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2020 (pre Cohen): 2024 (pre-Soto): 2025: 2026: 2027: 2028: . . . ;) |
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Also, I don't know that you've noticed, but the Mets, despite being swept recently still have the best record in in the National League. Part of this success has to do with Soto getting on base more than anyone else in the National League not named Ohtani. Last, do you end all of your posts with ";)" because you think your posts are clever or funny? |
The Mets can't help but keep it close with the Phillies and, we shall see, the Braves.
I'm still not a fan of Soto. Dude. Stop staring down people. Just, I dunno, act like a champion. For all this time, i'm worried about the Mets being able to man up against the Dodgers. But right now the Phillies are the better team. |
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:p And before leaping to such unfounded conclusions you might check my other posts rather than getting so hot and bothered about me implying that Juan Soto is way overpaid. :rolleyes: |
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So what exactly is the point you are trying to make (in less than 100 words)? Are you trying to say that Steve Cohen is jacking up the cost of concessions and tickets in order to make up for the money he is paying Juan Soto? And do you, or do you not understand why Juan Soto's contract was so large? |
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But I've already very clearly made these points in this thread. Why are you asking me to repeat myself? What the hell is it that you still fail to understand? :confused: |
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These are a few reasons: He is only 26 years old, but still has an incredible body of work that suggests there are many years of top-tier performance ahead of him. Few have ever accomplished as much as he has at such an early age. A few examples of his accomplishments: a) 26 multi-homer games, which is tied with Jimmie Foxx for the most ever before turning 27 (he turns 27 on October 25th) b) He is one of 17 players to record 1,000 hits and 200 homers before his 27th birthday. He’s the only player in that age bracket to also reach 800 walks c) He was the youngest player in National League history to win a batting title (2020 at age 21) d) His career On Base Percentage of .419 puts him at #22 ever, ahead of players like Stan Musial, Wade Boggs, or Aaron Judge. e) I know you don't care about new-fangled stats like WAR or OPS+ but his numbers are off the charts. His career OPS+ of 159 is ahead of Hank Aaron, Shohei Ohtani and Joe DiMaggio, and means he has hit 59% better than his peers. f) his WAR is already 39.7, which puts him at #21 of all active players. The only other person that is close to that and is in their 20s is Ronald Acuna Jr. at 27.6 WAR and age 27. While you don't care about WAR, I can assure that MVP voters, and player evaluators do. But there are also many intangibles that make Soto valuable to a franchise. He is extremely popular among fans. As of March 31st, Soto ranks 3rd in popularity for jersey sales behind Ohtani, Freeman, and ahead of Betts and Judge. Soto is a big part of the reason that the Mets are having huge ticket sales. In the 9 days after Soto signed with the Mets, the club saw "across-the-board boosts in both single-game and season-ticket sales. Among the key results: A club record for the opening day of single-game ticket sales on Dec. 9. The revenue total, though not disclosed, surpassed the comparable day last year within the first 45 minutes of availability and ultimately tripled the 2023 figure. A doubling in single-game ticket sales for the 2025 regular season for the Dec. 9–15 period compared to the opening week of single-game sales for 2024. A doubling in 2025 spring training ticket sales for the Dec. 9–15 period compared to the prior week. A sellout of Delta Sky360° Club at Citi Field, with the club moving in recent days to create a waiting list." As of June 13, the Mets have the biggest home attendance increase of any team in MLB. When Othani and Judge signed their mega-deals, they were older than Soto is. Ohtani is currently 30 (and signed his megadeal at 29) and I believe Judge was 30 when he signed his deal. As for your musings (without any evidence) that Steve Cohen has jacked up the cost of concessions or ticket costs since signing Soto, I would just say that ticket sales are mostly a function of supply and demand, so I'm sure ticket prices have gone up in the secondary market. I have not found any evidence that they have gone up in price in the primary market, but they may have, at least to cover inflation. But as mentioned many times before in this thread, the cost of concessions and ticket sales is not a huge concern to an owner that is worth 21.3 Billion Here is a link to Mets ticket prices from 2006 - 2024. Cohen bought the Mets in 2020, so he doesn't have a track record of raising prices. Surprisingly, this article says the Mets median ticket price is below average, and even lower than the Rockies. |
Congratulations! You've finally shown yourself capable of addressing the the points of contention (even if you did use a "few" more than 100 words). A bit late now after your previous gratuitous jibes:
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But it's bad for the team on a longer term basis (after several months of a season anyway). The contract becomes a cancer in the locker room. How is a manager going to discipline a player with that type of contract when he's not producing or even dogging it? He can't be pencilled out of the lineup because the club has too great of an investment in the player. Just by yelling at him or kicking his butt then? That doesn't much work on today's superstars. And then the other players start wondering why the pampered superstar is earning 25X the money when he's not 25x better. Like I say, that type of contract is a cancer in the locker room. It's also bad for fans. How/why? Because the Juan Soto signing is going to fuel further player salary inflation which will in turn result in ticket and concession price inflation. I know, I know, some of you will object by saying that will only be so if other owners follow suit. But they'll have to follow suit. The last time the owners decided not to bid up salaries by chasing free agents, the courts in their "wisdom" ruled collusion thus dictating that owners must bid ever higher for star players or risk jail as well as fines. And that's not been good for the fans or MLB in general. :( |
Every night on the Mets broadcast they show some insane statistic about how Juan Soto's productivity at his age is like top 5 in baseball history at some metric, how he's just behind Jimmy Foxx in something. To minimize what this guy has accomplished at his age and deny that he is a generational talent just shows your absolute ignorance.
