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I will reiterate.....when I originally acquired this card years ago, it was unique. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Ron Two really great cards, thanks for posting them. I'll continue playing this game by posting a Blank Back and a Blank Front (caption). Unless some one proves otherwise, I think this Mullaney and No Name Ryan are unique..... http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...yBlankBack.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...BlankBackb.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...RyanNoName.jpg PIEDMONT 350 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . OLD MILL TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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The one card I can contribute to the thread.
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Hey Jeff
Great....I was wondering about who ended up with this Schulte anomaly from David Hall's set. I refer to it as a printing anomaly, because I cannot classify it as an "Elite 11" subject until an El Principe de Gales card of this Schulte surfaces. Whatever....I'll match you....and, raise you one.... :) https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ckSchulteX.jpg . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...kSchulteXb.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Here is my favorite one of a kind T206 cards in my collection. There are several reasons why this McGraw
is my favorite unique card. And, this is the most significant one...... http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...loveUZITxb.jpg . . . . . . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ZITxSGC30x.jpg As rare as the UZIT cards are, the most difficult ones to find are in the group I refer to as the Exclusive 12 in the 460-only Series. To date, only 5* of these 12 subjects have been discovered with the UZIT back. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...460x42x25x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...460x42x25x.jpg Crandall (cap) * Devore Duffy Ford Gandil Geyer * Hummel * McGraw (glove at hip) * Pfeffer Sheckard (glove) * Tannehill (Chicago) Wheat Furthermore (and it's been a 40-year search), only a single UZIT example of 4 of these five Exclusive 12 subjects has been confirmed. Geyer has 2 examples known. WOW ! ....is that scarcity, or what ? TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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How about the "ONLY KNOWN" T206 that is a TRUE " NO NAME/NO TEAM/NO JERSEY LETTERING in EXISTENCE!
This did come out of a cigarette pack back in 1910. Came from a private Collection of over 250 T206 cards. Opened Piedmont tobacco packs and all were in the Collection. This card was the only anomaly! I have challenged others to prove me wrong with photos of other T206 cards that are similar. I haven't SEEN one yet! Here is another Chance! Show them Boys! |
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Thanks to Toby (bigfish), I completed this AMERICAN BEAUTY - BROAD LEAF - CYCLE - DRUM sub-set. I acquired this DRUM
card of Frank Delahanty from Toby back in 2007 at the Philly (Reading) Show. Delahanty is my favorite T206 Minor Leaguer. I haven't seen another Delahanty DRUM card since 2007. PSA pop report lists none, and the last time I looked, neither does SGC. Therefore, until some one reports he has one (or knows of one), I consider this Delahanty DRUM card unique. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ntyABCDx50.jpg .http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tyABCDx50b.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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SGC does have one in their pop reports but it is the one you have. It was in
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When I bought this Delahanty card from Toby at the Reading Philly Show it was in an SGC "A" holder. Cards which I acquire that are "keepers", I crack them out of their capsules and store them in high quality Mylar. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Is there a T206 "proof cards" check-list....so, we can see if this Puttman card is unique (or not) ?
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This yellow-brown "scrap" of Doolan may be a one of a kind T206. I am posting it here to see if any one else has one.
