how do i tell?
 

couldnt find the info i need anywhere else, so it seems appropriate here, even though its an older thread.

how do i tell a 1966 topps venezuelan card from a topps regular issue? some seem to have the T.C.G. line and some dont. im at a loss.....

help?

--mike kilo.

http://www.psacard.com/cardfacts/bas...ela-topps/6061

1966 Topps Venezuelan

Continuing with even-numbered years only, the next Topps Venezuelan set was 1966. This was another 370-card set matching the first 4 series. The backs are the only distinguishing feature – they are noticeably darker.

Hall of famers (29): Willie Mays, Phil Niekro, Jim Hunter, Billy Herman MG, Mickey Mantle, Carl Yastrzemski, Tony Perez, Red Schoendienst, Sandy Koufax, Ernie Banks, Walter Alston MG, Harmon Killebrew, Lou Brock, Jim Palmer, Orlando Cepeda, Whitey Ford, Joe Morgan, Eddie Mathews, Bill Mazeroski, Willie Stargell, Don Sutton, Roberto Clemente, Frank Robinson, Bob Gibson, Hank Aaron (subset only), Willie McCovey (subset), Billy Williams (subset), Juan Marichal (subset), Don Drysdale (subset)

Ford C. Frick award winner Bob Uecker also has a card in this set.

thank you, i would have never even thought of that. guess my Mick is a US-issue, as the "pink" on the back isnt nearly as dark as some of the photos i've seen........

--mike kilo.

Mike,

Send me a picture or post one if you want a second set of eyes on it.

Chris

What is a Venezuelan card?

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A card issued in Venezuela.

That's odd, they're not printed in Spanish.

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Most aren't. Some of them say "hecho in Venezuela." And the 67's are in Spanish, but there's a lot of evidence those weren't actually issued by Topps.

So if they're not print in Spanish how do you know they are Venezuelan

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Depends on the year. I'll break it all down for you tomorrow. The 64's are the easiest. Backs of American 64's are in Orange, Venies in black.

Thanks it sounds like a counterfeit operation

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Some more Venezuelan info.

http://www.psacard.com/Articles/Arti...AyNDgxNTc0MwS2

It's not a counterfeit operation. You can tell the difference because the card stock used to make the cards is noticeably cheaper in quality. The cards, when held in hand come off as very fragile. Also, none of the VZs have any gloss on them like their American counterparts. Topps made them to take advantage of the growing popularity of baseball in Venezuela. Those are the #1 ways to tell the difference between a VZ Topps card and an American Topps card.

Now, if you're talking about the '67s, oh ya, those are counterfeit, IMO.

Here are the '59s I got. :)

Wow those are great!

Nice additions how's close are you to completing your team set.
Also do you guys know of any body that does psa group submissions by any chance?

I do once in a while, but I don't have one brewing

Ok thanks

As of now I'm two cards short. I messed up my master list and deleted a card I don't have, so I need the '59 Bruton and the '68 Aaron. I have a lead on the Bruton, but the Aaron is gonna be my white whale. I've only ever seen one on eBay and I was offered to purchase another one through the yahoo vz group, but it was a psa 6 and they wanted mid-hundreds for it and that's way outside my budget at the moment.

Any info on these being counterfeit would be greatly appreciated. Don't have any just trying to add a little knowledge. I did have a Joe DiMaggio Retirado and I could easily see it as being a fantasy card with the horrible picture quality. The one I had was in both SGC(X2) and PSA slabs.

Ryan and I have had extensive discussions about the 67's and what he means to say is that there is a growing belief within the hobby that they're not issued by Topps, that they're a pirated issue. I am of that belief. From a design standpoint (no borders, shitty picture quality) to the checklist (all the others follow a portion of the American Topps checklist exactly while the 67's have the retirado subset and also some players like bobby cox who were playing in Venezuela but not part of the American set) to the fact that there's more Spanish than you usually find in a Topps Venezuelan issue.... It just doesn't add up. Plus, starting in 1960, Topps issued Venies in even years: 1960, 62, 64, 66, 68. Why throw in 67? A lot doesn't make sense.

Even if pirated, which I think is likely the case, I don't think they should be classified as counterfeit as they aren't exactly counterfeits in the traditional sense.

Agreed.

It's been awhile since I've done any research. Let me look around and talk to a couple of people and I'll get back to you on that.

And to add to that, no other Topps VZ year has Venezuelan League cards.

I am trying to collect a Braves Topps base card master set, which includes American, Venezuelan, and Canadian Topps cards, so for me I discount the '67 set from that list because I don't believe they were made or distributed by Topps at all.

That makes sense. I excluded the Mantle Mask from my run as I don't believe it was produced by Topps.

Thank you, it would be greatly appreciated. Do you believe them to be printed in the proper time frame or are they a more modern fantasy set?

