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Pat R

05-30-2025 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CMGsBBCs (Post 2518984)

These Cello Boxes, I did get all at the same time, and probably sold 4-5 before... (so those people probably got a good surprise, if they know what they're looking for) ...then have just let them sit for years. I hadn't opened one myself until this year, but KNOWING that I've gotten these two variations in ALL 3 BOXES, I'll probably be opening the rest... As, any two "Hand Over" Whiten or Storm Davis w/�, would pay for what I get for a box...

Unfortunately, I don't seem to have boxes with either of the white borders, nor the Boyd black flag tip, nor Joe Morgan 87... which, along with the A*B* backs seem to be some of the toughest.

But did they come from the same case? If they did it's odd that 1 box had both variations, 1 box had only the Whiten and another box only had the Davis because both of them are from the E* sheet.

CMGsBBCs

06-02-2025 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat R (Post 2519009)

But did they come from the same case? If they did it's odd that 1 box had both variations, 1 box had only the Whiten and another box only had the Davis because both of them are from the E* sheet.

I just know I got them all at one local auction in Western PA in the late 1990s or early 2000's... so I can't say for sure if they were from the same case, as I didn't buy anything sealed... so someone else could have moved things around before... I don't think the individual boxes have any sort of markings to tell if they were from the same case or even factory... but they are the 24 packs per box, 34 cards per pack (no gum), 99c cello.

Pat R

06-09-2025 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CMGsBBCs (Post 2518413)

I also assume that the Glow and No-Glow backs were printed separately, whether at a different facility or just at a separate time with the "different" ink... but they were absolutely packaged together, whether in packs or factory sets. The one factory set I opened had both Glow & No-Glow backs (all cards from certain sheets were the same). There must have been some batch system with printing, then perhaps they were cut and/or packed at a different time/faclity and packed with the "other" sheets printed at a separate time/facility.

I think moving the variations to my "Bolds" binder will make the most sense... So much tedious fun ahead :( switching these cards around... again...

I'm now certain that they were printed seperately and I'm pretty sure it was at a different facility or at least a different location within the same facility.

I can tell with about 40% of the 792 cards if they're glow or no glow backs just by looking at the fronts based on consistent stray recurring print marks.

Here are a few examples and it doesn't matter if they came from an early or late box.

John Franco with a light green spot 24 glow backs all have it 15 no glow backs none have it

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Mike Stanton white dot by circle in topps logo 29 glow backs all have it 10 no glow backs none have it

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Alvin Davis light blue slash in right blue border 28 glow backs all have it 14 no glow backs none have it

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also the the #374 Larry Casain that's listed as a variation isn't a true variation the blemishes were never airbrushed out all of the no glow backs have them and none of the glow backs have them.

BuccaneersDen

07-13-2025 12:41 PM

Would anyone happen to know when Topps changed from wax packs in the 36ct. boxes to the cello type packaging during the production run of this set?
I only ask as I have been opening both types of boxes and am finding the glow back versions in abundance within the cellophane packs (11 sometimes 12 GB's per 15 card pack, but never less than half). Not a bad thing as I would like to put a glow back set together. Has anyone else found similar results?

Pat R

07-13-2025 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BuccaneersDen (Post 2527176)

I don't think there was a direct change over. For the most part there are more glow backs in the cello packs but I've had boxes of cello's where all of the cards were no glow. In almost all instances if all the packs in a box came from that box and packs weren't added from another box to make a full box all the packs will be the same as far as glow no glow backs. If you open a pack and only the C* sheet cards are no glow all of the packs in that box will have no glow C* sheet cards and the rest of the sheet codes in that box will be glow backs.

sthoemke

07-14-2025 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BuccaneersDen (Post 2527176)

I remember a pallet of cello packs at a grocery store before seeing wax packs hit the market.

I had bought a bunch of the cellos, and noticed that some cards had the bold logo, while other didn't, but didn't think much of it at the time. Of course, I had no clue about the glow-back cards back then.

aelefson

07-14-2025 09:48 AM

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Hi-

I do not know if this information helps, but I figured I would share. I recently opened a factory sealed set. I did not get any earlier Topps cards. For variations, I got none of the dark logo backs, all of the E/Fs, none of the checklist variations, none of the rare border variants, none of the stat variations, and the Whiten has his hand in the border. Below is my Boyd as I am not sure which version it is.

Alan

Pat R

07-14-2025 10:22 AM

As far as I know all of the factory sets are glow backs with no bold logo's.
Your Boyd is the pink banner tip over wrist. That variation is found on all glow backs the brown wrist over banner is found on all no glow backs.

aelefson

07-14-2025 10:27 AM

Thank you Pat!

Alan

judsonhamlin

08-06-2025 05:00 PM

Does anyone have images of the Dale Murphy variations? Trying to figure how convex and/or concave the border looks on these.

Also, I�m trying to sort what I think are at least two Jeff Kunkel variations where his cap crosses the frame, leaving either a blue �halo� or other color on the top. Anyone else notice this one?

Pat R

08-09-2025 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by judsonhamlin (Post 2531275)

Does anyone have images of the Dale Murphy variations? Trying to figure how convex and/or concave the border looks on these.

Also, I’m trying to sort what I think are at least two Jeff Kunkel variations where his cap crosses the frame, leaving either a blue ‘halo’ or other color on the top. Anyone else notice this one?

I think the Kunkel "halo" variations that you mention are just different color shifts. The blue and white "halo's" are by far the most common followed by no halo then red and the yellow is the least commom.

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There is a minor variation on the Kunkel but it is related to which back it has.

All of the glow backs have a small white area in his hair while all of the no glow backs are absent of the white area.
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judsonhamlin

08-10-2025 08:15 AM

Thanks, nice comparison photos.

BuccaneersDen

08-13-2025 05:51 PM

You are correct sir, I think that is exactly what happened in that box. Was the F* sheet the didn't glow. Thank you.

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BuccaneersDen

08-13-2025 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sthoemke (Post 2527279)

I am in Canada, and until very recently never saw the 15-card cello packs. Back then wax for both topps & o-pee-chee. Just happened to pick up a couple of boxes at the spring Expo in Toronto. Thanks for your reply.

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