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Al C.risafulli 12-15-2019 01:06 PM

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Even though LotG says they do not charge for insurance, I seriously doubt it costs $180 to send a 35"x28" advertising piece, so I would bet they did add a 1% insurance charge despite their claim.
Hi Michael!

I don't intend to get involved in this thread; I just wanted to circle back and clarify something on this post, which was brought to my attention last night.

We ship items of that size via FedEx 2-day, because packages of that size are not eligible for USPS "Click and Ship" service (and because we find FedEx more trustworthy with large packages). Because the item you won is extremely delicate, we special-ordered a 31 x 36 x 3" deluxe artwork shipper (ULine model S-9919, cost $103.00) to help prevent damage in shipping. With the piece inside, the box weighs about 11 pounds. The cost to send a package of that size and weight via Fed Ex 2-Day from our location to yours (without insurance) is $189.12.

So, factoring the costs of materials plus shipping, our cost to get your package to you is $292.12.

We charged you $177.33 for shipping, plus $3.00 for packing materials. I guess our software underestimated the shipping costs a little bit!

We do not charge for insurance.

Hope this helps!

-Al

Peter_Spaeth 12-15-2019 01:06 PM

Also noteworthy that the communication to Steven was not exactly from a low level employee.

https://lelands.com/our-experts

Peter_Spaeth 12-15-2019 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 1939187)
There is no excuse for Leland’s not responding. I have emailed Josh twice with no response. I thought they were better than this.

Maybe they don't work weekends.:eek:

oldjudge 12-15-2019 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Al C.risafulli (Post 1939194)
Hi Michael!

I don't intend to get involved in this thread; I just wanted to circle back and clarify something on this post, which was brought to my attention last night.

We ship items of that size via FedEx 2-day, because packages of that size are not eligible for USPS "Click and Ship" service (and because we find FedEx more trustworthy with large packages). Because the item you won is extremely delicate, we special-ordered a 31 x 36 x 3" deluxe artwork shipper (ULine model S-9919, cost $103.00) to help prevent damage in shipping. With the piece inside, the box weighs about 11 pounds. The cost to send a package of that size and weight via Fed Ex 2-Day from our location to yours (without insurance) is $189.12.

So, factoring the costs of materials plus shipping, our cost to get your package to you is $292.12.

We charged you $177.33 for shipping, plus $3.00 for packing materials. I guess our software underestimated the shipping costs a little bit!

We do not charge for insurance.

Hope this helps!

-Al

I can add that Al sent a framed lot to me several years ago and lost money on the shipping. Al is an honest guy!

calvindog 12-15-2019 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Al C.risafulli (Post 1939194)
Hi Michael!

I don't intend to get involved in this thread; I just wanted to circle back and clarify something on this post, which was brought to my attention last night.

We ship items of that size via FedEx 2-day, because packages of that size are not eligible for USPS "Click and Ship" service (and because we find FedEx more trustworthy with large packages). Because the item you won is extremely delicate, we special-ordered a 31 x 36 x 3" deluxe artwork shipper (ULine model S-9919, cost $103.00) to help prevent damage in shipping. With the piece inside, the box weighs about 11 pounds. The cost to send a package of that size and weight via Fed Ex 2-Day from our location to yours (without insurance) is $189.12.

So, factoring the costs of materials plus shipping, our cost to get your package to you is $292.12.

We charged you $177.33 for shipping, plus $3.00 for packing materials. I guess our software underestimated the shipping costs a little bit!

We do not charge for insurance.

Hope this helps!

-Al

Al, when are my cards going out? :) Josh charged me $2 million for insurance but he’s a fast shipper!

oldjudge 12-15-2019 01:29 PM

Was that $2 million with the reduced shipping charge?

Al C.risafulli 12-15-2019 01:30 PM

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Al, when are my cards going out?
Coming Soon

-Al

calvindog 12-15-2019 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 1939211)
Was that $2 million with the reduced shipping charge?

No, his dog delivered the package. He has multiple jobs at Lelands.

CuriousGeorge 12-15-2019 01:58 PM

I am actually really laughing out loud on that one

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1939227)
No, his dog delivered the package. He has multiple jobs at Lelands.


oldjudge 12-15-2019 01:59 PM

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calvindog 12-15-2019 02:02 PM

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CuriousGeorge 12-15-2019 02:05 PM

Josh and Jillian are probably on a private island with their shipping charges.