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Cf30xscrap.jpg Showing off the remainder of this Doolan run......this image is my favorite action pose. I need his BROAD LEAF 350 card to complete this run. Any help is greatly appreciated. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ycle350xxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...PONDoolanX.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...cle350bxxx.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Doolan19xB.jpg Sweet Cap, Fact. #25 http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ovTolstoiX.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...vTolstoiBx.jpg Furthermore, I would be remiss if I didn't include this "mega beauty" :) http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...3Doolan25x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Doolan25xB.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
Mike Donlin yellow-brown "scrap"
"Turkey Mike" was quite a character. He was the "Talk of the Town" in New York City. Not only for his BB prowess, but also his vaudeville
performances (with his wife) on Broadway. Mike would have been a "contender" for the BB Hall of Fame with his career BA = .333 and a Slugging Avg. = .468 (higher than many stars in the Deadball Era), if he had just devoted more of his time to BB. Any given time when the TCM channel is featuring Silent Movies, there is a good chance you'll see Donlin in the cast. He was featured in 53 movies. The most notable ones being "The General" and "Slide Kelly Slide". Just a simple explanation why Mike Donlin is one of my favorite T206's. Especially, his batting pose in the white-bordered tobacco cards. Here is a partial run which I will be working on for quite some time to complete. My question to any of you is....is the yellow-brown "scrap" in my run a unique card ? I haven't seen another such Donlin; however, there are quite a number of T206 yellow-brown scraps in circulation in the hobby. I appreciate your response. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dmont42x25.jpg . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...p3x4Fac30x.jpg PIEDMONT #42 http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...p460sc42pb.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...p460sc42pb.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Factrory42.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ycle460x25.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ctrory42Bb.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...le460x25bx.jpg TED Z |
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Well, no new responses here, so I'll post another one of my possible "one of a kind" T206's.....this printing anomaly of Carl Lundgren.
In 1984, Barry Sloate introduced me to the "world" of rare T206 front/back combos, by selling me this Lundgren with the EPDG back. This was the beginning of an an obsession that continues with me till this day. I completed it's back run (only 3 cards needed). And, I have included the color-error (missing blue ink) of Lundgren, since I I think this card may be a unique T206. Perhaps another one may exist, so if you have one, please post it here. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...n4versions.jpg .http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...n4versions.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Always love seeing this thread. I’m not certain of this is 1/1, but it’s pretty cool IMO.
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Sonny, great Matty BB!
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Your Mike Donlin With Bat is the only one I've seen. I try to save all images of these Yellow/Brown scraps as they come along and get listed. GROUP "A" 29 Hand-Cut Yellow/Brown Color (Scrap - Not Issued) Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 back (This Front/Back combo was never issued in tobacco products). I'm missing the following scans/images of the following Yellow/Brown Scraps. Any help with a scan or picture would be appreciated. FRANK HOME RUN BAKER (I have a scan but I don't believe it to be a Yellow/Brown) PATSY DOUGHERTY - ARM IN AIR RED KLEINOW - BOSTON - CATCHING NAP RUCKER - THROWING GROUP "B" 28 Hand-Cut Full Color (Scrap - Not Issued) Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 back (This Front/Back combo was never issued in tobacco products). This 28 card set I personally own and can share scans of any of the 28 cards when requested. GROUP "C" or "Super Prints" 6 Hand-Cut Yellow/Brown Color (Scrap - Not Issued) Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 back (This Front/Back combo was issued in tobacco products, but only the full color non scrap version of the cards). I'm missing the following scans/images of the following Yellow/Brown Scraps. Any help with a scan or picture would be appreciated. HAL CHASE - BLACK CAP TY COBB - PORTRAIT RED Thank you in advance for the help that anyone can provide to my missing scans collection. I would really like to put together a complete Yellow/Brown Subset. It would go great with my 28 card "No Print" set. Because these sheets of cards were literally stacked side by side, waiting for their Factory Overprint to be added. The only difference was the "Group B" cards were ready for their overprint and then be cut into singles, but someone grabbed a few sheets before that happened and most likely brought them home for the kids to cut up and play with. The "Group A" Yellow/Brown scraps were likely taken straight from the trash can and brought home, maybe by the same person. We will never know. The 6 Super Print scraps are interesting but because that exact front/back combo was made and inserted into packs, they are missing that specialness I crave. |
Wow Sonny!! You have some serious Mattys. That is a great blank back
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I do not think there is a Dougherty, my theory it was swapped out with Ames....just a theory though :D
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Hi ole buddy, I cannot agree with you regarding Dougherty, simply because all 35 of these guys were printed with a trio of correlated backs....BROAD LEAF 460, red HINDU, and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42. Just because he is missing in the collection of yellow-brown cards, does not mean he was not printed with this group of 35. You also have a missing Chase (dark cap), and we know he was printed. .http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...1cards25xx.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...14cards14x.jpg TED Z . |
Hey Ted, good to see you posting.
