is it just me or does the PD version of this look better? :)

That is like grading 101 type stuff. A print defect is caused by something in the printing of the card. A stain is something spilled on the card. This is elementary type stuff and should not happen.

Travis, you make excellent points. The policy is pretty clear to my eyes as well.
Absent details from the OP about these 3 examples, I'm not sure there's any real evidence to disprove the rule on Reholdering here, as you've laid out.

No doubt PSA has toughened up their grading of raw cards generally, since late 2019/2020. For those of us who have submitted for many years, there were always palpable shifts in grading 'toughness' that would occur every so often. But the latest shift was really significant.

That said, If a submitter is careful in selecting what to send in, he could do very well with PSA Reviews.
For fun, I have some examples here (top row of pic) of PSA being fair, if not very lenient -- but only the Reggie was submitted in 2022. The Ruth was maybe 2018, and the Jordan probably 2016 or so?
All were submitted in-holder, not cracked out.

To your point about nearly every old holder being weak for grade, I've actually had a lot of success as above getting half-point (or with the MJ a full point) bump with nice cards in holders from the years when PSA didn't do half-grades.
It is successful less of the time than it should be these days, but to my eye I think that the Old Holder cards in the lower row would/should all get a 1/2 point bump if sent in.
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Wow. Just wow. It's truly Stockholm Syndrome with some people and PSA

I always looked at it as they are just trying to protect the value of their collection.

It's just the scan, man, just the scan. :D

Interesting video from yesterday about a lawsuit brought against psa for reholdering a fake slab:

https://youtu.be/4iLQK1zcB3o

Yeah, it was linked up above :)

We may have talked this one to death but I wonder how eBay's Authenticity Guarantee, specifically for PSA graded cards, factors into this whole confusion with PSA's Reholder service apparent vulnerabilities.

Per eBay https://pages.ebay.com/authenticity-...-tradingcards/:

For graded cards, a PSA authenticator will verify that the case and label are authentic to the grade and check for any tampering and verify that the case and label are authentic to the grader. Cards will not be regraded.

Per the Terms and Conditions:

Description of the Authenticity Guarantee Service.

After the purchase of an Eligible Item (description in Section 5(a) below) on eBay.com, the item is shipped to a vetted third-party authentication partner (“Authentication Partner”) to carefully inspect the item for authenticity and accuracy against the item listing. Upon confirmation of the item by the third-party authentication partner, it is properly packaged and securely shipped to the buyer. If the item’s authenticity cannot be verified or the item is significantly not as described, the item is returned to the seller and a refund is issued to the buyer.

AUTHENTICITY GUARANTEE FOR TRADING CARDS DOES NOT INCLUDE GRADING SERVICES.

If the item condition or any other aspect of the trading card does not match the listing, the trading card will be returned from the Authentication Partner to the seller, with the purchase canceled and payment price returned to the buyer. By listing for sale or purchasing an Eligible Item, you acknowledge and agree that the Eligible Item will be sent to the Authentication Partner to perform the Services. More information about the Authentication Partner and Services may be found here (This is a link to the FAQ).

And under the FAQ:

What happens at the authenticator?

For graded cards, this involves inspecting the sealed plastic holder for signs of tampering and verifying that the case and label are authentic to the grader. Then they confirm the item is consistent with the listing title, images, and listing description.

Who is authenticating the cards?
For graded cards, Professional Sports Authenticator (PSA) is authenticating the sealed plastic holder, not the underlying card.

I agree at least in the sense that more information would be required. I have talked to people who have gotten money back from PSA's guarantee, though those circumstances may be different. But without full details, it's too vague to really make much of a judgement.

I had one recently. It was reholdered with no issues.

Yea - Never underestimate the ability of PSA to disenfranchise it's customer base.

Bumping this post… anyone have any recent reholder issues? Or were these three examples one offs?

Bumping this up again. Last week, I saw two examples on social media about reholders coming back in lower grades.

Hi Mike, was this sent in for review, reholder, or CrC? (Label correction)

This might be the issue.

Since shipping sucks, I sent in a card for "review" that was mislabeled. I figure let me get a bump and a new holder. Currently says crc assembly, so I believe they would not review it in the mislabeled slab. Hopefully they wont charge me! It will be tied for highest graded copy as is, a .5 will be highest, any lower and I'm looking for boku bucks

Could you share links to those posts?

[QUOTE=Republicaninmass;2329494]Hi Mike, was this sent in for review, reholder, or CrC? (Label correction)

I have a newer Clemente card that I think is overgraded, it was also mislabeled. I sent it in to have the label corrected and it came back with the same grade. Maybe they don't re-grade the CRC cards?

[QUOTE=jimq16415;2329533]That's my guess. Mine I had sent specifically for review...with the notation to relabel correctly and I was moved from review to crc

Still awaiting evidence that PSA is lowering grades on cards when people are using the reholder service.

I know there are some on this board that are doubting this, but I know for a fact this has happened, especially recently. I never said all, just that there are examples and that it can happen.

Agreed

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If you know it for a fact it should be very easy to post the evidence.

You could find a handful of people on Twitter who post that Bigfoot kidnapped their grandma. That doesn't mean anything. I have little but contempt for PSA and their incompetency, but there should be some reasonable basis here for a charge levied. I am unable to find one.

+1 here. As I said a few months ago, the only examples I have seen are where there were case issues or obvious issues (like a card submerged in water while in a slab). As has been asked numerous times, show the examples. Not hard to prove it exists if it in fact does exist.

I wonder if cards sent in for reholdered service count towards their stats of total cards graded per month?

But that shouldn't change the Pop report, unless they use a new cert #

No that's SGC who does that on reholder service.

The collecting public is the biggest enabler.

If you're not on the inside, you're on the outside looking in. With all the crappy service and subjectivity (accepting trimmed cards and looking the other way), the collecting public keeps begging for more and continues to pay for it.

Think about this - if a company doesn't honor their original subjective opinion and stiffs the public without any compensation by re-holdering with lower grade, then they're going to continue to do it because the collecting public (as a whole) allows/enables them to do so.

Until the collecting public gets their collective shittt together and boycotts, they're going to continue to get their asses handed to them.

I can almost recall "when it was a hobby". It hasn't for a long time now.

Every thread should have a picture of a card:

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Because the holder could have been damaged and this could damage the card thereby changing its condition. That is the only time I have had an issue with a reholder. Otherwise it’s a simple procedure like you’d expect. But to answer your question of hy it might not go simply, maybe they made an error the first time that is discovered in reholder They are human as shocking as that is they make mistakes. Expecting perfection is asinine. Of course that should be the goal but it’s not a reality. I know what would half this board do if they couldn’t complain about PSA and spout nonsense.

If it's just rumors, I understand the skepticism. If people have evidence, please share...