Jon,

I echo Eddie's sentiment and am also thrilled to have you as part of the thread. I have seen your posts on the non-sports forum and have read many of them repeatedly. I've also visited your site a couple of times.

I'm (very slowly) working on the T36 and know that you have completed it. I'm excited to learn anything from you about the set that I can, over time.

For those interested, I have picked up another T36 since my last post. For anyone interested, click here!

Have a great weekend, everyone!
-kin

Kin - thank you.

If you REALLY want a challenge, try doing a "master" T36 set (4 backs for each front, total 100 cards). It took me over 40 years! Each front has backs advertising either Mecca or Hassan and printed with either factory 30 or 649.

If you are doing the 25 card set (back information unimportant) of the T36, and wish to speed up the process, all fronts are readily available in most lower grades.

Jon.

I thought $390 for the complete set of T36s that recently sold at Huggins and Scott was a great price for a buyer; less than $16 a card for a complete set. I don't expect everyone to be an expert on 1910s Indy racing, but the listing seemed to miss the boat a bit by not even showing the Barney Oldfield card or mentioning its condition when discussing the key cards of the set.

I know I have mentioned this to Kin previously in a PM, but Oldfield just looks so cool chomping on his cigar in his T36 card.

I would have liked to have gone after that T36 set at Huggins and Scott, but I can't buy every card/set I want.

Kin, I didn't realize you were up to 21/25 drivers from the T36 set. Nice progress. :)

I use to be a Huge Earnhardt Sr. fan. Collected all sorts of things.
I still watch the races on the tube.
I had to look up the 1986 card you were referring to.
Speaking of the RARE 1986 card, found a almost complete set on Ebay-- with the Earnhardt:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-86-NasC...-/263215155186
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/67MAAO...0H/s-l1600.jpg

Wish I had seen it!

Eddie - do you have the 1982 Kidco Earnhardt? I believe his first card.

Jon.

I have that listing on my watch list; it is priced high. I lost out at auction for an Earnhardt card from that set at around $350 about a year ago. The other cards in the set do not sell for a whole lot. The really weird thing is that the seller of the lot you are talking about originally priced the lot at $595 and found no bidders -- so the seller raised the price to $675 and did not find any bidders. After finding no bidders at $595 and $675, the seller then again raised the starting price to $725. Gee, I wonder what will happen now that the price has again been raised. :rolleyes:

The seller of that lot is the same one that ended the lot early for the 1972 STP cards and left money on the table by not allowing the auction to play out to conclusion.

Here is the link from the auction, Jon:

http://aug17.hugginsandscott.com/cgi...l?itemid=19455

I wasn't familiar with the Kidco card until you mentioned it; I had to go look it up. The '83 UNO card is almost always listed as Earnhardt's "rookie" card (other than some late '70s/early '80s postcards). I think the reason the Kidco card doesn't get recognition as an Earnhardt card is because the card features a pack of cars and is titled "Drafting to win" rather than identifying Earnhardt by name.

Eddie - thanks for the link. Like I posted above, wish I had seen it BEFORE it ended. Those are some nice cards!

Jon.

Jon - That is certainly the goal. Not sure I have 40 years left in me, but I'm certainly going to give it a whirl!

Every once in a while, someone will post a piece of bodywork on eBay that is purported to be from Gordon Smiley's horrific fatal crash at Indy in 1982. The auctions usually get shut down pretty quickly.

But an item up for auction at Lelands right now seems in pretty bad taste for an auction house. Who would actually bid on half the steering wheel used by Art Pollard in his fatal 1973 crash at Indy?

https://lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=83983

I'm all about preserving history, but there are some things that I just can't see myself doing.

On another note, I feel like prices are creeping up on the T36 cards. A three-card lot ended last night on eBay and I ended up the underbidder. I really thought my bid was strong enough based on what I've gotten other cards for. Maybe it was the condition on these or something. They were all drivers that I've seen often enough that I wouldn't call them "scarce" by any means.