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/met...014415078.html https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/met...-club-michael9 https://www.si.com/fannation/mlb/fas...-new-york-mets |
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Granted, there's no denying that Juan Soto has already had some excellent seasons. None of those helps the Mets this year though and it looks to me (and many others) as if his early success has gone to his head and that his production is already on a downward path. Now you as a dyed-in-the-wool Mets fan may be cheering for Soto and the Mets to succeed. Keep in mind though that Soto being on the team has made the Mets a far less sympathetic team (the anti-Yankees) to the rest of the country. Last year I was cheering hard for the Mets against the Los Angeles Dodgers. This year I don't know for which of the two I'll cheer should they meet. I'd much prefer that the Phillies, Cardinals, Giants or even the Padres emerge victorious in the NL though. |
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It's the people whose day's work it is to nit pick and argue over every nuance of every post that I can no longer bear. You could post water is wet and there are a few board members who would happily debate what you just said. Or they will point out that we've had the water is wet debate 8 times before and how tired it is.
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At the halfway point, 19 HR, 45 RBI, .899 OPS. And his BA up to .256.
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After his 2nd two-homer game in 5 games last night, he has surpassed Jimmie Foxx (who started playing for the Athletics at age 17) for the most muli-Home Run games before turning 27 years old, by doing it 27 times. Here are top tens for a couple of categories for the season so far: Times on Base: 1) Judge: 164 2) Ohtani; Devers: 144 4) Tucker: 141 5) Soto: 140 6) Alonso: 135 7) Schwarber: 134 8) Guerrero; Wood 133 10) Raleigh: 131 OPS+: 1) Judge: 226 2) Raleigh: 198 3) Ohtani: 183 4) Will Smith: 161 5) Tucker: 167 6) Alonso: 162 7) Wood: 161 8) Soto 157 9) Aranda: 155 10: Carroll: 149 Soto's career OPS+ is 160, so he is just hair off of his usual pace. That career OPS+ of 160 in the top 20 EVER, and is higher than such players as Musial, Ohtani, DiMaggio, Mays, and Aaron. Nice to have Soto and Alonso in the top 10 for both categories. |
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"NO . . . I'm afraid he's going to cut into playing time for Travis Jankowski." |
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Soto named NL player of the month for June.Good thing for the Mets they didn't DFA him 6 weeks into a 15 year deal. :D
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April AVG 232 HR 2 RBI 10 mets record 19-8
May AVG 219 HR 6 RBI 15 mets record 15-12 June AVG 322 HR 11 RBI 20 mets record 12-15 |
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First ballot hall of famer for sure.
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The batting average is a little low, but turns out to be a pretty decent season after all.
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38 home runs is worth a lot of money , 29 steals, 109 runs, 93 rbis, Leads the league in walks and on base percentage
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Yep, you guys are right. He's putting up good numbers for the good guys. Probably a good bet to make the Hall.
But I still don't like him. I'd rather watch Mike Trout with one good knee. Or Nestor Cortes dusting himself off and hanging in there with everyone booing him. |
Speaking of Trout, in a way it's sad to watch him apparently relegated to being a .230 hitter for a mediocre team.
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I didn’t realize Soto was closing in on a 30-30 season. Sneaky.
