Here is the 1965 Topps Mets Rookie Stars that has a wavy right edge that would result from the two slits being separated by a wavy hand cut which was prevalent in the 60's.

I had never realized this before - wavy/hand cuts can be used to determine edge cards even if there isn't enough real estate on the image to tell that way?

That's good to know.

[QUOTE=Kevvyg1026;2527284]Found one Dodgers RS with a way right edge.

The Law surmise is based on finding both Niekro and Law with a line.

Checklist 7 should be there as well, based on the pattern used for every other series.

I suspect that a couple of rookie star cards are also there, but I havn't found conclusive evidence yet for those.

The pattern on this 5th series full sheet is 5th series checklist in the right edge column, and 6th in the 2nd column.

So, wouldn't that make it in our 6th series slits the 6th series checklist as a right edge card and the 7th checklist in column 2?

1965 Topps series 6 reconstruction
 

For the checklists in 1965, this is what I observed:

In series 1, col 2 had check 2, Col 11 had both checklist 1s.
In series 2, col 2 had check 2, col 11 had check 3
In series 3, col 2 had check 4, col 11 had check 3
In series 4, col 2 had check 4, col 11 had check 5
In series 5, col 2 had check 6, col 11 had check 5,
In series 7, col 2 had no check, col 11 had check 7

So, it appeared to me that when a checklist was repeated in the following series, it was placed in the same column as it had been in the prior series. In other words, the even-numbered checklists appeared in column 2, irrespective of which printing, while the odd-numbered checklists appeared in column 11. That is why I expect that in the Series 6 printing, col 2 will have check 6, since check 6 was in col 2 during the 5th series printing and is an even number while check 7 should be in col 11 since it is in col 11 for the 7th series printing and is an odd number.

The check 6 variation in series 6 should be the one with the "full m" shown on the back near card 481.

1965 series 6 reconstruction
 

Found this mc of Nottebart, #469. Looks to me like Joe Christopher is to the right.

That gives a horizontal run of Met/Sen -Don Nottebart-Joe Christopher-George Smith on a 3x row

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Nice find, I had Nottebart as a possible 4x but this firmly makes him a 3x.

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1965 series 6 reconstruction
 

In series 7, checklist 7, #508, is in Col 11 and is next to Angels RS (a light blue border card). If the 7th series slit that exists is looked at closely, that checklist appears to be the large print variation. A look at the back of that slit seems to confirm that because of the number ball positioning on the checklist. For those reasons, I believe the small print variation is the checklist 7 printed in the series 6 printing.

These two miscuts appear to support that suspicion. First, one miscut has a black border card to its left which cannot be the Angels RS card from series 7; the 2nd miscut shows the small print variation only marked up to card #522 (all in series 6 printing). And this checklist should be in Col 11.

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Right you are - the 7th series print run is definitely the larger print checklist, so this does place the series 7 checklist in the 6th series run in column 11 and the 6th series checklist in column 2.

Given patterns this would also mean both checklists are 3xs, correct? Even still, there are several A's/Cards that could be next to this checklist.

Just found this wavy cut of Javier - based upon earlier discussions, does this indicate his presence on the right edge column??

1965 series 6 reconstruction
 

Nice find - that certainly is wavy and should be a RE card. The quantities on Javier are in that strange range, so I can't tell if he is a 3x or 4x.

I think that would mean that the RE cards are: Law (4x), Braves RS (Niekro 3x/4x), Dodgers RS (4x), checklist 7 (3x), Mets RS (3x), Javier (3x/4x), and a TBD.

There is a black border card to the left of check 7. If Javier is a RE card, then the card adjacent to the checklist 7 can't be Javier. It also can't be Gagliano (4x, in Col 2), Harrelson (4x, has Kostro at right), Cards RS (4x, has green card at right), Washburn (LAD/CWS at right), NYY TC (4x, Stephens at right), or Stallard (Buzhardt at right), which leaves Krausse (462) or Uecker (519) as the potential candidates.

Note: if the card to the right of Krausse is miscut enough to see the any part of the number ball on the Krausse card, then the brim of the hat in the cartoon on the Krausse card should be visible.

1965 Topps series 6 reconstruction
 

How about this Berra with a wavy edge?? Bad trim job?

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Can you remind me how we got Law on the RE? You mentioned a line but I couldn't see anything. Thanks.

1965 series 6 reconstruction
 

Two different miscuts. One mhas a line on the back, another seems to be cut as if an edge card.

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You and Cliff mentioned that the wavies are a sign of edge cards - I will defer to you as you have been doing this longer than I.

We already had Geiger next to Locke, but I found this today and I think it's safe to say we were right.

Take heart! There are 131 other cards from this slit out there waiting to be found!!

What is the significance of the line?

1965 topps series 6 reconstruction
 

The lines have been used for multitude of purposes over the years. Sometimes it was a cut line marker, sometimes it was to show the meld line between a group of four and a group of three rows etc. In this case, because niekro can be found with the line on top of the card and Law can be found with a line on the bottom of the card, I surmise that they are adjacent to each other vertically which would put law as a column 11 card

I'm embarrassed that I forgot about Javier being a RE card, there is a wrong back with Javier on front and Mathews on the back and Mathews is a known header card.

If the line on the Niekro is the one pictured in #77 above, that looks to me to be the top edge of whatever sort of holder it's in - it isn't parallel to the image on the card, and it seems to extend beyond the edges of the card.

1965 Topps series 6 reconstruction
 

Earl Battey cards, #490, appear to have a recurring print defect near the trademark. It might help in identifying the card adjacent to it.

Similarly, Siebern # 455, has cartoon marks that extend closer to the edge than normal, which might also help identify the adjacent card.

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1965 series 6 reconstruction
 

This miscut of Law appears to have a wavy right edge, so I suspect he is a RE card.

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Well there you go then!

So RE seems to be:

Law 4x
Dodgers Rookies 4x
Braves Rookies 3/4
Javier 3/4
Berra 3x
Mets Rookies 3x
Checklist 7 3x

Based on the counts I have I'd say its still a toss up as to whether Javier and Niekro are 3x or 4x - one has to be each.

With Berra in the RE, this gives us Banks and Boyer in column 10 and Freese in column 9.

Does this all make sense?

I don't think Berra is a RE card. Banks has Berra to his right and Clete Boyer above him. Boyer has Pavletich to his right, so that means Pavletich is above Berra. If Berra is a RE then Pavletich would also have to be a RE. Either that Berra was crudely cut from a sheet or is a bizarre cut flaw, the left side is very uneven too.

Well, crap...sure enough it is.

If Berra, with the wavy cut, is clearly not an edge card, how reliable are our placements of Javier, Law, and Mets Rookies?