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bk400 09-15-2025 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2494035)
And the Polar Bear lives!!!

You can always count on the Polar Bear and Lindor.

bk400 09-22-2025 03:09 AM

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Need some positive mojo. And the Mets who personified positive mojo are Mookie Wilson and Wally Backman. Links to heartwarming interviews with Mookie Wilson and Wally Backman. The second Wally Backman interview involves baseball cards!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snfSDRPimGY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhTBLrAM49w

https://www.mlb.com/mets/video/mooki...ns-mlb-central

BobbyStrawberry 09-23-2025 12:47 PM

I still think they're going to make it. But if they don't, it will be one of the most disappointing seasons in recent MLB history. Remember when Uncle Stevie said "if we don't win a WS in 3-5 years, it will be a disappointment"?

bk400 09-23-2025 11:45 PM

In Lindor We Trust. Way to keep fighting tonight. Let's Go Mets!

BobbyStrawberry 09-28-2025 03:19 PM

Wheels coming off early for the Mets.

jayshum 09-28-2025 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2541054)
Wheels coming off early for the Mets.

Mets go out with a whimper, 4-0, after Reds lose to Brewers.

BobbyStrawberry 09-28-2025 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2541070)
Mets go out with a whimper, 4-0, after Reds lose to Brewers.

Absolutely epic collapse. Gotta believe that Mendoza is gone after this.

bk400 09-28-2025 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2541070)
Mets go out with a whimper, 4-0, after Reds lose to Brewers.

No heart. Left 20 on base. 0-8 with runners in scoring position. Edwin Diaz showed up at least. You can hear the hurt in Ron Darling and Keith Hernandez's voice during the postgame.

BobbyStrawberry 09-28-2025 05:17 PM

At least we get to listen to Ronnie in the playoffs (I think).

Carter08 09-28-2025 06:03 PM

Manager is definitely gone whether he deserves it or not. Tough to just buy a team, particularly when the person in charge of spending the money doesn’t do so on pitching.

bk400 09-28-2025 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Carter08 (Post 2541090)
Manager is definitely gone whether he deserves it or not. Tough to just buy a team, particularly when the person in charge of spending the money doesn’t do so on pitching.

Totally agree. Mojo matters, and this team had none.

The 2025 team had 5 players with fWAR with 3.0 or higher; the 2024 had only 1.

The 2025 team's top 5 players had fWAR that was 16% higher than the top 5 in 2024.

The 2025 had a generational getting on base talent that cost $765 million, while the 2024 team had Jose Iglesias.

BobbyStrawberry 09-29-2025 08:16 PM

So Bochy and Melvin are now available and they're going to keep Mendoza? Classic Mets stupidity.

bk400 09-29-2025 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2541362)
So Bochy and Melvin are now available and they're going to keep Mendoza? Classic Mets stupidity.

Wally Backman is also available. Now that Sandy Alderson is gone, Wally can get his chance again. The Mets don't have an issue with game management. There's just no heart. We need Wally Backman.

packs 12-10-2025 01:18 PM

What a winning strategy in Queens. Sign Soto for insane money only to let your franchise cornerstone and closer walk the next season. Great investment.

D. Bergin 12-10-2025 01:53 PM

Damn, Dodgers seem to be getting everybody. Maybe everyone wants to play with Ohtani. Too bad the Angels couldn’t figure that out.

D. Bergin 12-10-2025 02:12 PM

I am curious how Devin Williams does in Shea. If he finds his form again he could be a cheaper Edwin Diaz. I kind of hoped the Yanks would have brought him back, since he seemed to get his sea legs under him the 2nd half of the season, and he would have been much cheaper to sign then he would have been at the end of the previous year.

Interesting writeup on him here:

https://www.mlb.com/news/why-devin-w...emand-for-2026

Beercan collector 12-10-2025 02:40 PM

Pete Alonso is now on the Orioles

D. Bergin 12-10-2025 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Beercan collector (Post 2554179)
Pete Alonso is now on the Orioles

Damn, why did I think he was going to the Dodgers. Did I just imagine that?