-kin

I saw that lot and wondered if you won it.

1959 Daytona 500 Tickets
 

Hi All,

My Mom picked these up at an estate sale, they were actually packed away in a pocket of a small suitcase that she had purchased. She had know idea the tickets were in there - she said there was also a flattened starfish "super flat" that was in another pocket. :)

I have looked all over and can not find any sold or for sale examples... I can find some online - one is graded on PSA database... But that's it... Can anyone help her with value?

I am disappointed in my photos that I took (we were in a dark restaurant) as I think they look better than this - brighter blue and a gloss to them. They look like they have been stored for a long time as far as colors not fading...

Awesome ticket stubs, Shawn. I don't think they are worth a ton of money, though. I will say maybe $50-100 each. There was a '59 Daytona 500 ticket on eBay earlier this year that failed to attract any bids at a $195 starting price.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-19...p2047675.l2557

Huggins and Scott auctioned off a PSA 6 from the first Southern 500 at Darlington (1950) a few years ago and that ticket stub brought $220. That was the only 1950 Southern 500 stub that has been authenticated by PSA.

But I have also seen raw stubs from the first Southern 500 fail to sell on eBay priced at under $100.

http://dec13.hugginsandscott.com/cgi...l?itemid=63042

Thank you
 

Hi Eddie,

I wanted to say thank you for the information - big help! She will be thrilled :)

I need to go through the ticket stubs my dad passed down to me. There were some Indy 500 I believe from the 70s/80s.

No problem. :) Like I said, that is a best guess. Even Indy 500 ticket stubs don't sell for much money, except for the very early ones from the 1910s and 1920s.

Jon & Eddie,

If someone is going to be able to help me out with these, it is probably you gentlemen. I'm looking for any information you can give me on this card (it is front and back).

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4639/...e09709ef_b.jpgimg076 by kekinsley, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4688/...bf4144d5_b.jpgimg075 by kekinsley, on Flickr

I believe that at one time, I read that these 3x4 cards were associated with a board game. They obviously are Parkhurst and a brother to the Hawes Wax cards. I also feel like I read that there were six cards in total. This is all from memory though.

Is there any additional information you can give me and/or any reference to them online? I'd like to get them into my collection on Trading Card Database, but need some more information. In addition to the card pictured I have Bill Holland/Floyd Roberts, Mauri Rose/Tommy Milton, Rodger Ward/Floyd Davis & Mauri Rose, Pat Flaherty/Lee Wallard and Betterhausen In Pits/Bob Sweikert.

Any information is truly appreciated. I hope that everyone has an enjoyable and safe Christmas!

-kin

Kin, I am only somewhat familiar with the cards you posted. I know that 12 of the images from the 1960 Hawes Wax Indy cards were produced on six oversized cards. Here is a Beckett link that references the Canadian game that included the six cards, but I can't be much more helpful beyond that:

https://www.beckett.com/racing/1960/hawes-wax-indy

There isn't much additional information to be found online. A couple of Worthpoint completed auctions make passing reference to the game, but shed no details on a name or anything like that.

Like a lot of other people, I lost my scans when Photobucket went to a pay format. I finally broke down and rescanned some of the collection into an imageevent gallery. I put together a gallery of my graded 1972 STP cards and wrote a description of each card/the set as a whole.

I am not a huge PSA registry guy. My complete set does not grade as high as fellow net54 member "Justus." But as rare as some of the cards are, I am glad to have an example of every card.

https://imageevent.com/eddiesmithcards/1972stpcards

Thanks for sharing, Eddie! I’d love to have a copy of the Allison STP (will never happen). You mention it being the second most valuable racing card, what’s your estimate of going rate, should one surface?

I believe I’ve mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I am jealous that you have that Foyt Marhoefer. That’s one that someday I plan to have. I think Lloyd Ruby also has a Marhoefer card. Someday I hope to come into one.

Kin, I sent you a PM.