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1939197)
Maybe they don't work weekends.:eek:


Aquarian Sports Cards 12-15-2019 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1939189)
From Leland's terms and conditions.

Our shipping rates are industry competitive.

It's all a matter of perspective. From their POV they're winning the competition...

Peter_Spaeth 12-15-2019 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1939236)

Placing his bids is he?

CuriousGeorge 12-15-2019 03:35 PM

I think hes on the Fedex site calculating shipping charges.

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1939266)
Placing his bids is he?


Stampsfan 12-16-2019 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1939015)
There were so many terrible songs in the 70s it would be hard to rank them. This one is up there for sure. Although it can't top Feelings or You Light Up My Life.

If you hated that "Feelings" song as much as I did, you need to listen to the Offspring version. Off Americana if I recall correctly. Maybe the best remake ever.

111gecko 12-16-2019 05:59 PM

Reply
 
Any updates on this? Figured we would hear something today?..

CuriousGeorge 12-16-2019 07:08 PM

To be respectful of the board’s owner and the apparent censorship of fraud of the board’s advertisers, going forward any of my discussions of hobby related fraud will be handled in a more welcoming forum.

bnorth 12-16-2019 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge (Post 1939600)
To be respectful of the board’s owner and the apparent censorship of fraud of the board’s advertisers, going forward any of my discussions of hobby related fraud will be handled in a more welcoming forum.

Good luck finding said forum.;):D

CuriousGeorge 12-16-2019 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 1939603)
Good luck finding said forum.;):D

Weren’t you the guy who was called an idiot for pointing out fraud or do I have you confused with someone else?;):D

bnorth 12-16-2019 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge (Post 1939607)
Weren’t you the guy who was called an idiot for pointing out fraud or do I have you confused with someone else?

Idiot, moron, shown a pic of a door, all sorts of hilarious stuff.

AustinMike 12-17-2019 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Al C.risafulli (Post 1939194)
Hi Michael!

I don't intend to get involved in this thread; I just wanted to circle back and clarify something on this post, which was brought to my attention last night.

We ship items of that size via FedEx 2-day, because packages of that size are not eligible for USPS "Click and Ship" service (and because we find FedEx more trustworthy with large packages). Because the item you won is extremely delicate, we special-ordered a 31 x 36 x 3" deluxe artwork shipper (ULine model S-9919, cost $103.00) to help prevent damage in shipping. With the piece inside, the box weighs about 11 pounds. The cost to send a package of that size and weight via Fed Ex 2-Day from our location to yours (without insurance) is $189.12.

So, factoring the costs of materials plus shipping, our cost to get your package to you is $292.12.

We charged you $177.33 for shipping, plus $3.00 for packing materials. I guess our software underestimated the shipping costs a little bit!

We do not charge for insurance.

Hope this helps!

-Al

Hey Al,

This helps a lot. I was completely ignorant of the cost of sending such items. Even though ignorance is bliss, it can lead to footinmouthitis, a horrible disease.

My sincerest apologies.

Michael

BruceinGa 12-18-2019 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1939040)
Kung Fu Fighting
Muskrat Love
One Tin Soldier

One of my favorites is Let it All Hang Out by The Hombres!

ruth-gehrig 12-20-2019 04:06 PM

Has the OP not had any resolution or contact from Leland's about this?

keithsky 12-22-2019 08:57 AM

Well it's funny because the OP went on a big rant and rave in the begining to crickets now.

calvindog 12-24-2019 11:58 AM

Oh there’s an update. But it’s not going in a thread in the “all sports talk” watercooler section.

bnorth 12-24-2019 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1941598)
Oh there’s an update. But it’s not going in a thread in the “all sports talk” watercooler section.

Is it going to be in the testing section at the very bottom?;):D

Leon 12-24-2019 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1941598)
Oh there’s an update. But it’s not going in a thread in the “all sports talk” watercooler section.

Could be interesting what a judge says to someone who doesn't read the rules or ask any questions? It would be right below the impeachment going on and the El Chapo Trial in national scope, I am sure....

