By the way,Johnny - almost all the t206 cards in my personal collection have something wrong with them, so to say that I have "turned" on them is absurd. I have even paid a premium for a few freaks that I still have.

Just because I'm not sleeping with you doesn't mean I don't love you :)

It's a big set with a long print run. Millions and millions printed, very durable paper with bold colors that lasted. There are just more errors out there from that set....enough show up to keep people interested and keep The demand going.

Either you dig them or you don't.

The front scan showed enough for me to know it was a factory print and not a WST. That's all I was going for and valued it at 2-3k (that's low). I had a suspicion the back was also messed up as the front OP was upside down and off center....not a cylinder transfer but a true test print sheet.

Hunt sent me this and that's what made this card jump to the final price.

http://i.imgur.com/7Kji96O.jpg

Always glad to oblige, Tony. There might be someone in Kenya who hasn't see it yet :). I am so glad I got it before the freaks took off. If I am not mistaking this is STILL the highest price ever paid for a T206 scrap. Someone correct me if I am wrong please...It was $9780 around 4-5 yrs ago. I think it would go higher today...but who knows??


http://luckeycards.com/pt206ghostmultioverprint2.jpg

This thread is interesting. Neat to see what drives others and why I have always taken the stance that all of our collectibles are only worth what someone is willing to pay for them. ;)

I have a modest collection of mistakes, errors and oddballs compared to others.

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...ant/Errors.jpg

For me on these I sort of take the stance if I can get a really nice example of each type that’s great. Also if I can get it for a price I feel is within reason that’s an added bonus. I don’t see myself needing or wanting dozens upon dozens of these or facing choices of dropping say 10-20k on one of these as compared to a major tier card of a superstar or scarce type card.

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...large/T215.jpg

The buying pool isn’t limited to the few that post here while I agree the pool may be smaller say compared to other items it’s not that small.

I also agree that having a few strong bidders enter the fray can seriously tweak prices and those prices can fall. Case in point we have seen this with plenty of cards and it would be silly to think that these are immune from the rise and fall that have hit other cards such as T211, T210, T209B&W, E-Cards, and certain 19th Cards etc.

Cheers,

John

True beauties John.

Most of these are getting beyond the usual suspects on this forum's budgets...we sit and watch several a month go. Its really not like we are enjoying these sky high prices.:eek:

On a much smaller, positive note I was able to reunite these sheetmates after 100 years.

http://i.imgur.com/KSjgptG.jpg

That's cool Chris.

Very nice John.

Is the Magie portrait grouped with the rest in your photo only because it is the famous spelling error, or is there some other printer error associated with this card?

great cards chris and john...modest my ass!!!

Thanks for the kind words, it's just the plain ol' error Magie.

Cheers,

John

Yessssssssssss!!!
 

FINALLY GELLED!!

I have to say, I waited all day to check on this thread....I'm glad it was started and sorry for the little bitch fest of mine:o

I will read more comments later...

I was gonna ask Leon to post that again and those 2 cards are some of my favorites of all time....

Peter I have much love for...

SCOTT YOU ARE BACKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!:D;)

That's the Scott I KNOW!!

I may be crazy....I am obsessed with these....

BTW...I truly dig scrap in other sets, I believe in due time they will get attention also(as long as the sets they are in become popular)

Chris John....:eek: I am envious of your scrap!!

you 2 have COME A LONG WAY ON THIS SCENE....

your cards are just FXXXing RIDIC!!!
many more will follow



trust me on this...


:)


more from me later, i'm having scrap(not crap) seizures seeing these images:p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-lJZiqZaGA

:D:D:D

John and Chris, you are sick men.

And I mean that as the highest compliment.

:cool:

This really is a great thread - I love to see Johnny show the occasional negative emotion (it doesn't happen often). Chris is a very subdued version of Johnny, but he definitely has the scrap bug.

I have not told many people this, but the reason my monster number is so small, despite the fact that I basically only collect photos and T206's, is that the only T206's I allow in my collection are 'oddball's - two names (6 have 2 different names), ghosts (2) - and they are sweet ones, missing ink, wrong back colors, two factories, tough backs, etc. So I'm not a purist freak collector, in that I would rather spend thousands on several rare photos as opposed to one piece of scrap, I'm in the general area. Given how many T206's have passed through my hands, it really enhances the collecting experience to build the set the way I'm doing it. When I hit 522 (no Wagner or Doyle), it should be quite the oddball grouping.

Back men out, scrap men in. :D

I never cared much for backs either. :D

Does anybody on here now have my old Frank Baker missing blue?

Great thread!!!
 

This has turned out to be a great thread! I hate flying off the handle, but I'm like the number one scrap advocate:)

Scott.....I know you collect oddball T206 and I think i'm still mad I didn't pick up all those sweet scrap you used to own;)....I still remember the Downey, and how cool it looked, but 10 years ago at $750.00 I almost did it......and the dorner multi strike sweet cap back, which took me 9 more years to find another.....don't mean to bring up the past:o

your a collector, I have always looked up to and still do.......sorry for being a hot head:o

scrap and the freaks make me not think sometimes......:o....as you guys know...

Leon is the man, and thanks for all the compliments from everyone...


The God's honest truth is the cards really can't be enjoyed as much , if it not for this forum to share info.....and every single collector I have met have been the greatest people.....I will add more tom and maybe some scrap:D

And the number one user of emoticons.

