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Posted By: <b>Mark Burke</b><p>Aaron was tied for 3rd (with Ruth). Clemente was 76th.

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Here's a look at the players coming in as 1st year players in the next 3 years:<br />2008 first-timers<br />Shawon Dunston, Travis Fryman, David Justice, Mike Morgan, Tim Raines, Randy Velarde. <br />2009 first timers<br />Mark Grace, Rickey Henderson, Dean Palmer, Dan Plesac, Matt Williams. <br />2010 first-timers<br />Andres Galarraga, Edgar Martinez, Robin Ventura <br /><br />Tim Raines may get in in 2008 but as a first ballot HOFer? Next year is the time for Gossage, Rice and Dawson. <br />Ricky is a lock for 2009 and Raines if he is snubbed in 2008 but no one else, maybe Blyleven gets in finally. <br />2010? No one, so Bert may get in at last.<br />The veterans committee should finally vote for Oliva, Kaat and Santo in the next couple of years.<br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I was way off. Isn't Henderson 1st?

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I agree with Bob. Is Raines first ballot material? No way in my mind. Was Gossage a more dominant player in his era? In my opinion, yes. Next year I think Gossage goes in with Rice and maybe Dawson. How can the HOF leave out guys that have been all-stars for 8 or 9 years? That clearly establishes dominance in an era which is enough for me.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Did you know that Tim Raines used to slide into second base on a slight angle when he was stealing because he would keep a vial of cocaine in his uniform pants pocket? Now that's HOF material.

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Posted By: <b>Mark Burke</b><p>Barry....yes, Henderson was first, Cobb was 2nd.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hitting/hiruns3.shtml" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hitting/hiruns3.shtml</a><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>Raines could hang in the "cokehead wing" with Jenkins and Cepeda, and Rose and J.Jackson could hang in the "game fixer wing" with Speaker and Cobb.<br /><br />Edited to add: What Gwynn was talking about "Players knew, Managers knew, Owners knew, We all knew"...... was that it was a part of the game at the time and common knowledge.<br />I played in the mid 1980s (at a low level) and steroids was everywere, and well known even in college. Just take a car trip into Tijuana or Ensenada and 1 hour later have some Deca in hand.