T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
 

Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Ali- don't want to get in the middle of a dispute, but on the six horizontal cards above all the players are standing upright. In the case of the Dunn, he would have to be lunging through the air for the card to be horizontal, and no other known T206 has that design. I respect your opinion but I do disagree.

T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
 

Posted By: <b>ali_lapoint</b><p>no problem barry. people feel one way or another about everything.

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>I think there's a Baltimore Orioles connection here, Jack Dunn was both Ruth's manager in Baltimore and the inspiration for a diving Brooks Robinson two generations later.<br /><br />Seriously, Ali, you are free to form your own opinions but to suggest that what Ted is bringing up is completely irrelevant is just being willful. Obviously if no other horizontal cards were issued in the 350 only series that is germane to the question of the intent behind this card.

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Posted By: <b>ali_lapoint</b><p>i don't really want to argue about it anymore. i'm mainly just posting because i already apologized for offending ted but he is still upset. all i was trying to do was say i was sorry for hurting his feelings.

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>I opened this thread with it's title....<br /><br />"T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager"<br /><br />As, I like to post interesting stories on not-to-well known T206 Subjects. And, I thought Dunn's<br />story would be of great interest to Net54 members, who were unaware of the starting role Dunn <br />played in Ruth's career.<br /><br />Yes, I rue the moment that I even brought up the vertical/horizontal aspect of this card. I didn't<br /> expect the controversy that ensued. <br /><br />So, I deleted that sentence in my initial post here regarding the vertical/horizontal aspect of the<br /> Jack Dunn card because it was causing a distraction to my original intent of this thread regarding<br /> Jack Dunn and Babe Ruth.<br /><br />Was there some "diabolical" reason for my deleting this sentence....I don't think so !<br /><br />I simply did it to get the conversation on this thread back On-Topic for new readers accessing it.<br /><br />In any event Rob, tell me what you are alluding to here, as I don't quite understand it......? ?<br /><br />"The editing of posts can change the perception of the flow of discussion. When Ted later<br /> bemoaned the fact that his thread was "hijacked" by the horizontal-vertical debaters, he<br /> appeared to have a valid point, because his original comment on the subject -- the first<br /> one posted on the thread -- had been deleted."<br /><br />Lastly, I'm really not annoyed when opinions differ from mine. I have posted so-called controversial<br /> threads in the past just to motivate a good discussion. In this case, if some one posts a criticism<br /> of me (or for that matter anyone else) that is blatantly false....you darn right I will be contentious.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Sorry for the delay in responding to your question, Ted, I was away from the computer almost afternoon Saturday. Also, apologies for apparently not being clear enough in my post.<br /><br />You ask, <i>"In any event Rob, tell me what you are alluding to here, as I don't quite understand it......? ?</i><br /><br />Simple:<br /><br />1. An original post (yours) is made, which includes what you call a factual statement that the Dunn card is not horizontal. This post also includes a mini-bio on Dunn.<br /><br />2. After the thread becomes almost exclusively a debate on the horizontal-vertical issue, something you've decided should not happen, you go back and delete the horizontal-vertical references in your post.<br /><br />3. After your original reference to the horizontal-vertical has been deleted, you complain that your thread was "hijacked," and that all you wanted was a discussion on Dunn's life in baseball.<br /><br />I'm not "alluding" to anything. I'm clearly saying that it's not right to accuse folks of hijacking a thread by discussing a topic (horizontal vs. vertical) that you originally posted then deleted.<br /><br />You've explained why you edited your post after the discussion went in a direction you didn't want it to. That's your choice. But I don't think it's right to complain about your thread being hijacked when it wasn't.<br /><br />(Not to mention this all happened in a thread in which you jumped on someone else for editing one of his posts after the fact.)<br /><br />Hope that's clearer. Thanks.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Thanks for your response to my question....I better understand your prior comment.<br /><br />However, I don't see the correlation of my deletion to this statement of yours.......<br /><br />"(Not to mention this all happened in a thread in which you jumped on someone else for<br /> editing one of his posts after the fact.)"<br /><br />The "operative" word here is...."FACT". There was nothing FACTUAL in what he said, he<br /> just threw it out as a "gotcha" statement, and then deleted it when he was called on it.<br /><br />He claims he deleted it since he did not want to "offend me".....after the fact ? ?<br /><br />More likely, he realized that he did not know what he was talking about and wanted to<br /> cover it up.<br /><br />I think you will agree that there is a distinct degree of difference between my deletion<br /> and his deletion ?<br /><br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />If it will make you feel better and you'll stop rationalizing, then yes: I AGREE with you.<br /><br />Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

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Posted By: <b>ali_lapoint</b><p>you know ted, i'm about fed up with your attitude. i already apologized to you in multiple posts for hurting your feelings and yet you still feel the need to assert some sort of superiority complex over me and everyone else who disagrees with you. i understand you see yourself as a t206 expert, but that doesn't give you the right to be so arrogant about it all. i didnt delete my post because i think what i said was stupid, i deleted my post because it bothered you and then i apologized. it would be nice to receive the same courtesy as i have shown you.

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>I knew 3 things when this thread started....<br /><br /><br />Knew who Dunn was, about his managing years, and the Babe.<br /><br />Knew that Ted should have posted a Colgan's Chip of Dunn, or gold border tobacco card, a T205.<br /><br />And I knew that white border image was going to lead to trouble...