I understand there is a printer in Venezuela that was/is still printing the Venezuelan Topps cards and aging them. Not just the 67's but all years. I think there was even a thread on here about it warning people about the Venezuelan eBay seller that was peddling them.

The 1968 VZ Aaron is a super tough card. I have seen only a handful over the years. I am lucky to own one although the condition leaves much to be desired. Now, about a 1968 VZ Ryan rookie.............

The 1967 Venezuelan's are some of the toughest cards to find. I would think that Topps would have gone after any company infringing on their property - namely the cards they printed in 1967. There is evidence of packs and an album like other years. Perhaps like so many of the test issues of the era, Topps was testing some new ideas with the set. In all cases (even if it wasn't issued by Topps) the 67 Venezuelans are a BEAST to collect. It is certainly convenient (if it's not Topps - then I don't choose to collect it) to make a case for it not being a Topps product.

Howard

Considering the current political and social climate over there, I don't think anyone is printing fakes today, nor have I heard of anything like that in the past.

I don't think there would be much Topps could do if someone in Venezuela released a set that looked similar to Topps set. Here in this thread someone posted that the '67 set isn't listed as a Topps set; if I remember correctly.

Two questions. Are you interested in selling it and for how much? As long as there's no paper loss on the front condition doesn't matter to me. Message me with a number. :)

If anyone here is interested, I put up a list on the BST of Venezuelan dupes I have for trade from 1967 MLB, 1964, and 1970 Ovenca.


http://net54baseball.com/showthread....25#post1603025

I can't help but to think you're a sadist. Only a sadist would try to collect the '67 VZ set. :D

I wish you good luck, though. I have a '67 Carty, but I didn't see it on your needs list. If you need it send me a message and we can work something out.

Not for sale at this time. All the best.

I figured as much. If it ever is, let me know. :)

Big Fat Venezuelan Mail Day:

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...ws%20front.jpghttp://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...ews%20back.jpg

I'm a big fan of Mathews. I know Ryan already has one, but I'm happy to add this one to my collection.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...Cov-Wagner.jpg

My 2nd 64 Venz McCovey. Have his regular card too.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...en%20front.jpghttp://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...len%20back.jpg

Dick/Richie Allen was no slouch! ROY in 64, MVP in 72, 8-time All Star, six 30+ HR seasons. Finished his career with .292 batting average and 351 HRs. Career OPS .912

If you haven't yet, please check out my 64 Venz registry. Only 15 cards so far (I have a Gilliam I need to sub), but loaded with HOFers and stars:

http://www.psacard.com/psasetregistr...timeset/215107

Excellent cards! The Mathews looks great.

Great cards.


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Landed a white whale
 

I once told my friend that the card below was the baseball card I wanted most for any of my projects. He responded with a couple of tough Yaz cards. I said fine, the most of any non-Yaz baseball card. 4 HOFers on one card. Mays and the Hammer. 1964 Venz, a set I collect. I thought I would never afford one, especially in better-than-poor condition. And then this happened:

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...rs%20front.jpghttp://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...drs%20back.jpg

Seriously a hobby high!

This card came as part of a lot of 9 which was loaded with stars: 3 more HOFers, a couple of MVPs, numerous all stars, and a Red Sox common to top it off. Of the 9, I decided to keep 8 and sub 7 to PSA for my Venz registries. Here are the others I deemed sub-worthy:

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...20Stargell.jpg

Venz version of the 2nd year card and first solo Topps card of the HOFer later known as "Pops." I love this card, despite the tape stains.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...ng-Pascual.jpg

Boyer was an MVP and, as we know, Bunning is in the HOF. Pascual was no slouch either

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...2%20Geiger.jpg

Pinson was another All Star. Geiger wasn't, but he was a member of my beloved Sox.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...%20Mathews.jpg

Weird to see Eddie Money in a Tigers uni, but he's still a HOFer (on the cheap). Pairs nicely with the 64 Venz Mathews I recently picked up.

The last 2 cards in the lot were 64's: a WS Game 4 (feat. Frank Howard) and a Clay Dalrymple. I'll keep the Howard, but it has a torn corner, so I don't want it in my registry. The Dalrymple will go on eBay unless somebody here wants to buy/trade.

Not as weird as Jack White.

Congrats on the find! Right now I'm saving some money for the '68 VZ Aaron. That's my must get right now. I'm hoping I'll have the dough soon.

My latest 64 Venz has my main man on it:

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...az%20front.jpghttp://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...Yaz%20back.jpg

Killebrew 1968 Venezuelan Topps #220 PSA 8
 

I have a 1968 Venezuelan Harmon Killebrew #220 PSA 8 coming back from PSA. I am hoping I can get some value help on this. Its a pop 1 and next highest is a PSA 5. I don't see many 8's on the market. I have a few people interested now so any help would be nice.

Thanks

Added this one:

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...az%20front.jpg

See response in other thread.