Republicaninmass 12-24-2019 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 1941605)
Is it going to be in the testing section at the very bottom?;):D


Right next to the NYPL library stamp

Shoeless Moe 12-27-2019 10:01 AM

Anyone else getting their item held up by Lelands due to their comments in this thread?

They rec'd my check on 12/13 or 12/14, yet blame the holidays for the delay:

"Thank you for bidding in our auction. We sincerely apologize for this inconvenience. Your order has not been shipped due to the Holiday and high volume of invoices in the queue.

We are doing our utmost to send your items out as soon as possible to avoid further delay."

Funny, how Love of the Game(ended 12/1) and Clean Sweep had auctions that same time frame, actually Clean Sweep(ended 12/13) ended almost a week after Lelands, thus they got my check a week later then Lelands(ended 12/6), yet I rec'd my Clean Sweep item over a week ago...and the LOTG item I also rec'd shortly after their auction ended. I even got a Consigner check from Goldin(ended 12/8) before Leland even ships my items let alone when I actually receive.

What a class organization. Delay my ass, you critique them and they play hostage with my long ago cashed check item.

And when someone from Lelands reads this, and they will, have the balls to reply.

bnorth 12-27-2019 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe (Post 1942187)
Anyone else getting their item held up by Lelands due to their comments in this thread?

They rec'd my check on 12/13 or 12/14, yet blame the holidays for the delay:

"Thank you for bidding in our auction. We sincerely apologize for this inconvenience. Your order has not been shipped due to the Holiday and high volume of invoices in the queue.

We are doing our utmost to send your items out as soon as possible to avoid further delay."

Funny, how Love of the Game(ended 12/1) and Clean Sweep had auctions that same time frame, actually Clean Sweep(ended 12/13) ended almost a week after Lelands, thus they got my check a week later then Lelands(ended 12/6), yet I rec'd my Clean Sweep item over a week ago...and the LOTG item I also rec'd shortly after their auction ended. I even got a Consigner check from Goldin(ended 12/8) before Leland even ships my items let alone when I actually receive.

What a class organization. Delay my ass, you critique them and they play hostage with my long ago cashed check item.

And when someone from Lelands reads this, and they will, have the balls to reply.

I am sure it is because of the holidays.

Would a company actually punish someone with the risk of losing future business? If so there would be a LOT of stupid going on.

Shoeless Moe 12-27-2019 12:41 PM

If it was delayed in shipping then I'd say yes that could be due to the Holidays, busy season for the Post Office, UPS & FEDEX. But how does the Holidays effect them, they arn't working? They are off like schools?

My office is still open. Closed for Christmas. 1 day. Some I'm sure get Eve off as well. Doesn't explain all the other days before and after.

Also, I got this from them on 12/17:

Thank you for bidding in our auction. We have received your payment/credit, thank you.

Your order is in process and will be shipped on or before 12/23/19.


How was my order "in process" on 12/17, now on 12/27 still not out and guessing its not going out this weekend so at earliest 12/30, if that.

bnorth 12-27-2019 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe (Post 1942231)
If it was delayed in shipping then I'd say yes that could be due to the Holidays, busy season for the Post Office, UPS & FEDEX. But how does the Holidays effect them, they arn't working? They are off like schools?

My office is still open. Closed for Christmas. 1 day. Some I'm sure get Eve off as well. Doesn't explain all the other days before and after.

Also, I got this from them on 12/17:

Thank you for bidding in our auction. We have received your payment/credit, thank you.

Your order is in process and will be shipped on or before 12/23/19.


How was my order "in process" on 12/17, now on 12/27 still not out and guessing its not going out this weekend so at earliest 12/30, if that.

Now for the big question. Is this going to affect if you bid with them again?

Shoeless Moe 12-27-2019 03:22 PM

Well I have been known to be impatient and been known to be wrong.......so.....I'll see how this plays out before I consider that.

Depends on how much longer it takes.

I know they've been reading this thread, so they will do one of 2 things now. Hold even longer, or ship it on Mon/Tues. We'll see.

Also, if you know you are not going to be shipping winners their items after the auction ends due to the Holidays, maybe don't have a pre-Holiday auction.

Again, Goldin, Love of the Game, Clean Sweep had no problem with their December auctions and the Holidays.

