“Beating the crap” ? As a fan i never felt they were doing that in the series but that’s just me.


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Forget the hangovers and other self inflicted issues, the guy played his whole career on a partially torn ACL and countless other injuries.

Neither is Ohtani, but the Babe was 87-45 from 1915 thru 1919 plus 3-0 in the World Series in an era of one round of post season games, not the current four.

He also hit 49 home runs in that five year dead ball span, which sounds better when you find out that the rest of Red Sox line up combined hit another 40.


None of us can possibly comprehend an era where a single player, starts game 1 of the World Series with a complete game shutout, takes the win in game 4, and would have pitched again in game 7 (so obviously is the team's ace), then hits 29 home runs the next year (cue Yanks interest followed by the complete and total mindset of how baseball is played) while the rest of his teammates combined to hit...

Wait for it...

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Ohtani is amazing, I get it, but come on, as I said in my initial post to this thread :



PS - I love Fred's Godzilla / King Kong analogy

.. And Godzilla was undefeated in Godzilla vs King Kong movies (1-0-1)
Original King Kong was only 24 feet tall - Godzilla 160+.
Also King Kong was a little messed up in the head ..

Interesting that, despite all the folks arguing for Ohtani, the poll is over 2 to 1 in favor of Ruth.

It was 3-1 yesterday so the Ohtani votes are closing the gap. The youngsters (under50) must be voting.

Ruth hit three home runs in a playoff game. Twice.

Some younger cats perspective on the clinching game .

https://youtu.be/Z17YL_G3wKQ?si=Y40B_noc8TYfdZ1S


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Did he pitch 6 scoreless innings while allowing 2 hits and strike out 10 in either of those games. Otherwise, no comparison.

They were World Series games, Ohtani has done virtually nothing in the World Series including pitching

Just fyi from AI regarding pitching. Babe Ruth had a 3-0 record with a 1.80 ERA in his 29.2 consecutive scoreless innings in the World Series, a record that stood for 43 seasons. He pitched 29 2/3 consecutive scoreless innings, including 13 shutout innings in Game 2 of the 1916 World Series and a complete 9 innings in Game 1 of the 1918 World Series. He pitched 22 innings in the 1916 World Series, and pitched 7.1 innings in Game 2 of the 1918 World Series, which also included a shutout inning that extended his record to 29.2

who is better...
 

Johnny Weissmuller (Tarzan) won five Olympic golds back in the twenties; he never lost a race. Never lost a race.

Stay with me....

Today, female swimmers have demolished all of his best times. It's been that way for a long while.

This is fun, you know, could Mohammad Ali beat Batman in a street fight, but whatever the sport, you can't compare one moment in time to another.

Are today's athletes better conditioned, of course. I don't particularly like the way baseball is played today, but the one constant remains: score one more run than the other guys and if you gotta change your approach, so be it.

Ah if only any one of us could have been around to see and feel this would have been cool. As a fan of today’s baseball i bet it would have been great. Guessing something just like the Dodgers game couple nights ago !


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Did he also hit 3 home runs in any of those games?

I don't need AI to bet against it.

The combination of the two feats in the same game set Ohtani apart like it or not.

He has only played in one World Series so far, and he was recovering from elbow surgery, oh and he dislocated his shoulder in the playoffs. So of course he hasn't pitched in a World Series...yet.

Hmmmm. A feat so astonishing that it's seemingly impossible.

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Quoting AI should be banned completely, and not reading what AI says before you quote it instantly causes any valid opinions you might have to be tinted by your AI based claims that 29.2 scoreless innings somehow gives a pitcher a 1.80 ERA

For a split second I thought you said Bartman

According to AI King Kong was only 12 feet tall in the original movie.

Not sure how he held Fay Wray in his hand if he was only twice as tall as me, although maybe she was a munchkin...

checking...



Nope, not a munchkin, although AI says that it's a common misconception that she was.

His actual stats are pretty impressive. 3-0 with a 0.87 ERA. AI is coming whether folks on the forum want it to or not. Sorry to break the news.

You're right that AI is coming, but a lot of what it told you was wrong. He only pitched 14 innings in the 1916 World Series not 22.

Completely agree

Where would he have played in the field without the DH after his surgery? Would he have done a Rico Carty and played in the outfield and threw the ball underhanded? Anyone remember that?

