the 2000 French Olympic Gold medalist in light-flyweight boxing, Brahim Asloum.

There are only a handful of known Perez autographs out there. This photo has a partial (last name) on the back:

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Seelig publicity photo:

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Card O The Day:

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2014 IBHOF inductee Ledoux, from the H.B. series, hand-colored

Thank you, Adam and Dave for sharing those very touching and disturbing cards. An unfortunate, but important history lesson.

...I have always liked this Campioni della Sport Sonny Liston.

Liston was a scary dude, in and out of the ring. I like this one:

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it is from the last printing of the Kid Herman set. Here is his paper handout 'CDV':

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Underdog
 

I'll add one of my favorites for the day. I like the old-man Donovan image for some reason, (62 according to the card back but he had to have turned 63 before it was issued, based on his birthdate, the text on the Joe Gans card, and the ledger) and he is, I think, one of the more interesting 19th century fighters. Also the only boxer to get 2 solo cards in the T220 issue. His 'Print Group 1' card is here in most of its guises.

Donovan was included with the Silver's and quickly pulled from some reason (You'd think a problem with the plate would be corrected or the card just pulled and left out, but they went ahead and repainted the entire background for some reason between the card's removal and the issue of the T220-2 White Border print run). His Mecca 30 and Mecca 649 backs are next to it from the White Border run.

Below it are 3 oddities I have alongside my near-master set but aren't actual variations. At left is one without red ink or faded (I am always suspicious of red-to-orange 'errors' nowadays; they are easily faked, easily happen naturally with aging and sun, and commonly faked for issues people care about, like T206). Second is a miscut (hard to see in photo at the resolution Net54 allows) showing the card above him on the sheet was also Mike Donovan of-today for at least part of the way up the column, as expected for American Lithographic cards. Last is the yellow smear, whether this was accidental defect was printed early on and fixed or happened part way through I don't know, but it seems to only come with the F649 reverse, which indicate it may have been an early recurring issue at the very beginning.

At bottom is the T223 Dixie Queen version of the same card, which uses the same artwork and so was presumably done with American Lithography, though I suspect and can not prove it was put out several years after the T220's were in early 1911 (possibly very late in 1910). The Tolstoi T220 is missing, one of 3 Tolstoi's I am still looking for. A shameless plug that I would like to buy one goes here.

Today I thought I'd throw some Marcianos at you.

1952 MagicoSport Lampo Marciano Booklet:

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1952 Cicogna:

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1953 Fickjournalen:

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1958 SADA Firenze:

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1960s printing of the Kid Herman cards:

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Really nice e78's Ed. Are you working on the set?

This Al Kaufman card got me started on a T225 set.

Rocky
 

How about Graziano...


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It's a great set, I'm at work on the master run now (1/3 of the way through). The lack of a Johnson has kept this issue particularly cheap still and collector-friendly. Are you doing the type 2 white borders as well? Those are also cheap, but pretty tough.

So far just the 1st 25 of the set. I currently I have 8 cards and 5 different backs.
Jim Driscoll
Jimmy Gardner
Dick Highland
Jim Jefferies
Al Kaufman
Billy Papke
William Rothwell
Jack Sullivan

Seems the name of the game is Al Kaufman, we've had his T225, His E77, his E78, his T9 in the set thread all within a week or so.

Here's his most available card for us basics, and I think his finest looking non-cabinet, if not nearly as cool as Ed's E78 up above. This was one of the first T218's I picked up in my set:

News wire service photo 1911
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Hi Brent, love to be working on any of the E sets, but they're impossible to find in decent condition. I probably have 10-20 from each set, but they rarely come around. If you have any, let me know. Thanks

Hey Dave, are you a descendant of that Hogan?

I've got two boxers in the family tree, but only one has any cards.

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Also made two magazine covers that I know of:

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A couple of posters:

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[QUOTE=Exhibitman;2109166]Hey Dave, are you a descendant of that Hogan?

