Shift is a neat one. There are several threads in here on how blue variants arise, like the 58 Aaron or the 66 Mays

Nice color shift on the top Baker.

Below is my elusive white letter Hebner card, missing the yellow just like the bottom Baker card. My guess is that the missing yellow on both cards is due to the same source....too much sun light. My Hebner card came straight from my west facing window after sitting there for about a month or so.

Shoutout to Ed for the following.

69 Topps Ed Stroud Blue mark on his shoulder. Not sure if this is the one that Dingman documented or not. He mentioned a black mark so if someone has the black marked one, I would like to see it to compare with this one.

Hi I heard the yellow to white but not yellow to blue. I thought topps just didn't run the yellow (to make green) will check the other article mentioned in above reply.

So for the Ed Stroud Card that Butch just posted are we saying that if he left it in the sun that Senators and Stroud would turn white and the green circle would turn blue?...I haven't seen that happen...but open to learn more.

Didn't someone post a blue team circle 1969 Hannah a few years ago? To prove the theory above, was the team name in white?

Best,
Ed

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Sometime back some blue 58 Aarons turned up and sold for high dollars as missing color variants, but some of our printing slouths. Ben and Steve I think, demonstrated that blue turns to green after a lot of sun or light exposure.I think Ben posted results of some experiments he ran.

Here are my Mays and Aaron. Fortunately I got my Aaron after the market imploded on them. The amount of blue varies depending on exposure. Some Aarons are much bluer than mine.

You can also see yellow goes white

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For the example you gave, yes, most likely the team name would turn white and the green circle would turn blue if left in the sun for an appropriate amount of time. The yellow ink that Topps used in this time period appears to be the quickest to fade as compared to the red and blue inks.

Below are some examples (I have posted previously in this thread) of this same scenario where some clever person tried to create their own WL version of these cards that do have WL variations. They merely covered all but the top portions of each card (the reason the team name didn't turn yellow) which caused the upper parts of the green circles to turn blue and the yellow letters to turn white. On the Epstein card, you can still clearly see the green below the WLs of Epstein.

I’ve made some “blue” vintage Topps cards from green cards a couple of ways. Exposure will do it easiest. I do not believe any of this type, even when people are paying hundreds of dollars for these “variations”, are legitimate. None of them left the printer this way, it’s damage. It looks cool sometimes though.

I'm going to say that was all Ben, who has really studied and experimented with the fading. A missing color is possible, but considering how easily they can be made from normal cards I'd have to consider any missing yellow to be very suspect.

The Mays is a really strange one, having a different color back. I'd have to experiment a bit to see how to make that happen with chemicals, as I don't think it's fading.

Everyone needs to remember that 'savedfrommyspokes' Larry is the dream killer!!! When you've discovered an incredibly, historically new variation, he turns your life into a nightmare as he proves it to be nothing more than a fanciful daydream. And I should know, because like others, my head is a trophy mounted on his wall. :D

(Great guy, though!! ;))

Yes agreed. Everything looks so dark on the Baker card (without any fades). In my heart of heart I feel the 1971 Topps crew smoked a few extra marlboro 100's on the back dock while the yellow ink ran out.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...d324d930b0.jpg

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