Against an overrated team with 1/3 the payroll.

Hard to call the Brewers overrated when they had the best record in baseball during the season.

The 2025 Brewers pitchers would probably no hit the 1927 Yankees multiple times in a 7 game series

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I'm perfectly fine with AI.

What I have a problem with is people who treat the info it gives them as if it were facts, when it is actually easily dis-proven drivel.

We all use the interwebs for facts that we use in this and other conversations, but some of us do a better job than others of fact checking what we find before we put it in our posts.

Doug "AI told me that I am not Shaquille O'Neill" Goodman

K. You get a cookie for fact checking hard before posting on a baseball card forum.

No asshole, I get the cookie for not being a dick.

And if you have so little respect for this forum, or any conversation that you are having probably, that you think fact checking is bad thing then so be it. Blocked.

Doug "my middle name is Dick" Goodman

C’mon now ... AI fan �� edit: Please don’t block me

No. 1920, there were 16 teams of 23-25 guys in a country with a population just over 100 million and no players from outside the US and no non-white players. In 2025, the population is 342 million. To have the same proportion of players, you'd need to have 46-48 teams instead of 30. And that's not even accounting for non-white and Non-American players now competing for spots.

I have no current plans to block you Eric. Insert smiley face here.


I'm not opposed to AI at all, I'm opposed to idiots using it.

Similar to I appreciate the existence cars, but some people shouldn't be allowed to drive them.


And yes I'm calling you an idiot Carter08, most recent addition to my blocked list. Be aware that every time you post in a thread that I am reading instead of seeing your post I will see this message "This user is on your Ignore List." and it will make me smile.

Doug "smiling at this moment" Goodman

But ... but ... men were MEN in those days and players today are a bunch of pussies who are laid up by a hangnail. :D

:confused::confused::confused: What is happening in this thread

We're just being smartasses. Don't take this stuff too seriously.

Personally from literally across the country, I dislike the fact that he is pitching again. He is amazing as even a blind man can see, but he is one pitch from potentially being irrelevant. That folks, is something no fan deserves.

And a card! Ohtani's first Japanese rookie card. The back is kind of cool -- talks about his manager in Japan, Hideki Kuriyama, whom Ohtani later credits for giving him the opportunity to flourish as a two-way star. Also some highlights from the big high school championships in Japan.

Folks are entitled to their opinions, no matter how stupid they might be. Hell, I've met a few people in my life who have seriously maintained that The Beatles were overrated.

Yeah. Mickey Mantle, Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson/Jordan and Taylor Swift are all far more overrated than the Beatles.

;)

And some of us just roll our eyes when we see how present day entertainers including professional athletes are pampered.

;)

Don Newcombe was a great hitter who Walter Alston would sometimes use as a pinch hitter.

Doug, I want to assure you that I was not a member of the Yakuza when I lived in Japan. My lack of tattoos and full number of digits would substantiate me.

This isn’t really debatable. I’m sure Yelich would also struggle hitting a dirty emery ball in the 6th inning with no stadium lights and a 40-48oz bat.

Maybe the way to compare Ruth and Ohtani is more about how dominant they were in their eras, compared to their peers. Was anyone even close to what Ruth was doing? Is anyone even close to what Ohtani is doing? I give Ruth the edge in this context.

But why should this single game performance by Ohtani be the measuring stick? I’m confused. Ohtani is a tremendous talent obviously that has been primarily a DH and unfortunately for all of us, has not been able to throw to the best of his ability consistently due to injury, either as a defender or a pitcher. Hes one of the greatest of the modern era for sure. But Game 4 of the 2025 NLCS isn’t why.

Not just hard but very clearly wrong.

Has Shohei Ohtani played any position other than DH or pitcher in MLB? Is he really that bad a position player?

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Now thats funny. Michael Jackson/Jordan more overrated than the Beatles???? Whatever youre smoking get off of it now!

If Ohtani played in the past they'd stick him in RF/LF depending on how much they value his arm and would play a boring OF, maybe a bit below average at worst.

He's fast. He's got a great arm (accurate and fast). He's playing DH out of team preference.

Let's not pretend he is absolutely incapable of playing passable defense. We've got plenty of tape seeing him do it in Japan and his legs are just fine. There's video you can watch yourself.

He's an all-star quality pitcher. He's an all-star quality hitter. He has no peer, now or historic that's on his level.