I've got two boxers in the family tree, but only one has any cards.



No, I'm not related to him. I just collect cards in any sport with their first or last name Hogan. Just something different to collect. Anyone except hulk Hogan.

[QUOTE=DHogan;2109192]Hulk Hogan was the first one I thought of! :D

Here's a boxer for today.

I know strip cards don't often get a lot of love, but this is one of my favorites I've picked up. Reverse image with a cool color shift

Interesting. You are the second collector I've met who collects cards of fighters with the same surname that are not related to him.

This is another amusing one I like. Jack Randall died in 1828, never fought with gloves in his career. Even the card back references the bare-knuckle nature of the bout. And yet one of the ALC artists padded up both gentleman's fists.

Instead of changing the entire background on Donovan's card or erasing a man in the background on Coburn's, you'd think ALC would edit the gloves on this card if they wanted to make some changes. Here it is in all 4 versions, Mecca 30, Mecca 649, Tolstoi, Dixie Queen

Randall did perform a lot of sparring exhibitions and benefits with gloves on. That image was basically lifted and transposed from this 19th Century print, purportedly showing Randall and Turner giving an exhibition at the Fives Court.

Randall and Turner did fight, but it wasn't there, and it certainly wasn't in an elevated ring with gloves on.

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Here's a Mayo's Cut Plug of Sullivan.

Nice Sullivan!

This is a real bear of a cabinet set, from 1904:

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Also known are Sullivan, O'Brien, Fitzsimmons, Jeffries. I will definitely trade for those if anyone has them.

Good to know, I haven’t seen that image before. I like this full painting better. I know some sparring and exhibitions were done with gloves in this time, but not “official” (semi-official? Wasn’t exactly organized) fights as I understand it.

No, not official. They were basically an excuse to get a bunch of money in the room, and let the fancies rub shoulders with the boxing celebrities. Lots of shadow boxing and punch pulling. More a display of technical skill, rather then the real brutishness they saved for the actual bouts.

If you do a search for "Interior Of The Fives Court" on Google, you could probably find some better images, of both vintage examples and reprints. This was the first one I could actually grab a link for.

I had a large vintage example years ago. A beautiful piece up close. Even vintage examples of these type of prints, don't really sell for much when they pop up occasionally at auction houses. Probably less then the price of a PSA 3 T218 Jack Johnson.

Actually found the example I had in my files. There is a key that exists that lists the various boxing celebrities purportedly in the crowd.

Here's a copper plate etching of Randall from an 1840 edition of Boxiana by Pierce Egan.

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Jack The Prime Irish Lad was 23 when the original drawing was made.

Close, but no banana. Basil Galiano.

Fitzsimmons and O'Brien...

Interesting piece. Took forever to arrive, but very happy to add to my wall.

Thanks, Rob. I knew but forgot about Fitz.

For today, heres a new one:

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I've not seen this Trinidad y Hnos premium before, so I did a classic double-take when it popped up on eBay for ten bucks BIN. Only downside is that it smells like a mold sandwich served in a dirty ashtray, but once it airs out sufficiently it will be a nice add to my collection.

Also:

Here's the Wills Johnson with the Scissors back.

That card does not in any way suck, David.

For today's selection:

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A die-cut ad card from one of Benny Leonard's theatrical jobs

And just to prove the die-cut idea never dies:

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The Tecate is cheap but a great design

Awesome Pete Herman business card.

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Manos de piedra...

Well, I won't let this thread die, so:

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Jack Dempsey training for Willard. Ohio, 1919.

Still my only type of this issue. This is the same image used for Jack's T218. Which cards actually depict which Sullivan brother remains a mystery to me.

Well, they were twins after all. Though I am married to a twin and I can tell her and her sister apart easily.

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"Miscut"? Ya think??

If you ever get tired of looking at that Coburn, I’ll overpay to relieve you of the eyesore.

Just grabbed this one.