Are you making any more progress on your T36 set? Do you already have a Barney Oldfield T36 card? I have been looking for an Oldfield T36 for a couple years now, and he never seems to show up on eBay. Edit: I just looked at your gallery. You are looking for an Oldfield also. LOL

I actually decided to create a gallery for my STP cards because I was talking about the set on a message board with other racing fans, and a couple posters were intrigued by the cards because they were stick and ball card collectors, but were not familiar with the STP racing set.

I believe earlier in the thread we mentioned the 1960 Parkhurst Indianapolis Speedway Winners/Hawes Wax Indy set. I saw this blog post a few days ago with scanned images of the June 20, 1960 copy of "The Card Collector." It mentions, very briefly, the Parkhurst set. There's nothing much to take away from it that we didn't know, other than learning that the set was released in the earlier part of the year, and in the months leading up to the race.

Doubling Up

-kin

Eddie,

You already saw, but Oldfield is one of the three left that I need. Truth be told, when it comes available, we should talk. No need getting into a needless bidding war. I know it’ll be awhile, but another will eventually come available!

Oh, I won't get into a bidding war over it. I know you are working on the set. :) I kinda wish I would have went harder at the T36 set that sold at Huggins and Scott earlier this year., but there are a bunch of things on my want list.

Racing lost one of the best dirt-track drivers in the country Saturday night when Sprint Car driver Jason Johnson was killed in a horrific crash at Beaver Dam, Wisconsin.

Johnson, 41, was a five-time American Sprint Car Series (ASCS) 360 champion. He also won 12 career World of Outlaws features including two this season. But Johnson is most known for his thrilling win in the 2016 Knoxville (Iowa) Nationals. The Knoxville Nationals pays $150,000 to win, and there is no bigger dirt track race anywhere than the Knoxville Nationals.

Reactions from around the racing world:

https://nesn.com/2018/06/racing-worl...jason-johnson/

Johnson was just the second World of Outlaws driver killed in the past 20 years. This is almost too hard to believe (and just absolutely awful), but Johnson's wife, Bobbi, was the fiancee of racer Kevin Gobrecht when Gobrecht was killed in a World of Outlaws race at Greenwood (Neb.) in 1999.

Here is a very sad, hard to read, article that talks about Johnson's widow dealing with the death of Gobrecht back in 1999. The couple has planned to marry in November of that year, but Gobrecht was killed on September 24.

https://www.kevingobrecht.com/tribut...eyJackson.html

Everyone who has grown up around racing knows that racing people are the best, The official GoFundMe page that the World of Outlaws set up for Johnson's wife and five-year-old son has received over $37,000 in donations in just 24 hours.

https://www.gofundme.com/JasonJohnsonForever41

Here it is: This is the biggest win of Jason Johnson's career -- the 2016 Knoxville Nationals. Even if you have never seen a Sprint Car race, check out the five-minute highlight video of the race. The closing laps featured Johnson and 10-time Knoxville Nationals winner Donny Schatz exchanging slide jobs while trading the lead back and forth. This video is definitely worth watching, one of the best dirt-track races a fan could ever see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-nseJnSul0

A couple more great articles about Jason Johnson beyond his accomplishments on the track:

https://sprintcarunlimited.com/jason...nd-and-person/

Here is an Australia-based website that talks about Johnson's rise through the ranks. Journeyman World Of Outlaw Sprint Car driver Steve Beitler gave the 17-year-old Johnson a chance to help out on his crew, even though Johnson had never wrenched on a Sprint Car before. Beitler related the story on Facebook yesterday about Johnson going from not even knowing how to mount and dismount tires to winning the biggest dirt track race in the world with a self-owned team over the course of 20 years.

https://www.speedcafe.com/2018/06/25...-johnson-dies/

I just wanted to give a heads up on here to an outstanding racing book that I finished reading a few days ago: "J.D. The Life and Death of a Forgotten NASCAR Legend" by Brock Beard.