Aquarian Sports Cards 12-10-2025 03:53 PM

Where would he play on the Dodgers?

D. Bergin 12-10-2025 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 2554207)
Where would he play on the Dodgers?

Good question. All I know is I got a bunch of news blasts on my phone with “Sources say” Alonso signing with Dodgers.

Thought maybe Feeeman decided to retire or something. Should have known better.

BobbyStrawberry 12-10-2025 09:23 PM

It's absolutely bonkers that Alonso got more $ than Schwarber (same number of years).

bk400 12-10-2025 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2554157)
What a winning strategy in Queens. Sign Soto for insane money only to let your franchise cornerstone and closer walk the next season. Great investment.

I don't understand what the Mets are doing either. Neither does Edwin Diaz, ergo he joins the Dodgers. I get it. Look at the Dodgers. They are all such winners. Not a sulker among them.

jayshum 12-10-2025 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2554260)
It's absolutely bonkers that Alonso got more $ than Schwarber (same number of years).

He's a few years younger and also plays a defensive position so not that surprising really.

BobbyStrawberry 12-10-2025 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2554270)
He's a few years younger and also plays a defensive position so not that surprising really.

Neither is being signed for their defense and Schwarber is substantially more valuable as a hitter.

Aquarian Sports Cards 12-11-2025 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2554276)
Neither is being signed for their defense and Schwarber is substantially more valuable as a hitter.

talk to me at the end of 5 years about that.

but even before that reckoning I disagree. They're pretty close to identical offensively for their careers looking at OBP, SLG, OPS and OPS+

Beercan collector 12-11-2025 07:48 AM

The Os are interesting - I don’t think there’s another team That rely so much on their draft picks, despite the numbers they are getting every opportunity to prove themselves - they had one of the lowest team salaries in the league before they went after Alonso - new manager - hasn’t equaled success yet but they seem to have a plan

packs 12-11-2025 08:36 AM

I think part of signing Soto would have been to make the Mets an enticing organization for players looking for new teams. But they can't keep their own players on their team.

Beercan collector 12-11-2025 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2554318)
I think part of signing Soto would have been to make the Mets an enticing organization for players looking for new teams. But they can't keep their own players on their team.

I think Os keep Mountcastle as the back up - Coby Mayo Would be a smart pick up for somebody - 517 chances at first base last year one error - only 304 major league bats but - now I know it was the minors, he had 906 OPS 1870 plate appearances, He’s eventually gonna hit

D. Bergin 12-11-2025 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2554270)
He's a few years younger and also plays a defensive position so not that surprising really.

Schwarber has been in the league much longer then Alonso, but is only 9 months older then him.

That said, I agree it’s not surprising. Contracts are pretty similar, one plays a position and one doesn’t. Schwarber might have a higher ceiling, but he also has a lower floor. WAR hates Kyle Schwarber. Alonso has been in the league 4 years less then him, but he still has a higher career WAR. Schwarber may have had the better most recent year, but Alonso has been more consistent overall.

BobbyStrawberry 12-11-2025 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2554328)
Schwarber has been in the league much longer then Alonso, but is only 9 months older then him.

That said, I agree it’s not surprising. Contracts are pretty similar, one plays a position and one doesn’t. Schwarber might have a higher ceiling, but he also has a lower floor. WAR hates Kyle Schwarber. Alonso has been in the league 4 years less then him, but he still has a higher career WAR. Schwarber may have had the better most recent year, but Alonso has been more consistent overall.

Look at their career walk rates, Schwarber's ability to work deep counts...both are poor defenders but Schwarber in LF right now is comparable to Pete at 1st. Both will be full time DHs very soon. Also Schwarber is regarded as a fantastic clubhouse guy, much higher reputation than Pete.

I would guess a "who'd you rather have" survey of Gms would result in far more choosing Schwarber. The Os wanted Schwarber but he turned them down.