Lelands can't juggle an auction and the Holidays.....a little mind boggling.

bnorth 12-27-2019 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe (Post 1942272)
Well I have been known to be impatient and been known to be wrong.......so.....I'll see how this plays out before I consider that.

Depends on how much longer it takes.

I know they've been reading this thread, so they will do one of 2 things now. Hold even longer, or ship it on Mon/Tues. We'll see.

Also, if you know you are not going to be shipping winners their items after the auction ends due to the Holidays, maybe don't have a pre-Holiday auction.

Again, Goldin, Love of the Game, Clean Sweep had no problem with their December auctions and the Holidays.

Lelands can't juggle an auction and the Holidays.....a little mind boggling.

To the bold part, been there myself.:)

It would be nice to hear from others who won items in that auction on if they have received their items.

Shoeless Moe 12-27-2019 05:53 PM

Ok so I was wrong
 
AND...........I'm a Stooge.

or.....they saw this.


Or both!

So just got an email

"The items you have won have/will be shipped on 12/27/19."


a 1000 apologies.....salami salami baloney!!!

All good.

earlywynnfan 12-27-2019 07:53 PM

For me, payment received 12/13
Shipped 12/21
Received 12/23

ruth-gehrig 08-09-2022 09:36 PM

2 and a half years after previous post...

What ever happened?

I was recently charged nearly 9% shipping and insurance on a single baseball valued under $500. I emailed Lelands yesterday asking for an explanation and haven't heard back. Sounds like these excessive fees are continuing??:rolleyes:

ruth-gehrig 08-12-2022 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ruth-gehrig (Post 2250995)
2 and a half years after previous post...

What ever happened?

I was recently charged nearly 9% shipping and insurance on a single baseball valued under $500. I emailed Lelands yesterday asking for an explanation and haven't heard back. Sounds like these excessive fees are continuing??:rolleyes:


Boring story short, if anyone still cares about this thread.....

Jillian has told me shipping charge of $42 for a single baseball was wrong and has been recalculated to $25!!

Watch your invoices from Lelands

Republicaninmass 08-12-2022 03:52 PM

She reduced mine from 25 to 10. I said please send small flat rate, no insurance. Card was less than 100$

jethrod3 08-13-2022 12:12 AM

This reminds me of some shenanigans I recently experienced with Beckett regarding insurance and shipping. A few months ago Beckett came to our local show. They did onsite grading and accepted cards that they would take back with them for grading and autograph authentication. I rarely grade cards, but I had an autographed card that was starting to rise rapidly and I wanted to know where it stood. So I submitted it for grading.

The cost of the grading and slabbing was reasonable. What wasn't was the insurance and shipping costs. I put the value at $2K (I wasn't quite sure what grade would be returned and felt this was accurate as I assumed it could come back even with a "6"). Insurance was $28 which seemed steep, but whatever----I accepted it. But I asked for the cheapest shipping method with a signature to be requested. It was suggested by the Beckett rep that I go with FED-EX 2-day delivery rather than FED-EX ground (because of "increased risk of jostling"), and that they would request a signature before leaving the package.

Not only did the FED-EX delivery person fail to attempt to get my signature, but they left just the package on my doorstep without knocking or ringing the doorbell. Even more concerning is that apparently they didn't even approach the doorstep. I have RING, and when we viewed the recording, there was no evidence of any delivery person entering the doorway area. This means that the person must have tossed the package onto the doorstep from several feet away, outside of the camera's view. To Beckett's credit, they had packed the slabbed card very well. There was no damage. But I felt it was wrong to pay an exorbitant rate for a service that was not provided. So I contacted Beckett. I received an email response from a lower level rep telling me that I was free to contact FED-EX myself, but that Beckett had nothing to do with the issue. So I emailed again, told them that this was hogwash because they arranged for the shipping, and asked to talk with a supervisor. The supervisor called me, apologized but gave no real reasonable explanation except to say that there have been other complaints about FED-EX by Beckett customers, and then offered to give me a credit of $7 toward my next submission. I have yet to receive an email confirming that.

The only happy ending is that the card came back faster than I thought, and with a grade that was much better than I expected (OK, much better---I'll never understand how people grade chicken-scratch autographs!!!) However, I remain soured on the overall grading card experience; something like this doesn't make me want to submit cards again any time soon.


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