I have never seen an Ames Red Hindu or BL460, would love to see scans. My theory is that the group I listed was printed with Ames and then at one point printed with Dougherty in its place. Some backs were printed with both cards and some backs after the swap and do not include the Ames. just a theory :D |
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Chris I understand your theory; however, why would ALC replace Dougherty with Ames ? Dougherty played for the White Sox 1906 - 1911. Ames pitched for the Giants from 1903 to 1913. I do NOT see any logical reason for American Lithographic (ALC) replacing Dougherty with Ames in their 1910 press runs. Ames is not the only subject that has yet to be found with red HINDU or BL 460 backs. Checkout this pattern....35 subjects in the 350/460 series that were printed with SWEET CAP Factory #42 were also printed with BL 460 and red HINDU backs. No other 350/460 series subjects conform to this pattern. Ames has been confirmed with the SWEET CAP Factory #42 back; therefore, he was also printed with BL 460 and red HINDU backs. I'll predict that Ames will be eventually found with the BL 460 and red HINDU backs. Before you care to take my bet on this happening, I'll remind you.....I'm batting 1.000 with such type of T206 predictions. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Chris While we are trading theories, "dig this one"......my theory is that these 35 subjects were on a sheet of multiples of a 36-card arrangement with the RED Cobb DOUBLE-PRINTED. Proof of this theory can be found in Pop Report data which indicates that the RED Cobb has approximately twice as many SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #42 counts than any of the other 34 subjects. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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OK, continuing playing this game of "Unique Antique" cards, here's my 1910 COUPON Matty McIntyre.
This card is the only one listed in the PSA pop report. The last time I looked at the SGC pop report on these COUPON cards there were no Matty McIntyre's listed. Perhaps, Rob McK. will chime in, since he has a near complete set of these rare gems. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...onMcIntyre.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...nMcIntyreb.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Thank you for posting the numbers for readers to see the data. I am aware of these numbers which have been in my research for 2 1/2 years.
I update this PSA data in my records every week. As I said in Post # 1125, in this SWEET CAP 350-460, Factory #42 group of 35 subjects, apparently the Red Cobb was Double-Printed in order to form a 36-card arrangement. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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There are almost twice as many Evers (9) as there are Chase- black cap (5), almost twice as many Chance (17) as there are Evers (9), over double the amount of Chase- blue (11) as there are Chase-black (5) and three times as many Chance (17) as Chase -black (5). |
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You are assuming that all 35 subjects were equally submitted for grading. THIS IS NOT SO ! And, I'm sure you know this. A large number of T206 collectors get their Cobb, Johnson, Matty, CYoung cards GRADED. However, many T206 collectors (like me) DO NOT bother to get their less valuable cards graded. There are many, many T206 sets (and stars and commons) that are NOT GRADED. Therefore, comparing Cobb (or Johnson, Matty, CYoung) with the remaining cards in this Group of 35 is inconsequential. My theory (presented approx 10 years ago), hypothesized that American Litho (ALC) divided the 63 subjects of the 350/460 series into two groups when ALC started printing the 460-type backs.......this theory has withstood the test of time. Group A comprises of these 35 subjects. Group B consists of the remaining 28 subjects in the 350/460 series. ALC printed sheets of T206's with basic formats of 12, 36, 48, etc. cards. Therefore with Group A having 35 subjects, ALC needed one more subject. The red Cobb is ATC's "signature T206" so it's a pretty good guess that the Red Cobb was Double-Printed this format. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Nice card,Ted, here is the Matty McIntyre that I have. It's raw in a cardsaver. I see one graded on psa and one on sgc. a 1.5. |
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Thanks, Rob I did not really think my Matty Mack was a one of a kind card. I have one (or two more) 1910 COUPON cards, which I suspect are not unique any more. When I acquired them years ago they were unique. Not listed in PSA or SGC pop reports. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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more than any of the others for grading and cracked out and resubmitted too. If he was printed twice as much as the others subjects his pop number should be far more than double any of the other subjects. The sales don't reflect him being double printed either this is a list of all of the card target sales raw and graded by all company's since 2008 for the 35 subjects with a SC350/460 factory 42 back. Attachment 428669 |
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Those cardtarget sales numbers are not an accurate reflection of the actual red Cobb transactions. I've been a collector for over 40 years, and a part-time dealer for almost 40 years. I have bought, sold, traded, and graded at least 24 red Cobb's during that time. And, that's just me..... a small time-dealer. Furthermore, currently in my T206 collection are 7 red Cobb's (different backs). Plus, in recent years I have sold 4 red Cobb's with SWEET CAP 350-460, Factory #42 backs. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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house and ebay sales. It recorded the sale of the McIntyre you posted when it sold earlier this year. Attachment 428679 |
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Pat THANK YOU.... for agreeing with me regarding cardtarget does NOT account for all sales. There are many private sales (at Shows, Net54 BST, etc., etc.) that they are unaware of. TED Z . |
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sales. Without specifying a back a search of a red Cobb provides 2,428 past sales. Many specific cards eventually end up on there I don't know when you sold or traded the McIntyre t213 but that ended up on there. |
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Here's an odd one with pretty colors....