Most recent Yaz Venezuelan addition:

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...0Ven%20Yaz.jpg

DB, you never disappoint!

I've got a read on my last Braves VZ card and I should be able to get it soon. As soon as I get it, I'll post the entire run.

Awesome, please do!

Mr. McNally is the newest addition to my 1967 MLB set. Now have 93.


If anyone is interested, I have 30+ duplicates from this set available for trade for players I need, (including dupes of several Hall Of Famers: Mathews, Mazeroski, Bunning, Killebrew, McCovey, Morgan).

My Net54 Venezuelan album: http://www.net54baseball.com/album.php?albumid=867

Holy crap, that Mays is the nicest Venezuelan card I've ever seen!

Thanks Dan!
I thought the same thing when I first saw it, and couldn't believe it was Spanish back Venezuelan. But it was and I gulped and snatched it up as quick as I could

I second DBesse, that card is amazing!!!! You don't have to answer, but what did you pay for that? I know it had to be a lot.

Vene
 

That Mays is NICE! One of the nicest I've seen in any of the Venezualen cards.

I tell you what that McNally looks very nice as well... go O's!

Paid a penny under $4K.
It listed on ebay and I happened to be searching at the moment for new listings. Made an offer right away, waited. The page fews mounted. Then a few minutes later decided to pull the trigger on the ask.
My guess is that I would get my money back if I ever decided to sell it. What do you guys think?

I doubt you'll ever want to part with it such that it is a moot point :).

For these types of cards, I've always found it is very difficult to predict price. If you listed it again, you could take a huge loss on it or do really well. The lack of steady demand for oddball items really leads to some fluctuations. Ylu may have been the only one looking for that card at the time, but who knows who will be looking if you ever need to part with it? One registry guy and you've got a substantially more valuable card. I know, if I collected Mays, I would have had a difficult time not pulling the trigger at that price, particularly as poor versions of other players being around that price.

X2! Very nice card!

HI Brian,

I'll give you every penny you paid in a heartbeat. I saw it in the sold listings! Incredible card and off the charts in that condition. Happier to know was you who got it. Great buy!

Howard

Psa7
 

Personally I think it was well worth the money spent. Haven't seen many as nice as the Mays. I think it would have likely sold at that price to someone else if you didn't acquire it first. Congrats on the pickup!

Sent this one off 5 days ago for a signature and it arrived yesterday. Last professional ball player to bat .400 in a season:

Never knew that. Awesome card.

The mays is also killer +9 lol

This guy hit .500 4 times..... and .667 1 time.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...orstte01.shtml

If I were a betting man, I'd say you'd get more than what you paid if you considered selling it right now. :)

The run is complete! I now have every Venezuelan Topps Braves base cards. I am waiting for the last card to come in and once I have it in hand I will post the entire run.

Congrats on the Aaron! Can't wait to see them all

Wasn't there some low number 67 card which less than 5 copies exist. IIRC, didn't Olbermann pay a ton of money for that card I'm referring to

I recently picked up a couple of very nice 1977 Venezuelans for my Reds collection. The Bench is the highest graded.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...ps7mz5w3kb.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...psnxlynlvd.jpg

Awesome Bench!

My card is hung up in Venezuela at FedEx. It's been nearly 2 weeks and no tracking info has been updated. I contacted the seller and he's looking into it. He's confident I'll get the card. I'll have no choice, but to give it another week and then facilitate a return, which really sucks.

Ryan, I hope it comes! I've bought a bit from Venezuela and it all seems to show up sooner or later.

I've gotten every package so far from Venezuela but the last one "missed pick-up time" and was a week late.


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I buy a lot from Venezuelan sellers and my packages have varied from three days to three weeks. Twice they got hung up at the same located assuming it is a customs location and they can sit there for quite awhile but I have gotten every package eventually. Rick

I've bought quite a few VZs from Venezuela as well and never had an issue. He has 100% feedback, and I'm fairly sure I've bought from him before, with no issues, so when he said he dropped it off I believe him.

I asked him if he wouldn't mind heading over there and seeing what's up and he told me that they were looking for the package. With everything that's going on in Caracas, I wouldn't be surprised if things aren't running 100% efficiently, but I wonder at what point should I pull the plug, it's been 3 weeks and no status update on the tracking. I'm gonna message him on Wed. asking him to go down there, have them locate the package, and update the tracking manually. I paid a few hundred dollars for the card, it's the least he can do, right? Or am I being paranoid and asking for too much?

As an aside, I looked up FedEx in Caracas on Google and it says it's permanently closed, but I have no idea if that's recent or not. I have only heard of the gov. taking over the GM plant. Haven't heard anything about FedEx.

Great news on the Venezuelan front. Tracking shows the card was picked up today and I should get it on Friday, so pictures will be forthcoming. :D

64 mick
 

Picked up the 64 mick for my set down to five cards to finish the set. Rick

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Congrats, Rick, that's a big one!