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Will end with over 40 HRs. Will easily hit 100 RBI. Will end with about 130-140 walks. 30 stolen bases so far. Career average is 12. Yeah, a real bust. |
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Not bad for a slow, lazy loafer, and disinterested potential billionaire. ;) |
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Mark McGwire (the daily starter with a grand total of 12 stolen bases over 16 years) was a lazy loafer. That's why he took steroids and did nothing but swing for the fences. He knew that a HR or a strikeout meant that he wouldn't have to run the bases.
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Baseball fans are great …..
Lindor has been criticized for years for smiling too much. This year Soto has been criticized for not smiling enough. I wish someone could explain to these guys exactly how often they should be smiling. |
Juan Soto has a 42 career WAR already. Juan Soto is .... wait for it.... 26. Anything can happen to anyone, of course, it's baseball, but this is a generational player we are talking about at this juncture.
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Look at Juan Soto's tape from May and June, after he signed a guaranteed $765 million contract. I don't think it's unfair to say that he looked either very slow or lazy. If PCA played like that, fans would also call him either very slow or lazy. |
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Little early for HOF for Soto
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False alarm. Nobody is race baiting.
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On a tangentially related note, you know who runs out every single ground ball at 110 percent? Ohtani's teammate, Hyeseong Kim. Every single ground ball he thinks he's going to beat it out. |
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Neither guy walked a lot, so that was sort of their way of getting on base that wasn’t in most players toolboxes. |
Soto is the best player on the team and one of the slowest.
Him busting ass up the line like a madman so he can beat one maybe two throws a year makes no sense. Rickey was likewise criticized. He didn’t give a shit. He refused to walk through airports. Always took the moving walkways and escalators. Said he would only use his legs when he had to. (Rickey was moody and lazy too, if you are keeping count. Him, Mays, Aaron, Allen, Winfield, Gibson, Clemente, Reggie, etc.) |
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I didn't like Rickey Henderson. I thought he was a showboat who liked to show people up. I preferred watching Tim Raines and Vince Coleman, if I wanted to see speed on the basepaths. You might think that Rickey's accolades made him worth watching even though he didn't give a sh*t. Same with Juan Soto, perhaps. I prefer to watch guys who do give a sh*t, especially when those guys are on a $765mm guaranteed contract. I'm not sure the racial overtones of your comments are fair. No one said that Juan Soto is slow or lazy because of his race or ethnic background. It shouldn't be the case that if you say that a non-white player looks slow or lazy that you're some sort of bigot. And finally, Lindor is the best player on the Mets. Maybe he doesn't have Soto's stats, but when Soto was having his billionaire baby mood swings back in May and June, it was Lindor who was out there in public defending him -- and it was his leadership that seemed to be keeping the Mets competitive. |
There is nothing wrong with showboating if you’re the best at what you do. Ali did a lot of talking too. Rickey could say anything he liked. He was going to steal the base anyway and there was nothing you could do about it.
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Different strokes for different folks. It's like in football. Neon Deion was absolutely awesome, but Charles Woodson and Rod Woodson were really the guys to watch in my opinion. |
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I just found that out a few weeks ago. Class act. |
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If Soto is a bust, what does a non-bust look like?
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You want to see something remarkable. Just go to Baseball Reference and check out his "Splits". Pick a year, pick his career splits, it doesn't matter much. Home/Away First Half/Second Half Month to Month Playoffs he's about the same as he is in the regular season. Only real deviance is, he generally starts off the season a little slow, and he hits Right Handed Pitching a little bit better then left handed pitching. But....he is what he is what he is what he is................. It's part of what got him paid what he got paid for so many years. He's one of the most predictable players from a production standpoint, in history. He might not ever win an MVP, and he might always be a Robin to his teams Batman, but he is consistent at what he does, and teams throwing money at players love that. Whether that stays the course for the next 14 years is to be determined. I'm sure the Mets will be happy if it stays that way for the next 8-10 years or so. |
The last two times I posted on this thread, the Mets pulled out of losing streaks. So I'm going to dog on Juan Soto in hopes of ensuring reserve karma occurs and they don't pull a 2007 and choke at the finish line (down 4-2 now against the Nationals).
We're paying him something like 50% to 100% more than Shohei Ohtani (depending on the discount rate you use -- Ohtani's contract is much more backended than Soto's) -- even more if Juan Soto tries to opt out in 2029 and the Mets have to pay more on top of the $765mm to void his opt out. If the Mets win it all this year, it will all be worth it. But I maintain my suspicion that Juan Soto is to 2025 as Kevin McReynolds is to 1986. |
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Right now, Soto might be the best hitter I have ever watched. Eye. Brute power. Bat speed. I’m pretty speechless over his recent hitting. Must be nice to be so good hitting a baseball.
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