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I have 4 of these missing color. I like this one the best.
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Thanks for posting your Matty Mack....cool card. Are the other three that you have also from the 350-only series ? And, who are the other three ? TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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I believe they are. I will confirm this afternoon, with names.
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They are all 350 series: Rhoades Hands at Chest Warhop Cassidy Love the missing color aspect. |
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Adam Awesome ! Well, that leaves us with a possibility of as many as 186 other such T206's from the 350-only series. It never ceases to amaze me how this T206 set continues to mystify us. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Approximately 10 years ago, I acquired this 1910 COUPON Rossman from Jim Rivera (who was set-up with me at my booth at the Valley Forge Philly Show).
Claude Rossman is one of the tougher cards in the T206 set. Having retired from BB on Sept 3, 1909, American Litho. discontinued printing his cards during their 350-only series press runs. With respect to this 1910 COUPON card, PSA pop report data indicates only one (Graded a "2"). This specific listing may be the same Rossman card that was mine (since I sold mine 4 years ago). Perhaps, Rob McKenzie will chime in here, since his 1910 COUPON set is about 98% complete, and most likely has a Rossman. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...PONRossman.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...onrossmanb.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Ted, I have a PSA 2 Rossman, you may have traded it to me, but it would have been a number of years ago and I have a poor memory. I know Rossman was still on my wantlist when I was down to about 12 cards about 10 years ago.
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Hi Rob I traded (or sold) you some 1910 COUPON cards in the past, but not Rossman. It looks like you may have the Rossman listed in the PSA pop report. I haven't checked out the SGC pop report recently, last time I did there were no Rossman cards listed. Therefore, it appears that your Rossman and the one I had are the only 2 that are known. TED Z T206 Reference . |
T213-1 Rossman's are difficult to find for sure. SGC updated their pop reports recently, and they show one Rossman, graded SGC 1. There is also a T213-1 Rossman in the Burdick Collection at the MET. I learned just recently that he donated a complete set of T213-1's to the museum.
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Besides you and Jefferson Burdick, and it is my understanding that one more collector are the only ones which have completed the 1910 COUPON set. Burdick probably completed his set back in the 1930's - 1940's. It would have been much more easier to do so back then. I have to commend you for having 67 (of the 68) cards in this set. It certainly is not easy assembling this set 110 years after these cards were issued. Here's my favorite 1910 COUPON subject...... Ted Breitenstein (St Louis Browns) pitched a "Perfect" game No-Hitter in his very 1st start in 1891. Ted faced exactly 27 batters. Actually, he did Walk a guy, but a Double-Play followed. Furthermore, at the end of his Major League career (1898), Ted pitched another No-Hitter. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...350xCOUPON.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...50xCOUPONb.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Thanks, Ted. I think the Fritsch family had or has a set, and a few board members are working on it, or may have completed it raw. I still need to look for Hindu backs so I can make a CHOP back run or two. Here is a T206 Cycle 350 Rhoades that I have. It sort of looks like a Coupon if I look at the back without my glasses. I'm not sure what my favorite subject is, I will think on it.
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