https://www.amazon.com/J-D-Forgotten...=UTF8&qid=&sr=

I am not affiliated with the book or anything like that; it's just a fabulous read. Initially, I thought how interesting can a book be about a guy who ran 653 Cup races and never won (J.D. McDuffie) ? But after a reading a few of the Amazon reviews, I decided to buy the book. There is a reason the Amazon reviews are what they are for the book; it is outstanding. The book really makes me think differently about McDuffie and all the independent Cup racers of that era. About half the book is about McDuffie's overall racing career and his struggles as racing in the Cup series became increasingly expensive in the 1980s, while the other half of the book is about the fateful weekend at Watkins Glen (N.Y.) during which McDuffie lost his life. The book also touches on the hardship of his family following his death and what so many of the people involved with his team did in the decades since.

When I look at what the Cup series is now, McDuffie's story seems like it happened a million years ago,.

Among the things that really stood out to me:

* McDuffie had difficulty reading and writing (something I also learned about Rich Vogler after reading John Sawyer's book about him many years ago), and he rarely if ever allowed anyone else to drive his "Old Blue" ramp truck to and from the races.

* He typically allotted himself one stogie for each 100 miles of a race. A good day was when he smoked all five cigars during a 500 miler because it meant that he finished the race.

* The book also contains a great chapter of close McDuffie friend and fellow independent Jimmy Means. Means was involved in the Watkins Glen accident that killed McDuffie. After giving a shellshocked interview with Ned Jarrett following the crash, Means was so distraught that he immediately left Watkins Glen that day.

* I had known about McDuffie winning a match race in a Late Model at Shangri-La (New York) Speedway among various crew guys the night before the Watkins Glen race, but the night at Shangri-La is really fleshed out in the book. McDuffie drove the car of track points leader Tom Schwarz that night. For the first time in decades, McDuffie felt what it was like to have the best car in the field; he started last in the eight-car field that night and took the lead on the second lap. In Victory Lane, promoter Dale Campfield gave McDuffie a handshake with a $100 bill in it.

The next morning at a local diner for breakfast, McDuffie, still beaming from the night before, grabbed the breakfast check, pulled out the $100 bill and said simply "Winners buy." The ragtag crew that helped McDuffie typically paid for their own meals because they knew how tight money was for the driver.

At the Watkins Glen drivers meeting on the fateful Sunday morning, McDuffie's win at Shangri-La the previous evening was brought up. Ernie Irvan, who would win the tragedy-marred Cup race, joked with McDuffie, "You've been holding out on us all these years, J.D."

* One of the further tragedies of the McDuffie accident was that a North Carolina scammer by the name Jeff Tobias Bennett posed as McDuffie's brother and was given the driver's uniform and other effects he was wearing that day. Bennett then sold McDuffie's uniform to a hobby shop for $150. The bubble goggles McDuffie was wearing that day and the tire that broke off his car to cause the accident have never been seen since.

* McDuffie's family received the $30,000 driver death benefit from NASCAR's insurance policy, but the family had to repeatedly fight for the $15,000 car owner benefit.

* His family remains deeply troubled by NASCAR's insinuation that McDuffie died because he was driving junk. He obviously raced used parts, but he did not use stuff that was worn out because he knew it was his life at stake.Since the tire and attached suspension parts disappeared shortly after the accident, it was impossible to ascertain exactly what broke on McDuffie's car -- not that NASCAR was much into thorough investigations prior to Dale Earnhardt's death.

* McDuffie's "Old Blue" ramp truck hauler was purchased at auction in 2013 by Ken Schrader. The truck is now owned by a Late Model team in Michigan and serves as a functional shrine to McDuffie. The truck still contains the issue of "NASCAR Illustrated" that was current at the time of the Watkins Glen race, several smoked cigar butts in the ashtray and the "Winner's Buy" diner receipt that McDuffie stuck above the driver's side sun visor after purchasing breakfast for his crew.

Again, the book is far greater than I expected a book about J.D. McDuffie to be, It is unfortunate that there aren't guys like that at the highest levels of racing anymore.

Sorry, double post.