T206 scraps
 

It's an interesting debate and the cards are cool looking and worth what people will pay for them.

Argument A- The T206 printers were artesians, honing their craft and carefully calibrating their tools.

Argument B- They were sloppy and probably drunk.

I guess if I had to vote I'd vote for B.

I'm convinced that collecting scraps is awesome.... But... One T206 or 40 old judges... Hmmmm, I'll have to think about that one :)

I bought a brown/yellow scrap Baker 6 or 7 years ago. Is that yours?
I'm sorry I can't post scans, but my computer is down, so I'm posting from work, and I don't have access to scans.

What will this end up at?
 

http://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDet...px?lotid=30721

It involves two HOFers. I stick mostly with memorabilia but this type of collecting is very similar to coin collectors collecting errors (i.e. 1955 double die etc...). It has its own subculture and cult following. Nothing wrong at all with it and it is IMHO very good for the hobby.

Nice one Sean.

http://i.imgur.com/rLoCwhs.jpg

Burning the midnight oil, I love it! I busted my ass nearly 80hrs this week.... Looking forward to the next slow period.

Greg....
 

i'm an emotional guy:)

may the Schwartz be with you!!!;)

What's Most Desirable / Valuable on Misprints and Errors?
 

What's at the top of the list when it comes to these types of T206 cards? What do error/misprint collectors value the most? Printer's scrap? Misalignments? Overprints and ghost prints? Blank backs?

Also, where does something like this card fall? It's misprinted on the back (misaligned with two different factory overprints).

How much is something like this worth? Does the player on the front matter, in terms of value, these days?

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=11506

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=11507

Neat card Robert. A little insight into the OP print process.

Robert....
 

you have a very special card there Robert:eek:

never seen one like it:eek:

Value
 

Very tough Robert to put a value on the card. I agree with the Master Johnny V that is incredibly unique. With parts of 4 separate cards and a HOF to boot just simply a great card.

Are T206's the only card set to ever have misprints? Don't think I have ever seen one on the board over the past few months that is not a T206..........

here's one
 

T204 misprinted back

A few posts ago in this thread someone put a e92, also there is an entire thread of t205 freaks and t207 freaks. Or was that sarcasm?

No other card set matters to the cognoscenti. :)

Considering who the remark came from I will go out on a limb and say sarcasm. :) I would guess I have printing errors from approximately 20 different sets other than T206.

...

Could be! Please post scans! Cool...

Oh... The one posted above looks like it! Does it have a pencil erasure? Somebody had written "1B" on it, and I gently erased it with an art eraser.

Adam......
 

you are becoming the master also;) thanx:)

When I think of "unique" and "rare" T206 cards, it's the scraps/freaks/miscuts/ double&triple and multi back print, etc. That's why they are and probably will continue to spike in price. And, if the prices weren't so high, way more collectors would be going after them. ;)

If you can't afford a Magie/Wagner/Plank/Doyle Nat'l, and want rarity in your collection-this is where you end up. Or, go for tough front/back combinations.

The supply is limited, the cards are unique and rare, and I still don't think they have topped out yet.

As far as other sets, I would surely look at the freaks/miscuts/scraps/etc. the exact same way, if I collected those sets. The E92 shown earlier in the thread would be way more desireable(to me) than the regular one with no flaws, if I collected that set. That's just my take on it.

Sincerely, Clayton

The Baker that Chris posted is mine (thanks Chris). Is that your old card?
I don't see any erasure on it, but there is some paper loss on the back.
It's graded PSA 1 for some reason. I thought this type of scrap is always graded authentic ? Was it graded when you owned it ?

I think when you were testing your scanner this was sent my way. It's an odd one, doesn't appear to be handcut or missing the same layers as the yellow/browns. Possibly its faded/chemical...not sure...still a great card.

The Baker above is missing the blue ink pass in the printing process. There was a "1B" written just to the left of the name, and in the top area, I think you can see some erased script text.

I can definitely see a small mark in front of Baker. Can't tell if it said 1B, but it could have. I don't see other marking, but I will look closer when I get home.

I've looked closer and still don't see an erasure at the top, but clearly something was erased in front of the name. Even the "B" in Baker is partly erased. This must be your "missing blue" card. It does have more color than a yellow/brown scrap, but seems to have missed most of the blue pass. And it appears machine cut, unlike scrap cards. :confused:

This is why I love Net54. So far:
You guys explained why this is not a scrap like I thought;
Johhny told me that my Tinker/ Sovereign wet sheet transfer wasn't a WST, and Tim and Ron Kornacki explained that it was a cylander transfer;
Chris, Tim and another member whom I've forgotten (sorry :o) told me how my Plank was missing the dark blue pass, and that it wasn't really the sister card to the white Plank, as my card was from a print run at Factory 30 and Whitey was printed in Factory 25.

This kind of stuff is the reason that I joined Net54. :D Well, this and also so that I can score big with the ladies. :rolleyes:

Thanks guys.

Paul....
 

you are a true "fringe" collector like me;) how have you been my friend?

Sean....your collection of freaks is SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I also have Plank envy:D

I don't think it was graded when I owned it. I would've had SGC do it, not PSA.

I knew it was an anamoly, and someone paid me a premium for it, but I am certain it is worth a lot more today. But then, I would have spent the funds on more T206 cards, so I think I did okay. Pretty sure I picked it up for around $40 about 10 years ago. Believe it or not...

Please !!
 

Don't let this die !!