BobbyStrawberry 12-11-2025 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Beercan collector (Post 2554310)
The Os are interesting - I don’t think there’s another team That rely so much on their draft picks, despite the numbers they are getting every opportunity to prove themselves - they had one of the lowest team salaries in the league before they went after Alonso - new manager - hasn’t equaled success yet but they seem to have a plan

Yeah, their plan is "we refuse to get better at SP while blocking all of our position player prospects"

Beercan collector 12-11-2025 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2554355)
Yeah, their plan is "we refuse to get better at SP while blocking all of our position player prospects"

Gotta agree with that they Need three quality starters - they could’ve kept Mayo/Mountcastle at first and used the Alonso money for pitchers

jayshum 12-11-2025 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2554328)
Schwarber has been in the league much longer then Alonso, but is only 9 months older then him.

That said, I agree it’s not surprising. Contracts are pretty similar, one plays a position and one doesn’t. Schwarber might have a higher ceiling, but he also has a lower floor. WAR hates Kyle Schwarber. Alonso has been in the league 4 years less then him, but he still has a higher career WAR. Schwarber may have had the better most recent year, but Alonso has been more consistent overall.

Schwarber is actually a year and 9 months older than Alonso. Schwarber really only has 2 more full seasons in the league, but Alonso does have the higher WAR.

D. Bergin 12-11-2025 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2554431)
Schwarber is actually a year and 9 months older than Alonso. Schwarber really only has 2 more full seasons in the league, but Alonso does have the higher WAR.

Yup, you’re right. I was off on the age. Schwarber has played 283 more games then Alonso, who has been pretty durable his time in the league.

All in all, I’m not too surprised they got pretty similar contracts.

jayshum 12-11-2025 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2554433)
Yup, you’re right. I was off on the age. Schwarber has played 283 more games then Alonso, who has been pretty durable his time in the league.

All in all, I’m not too surprised they got pretty similar contracts.

Neither am I, especially since the Orioles had apparently offered Schwarber the same money he got from the Phillies. I think they may have decided they didn't want to miss out on Alonso also, so they upped the offer to him.

Aquarian Sports Cards 12-11-2025 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2554328)
Schwarber has been in the league much longer then Alonso, but is only 9 months older then him.

That said, I agree it’s not surprising. Contracts are pretty similar, one plays a position and one doesn’t. Schwarber might have a higher ceiling, but he also has a lower floor. WAR hates Kyle Schwarber. Alonso has been in the league 4 years less then him, but he still has a higher career WAR. Schwarber may have had the better most recent year, but Alonso has been more consistent overall.

21 months older, you're missing a year in there.

Balticfox 12-11-2025 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2554318)
I think part of signing Soto would have been to make the Mets an enticing organization for players looking for new teams.

Hmmmmm. When Juan Soto is your team player and the glue that keeps the clubhouse together, there may be a problem.

;)

bk400 12-12-2025 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Balticfox (Post 2554492)
Hmmmmm. When Juan Soto is your team player and the glue that keeps the clubhouse together, there may be a problem.

;)

No doubt about that. The Dodgers are so much smarter. They pay up for team guys like Ohtani and Yamamoto and keep guys like Rojas and Kike Hernandez.

Meanwhile, we get the hedge fund version of a baseball team and pay up for a guy who makes no one else better and attracts no one else to the roster.

Maybe if we pay out the nose, we can sign Kyle Tucker or Cody Bellinger. But players talk, and I would think that if the money were in the same ballpark, those guys would rather sign with the Dodgers also.

I feel like this is like the Knicks and the Bulls in the 1990s. i hope I'm wrong, but I can see us never beating the Dodgers.

packs 12-12-2025 08:35 AM

I didn't mean Soto was glue, only that signing him was supposed to project an image of a team who wants to win, will spend big money, and when you make a big splashy signing like that, it's supposed to signal your team is a destination for other players like Soto.

Clearly it is not.

bk400 12-12-2025 08:59 AM

You could argue that Ohtani's deferral was the ultimate team move. Look at what that allowed the Dodgers to do. Would Juan Soto have deferred 95% of the value of his contract so the Mets could have signed a proper starting pitching staff? To be fair, not many superstars would. But that's the difference. The Dodgers sign superstars who are also team players.


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