I had previously known about the McDuffie death car being sold for profit after the accident. The book does not really go into the sordid details of the car being sold without the permission of McDuffie's family, but the book lays out how that came about. A man by the name of Marty Burke had been helping McDuffie and was in the process of buying the car from McDuffie in hopes of starting his own career in ARCA. Burke made the final of five payment installments shortly before the race at Watkins Glen. Burke did not have a bill of sale saying he owned the car, but did produce five canceled checks signed by McDuffie.

The death car was turned over to Burke mere hours after the fatal accident and was subsequently offered for sale in a ghoulish 1995 ad mentioning the car was "not cheap, serious buyers only."

Here is a famous 2001 Ed Hinton article in which he talks about McDuffie's death car being sold to a random ghoul. The car has never been seen again.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...nascar-elisa/4

Here is a 2013 article that talks about McDuffie's widow finally selling off his husband's race shop and her husband's belongings that were inside, many of which had not been touched since his death in 1991. The "Old Blue" ramp truck that was purchased in the article by a John Parsons was actually a straw buyer for former Cup driver Ken Schrader.

Even 22 years after her husband's death, Ima Jean McDuffie cried about the car her husband was killed in being sold by a a crew member who J.D. trusted.

https://erinarmbruster41.wordpress.c...-finally-sold/

"That’s what hurts hurts so bad. J.D. trusted those people, and that car don’t belong to whoever’s got it,” Jean McDuffie said as tears ran down her face.

Sorry, double post.

Lloyd Ruby Cooler
 

Hoping to get some thoughts on this cooler I have had for several years. I hate that it has the black paint on it, but you can actually see the "speed 180 something" when you are in front of it. I did not realize that it was not visible in the photo. Pick it up at an estate sale years ago in a barn out back.

1. Did this belong to the Lloyd Racing team?
2. Any kind of value?

Thanks in advance for any opinions,

Shawn

Lloyd Ruby Cooler
 

Double

I can't answer your questions but VERY NEAT item!

Looking forward to Sunday with the Indy 500 and Coca-Cola 600 always a great day of racing on TV!

My mother was such a fan of the Indy 500. When I was a kid (I'm 65) I remember the race was on Monday (Memorial Day) and was only broadcast on the radio. So we would listen to the race live on the radio, then on Saturday the race was on Wide World of Sports on TV. At least that's my memory lol!

So I'll have my TV tuned to the races, and for good measure I'll have the radio feed streaming out by the pool. It's going to be sunny and hot here in NE Florida so Sunday should be a great day!

Larry

Looking for info
 

Anyone know anything about these cards? I have 11 different drivers; not sure if there are others or not. They measure 4" x 5.5" and are heavy, thick paper but not ball card stock.

https://i.postimg.cc/jjDR20RS/158981...a94780b395.jpg

Very cool to hear about how that all used to work. I was watching an early 1970s Indianapolis 500 on YouTube and the in-race commercial said they'd be showing the Monaco GP the next weekend. Now they are on the same day. Little nuggets I love hearing about.

-kin

Extremely cool and wondering if you found anything else out about it. Lloyd Ruby is one of my two favorite drivers that I never actually got to see race.

-kin

Wish I could help with this, but I know nothing. Can't wait to see if someone else does.

-kin

Don't know how I missed this thread until now but, since its been brought back to the top, I have to post the following Richard Petty item. My father was a huge Petty fan so I became one as well growing up.

The picture is from a 1971 race won by Petty that my father took our family to back when they raced at Trenton, NJ. My father took the photo at the end of the race when Pettys car was in victory lane. Sometime during the 1980s I found an address for Petty Enterprises and sent it hoping to get it signed.

It wasn't long before it came back with Pettys unmistakable autograph along with a nice note that seeing the photo brought back good memories as he enjoyed racing at that track before it was closed.

I am glad to see the thread coming back to life. I don't have any information to add on the Andretti card that Justus posted. The card looks like some kind of handout to hype the Champ Car race at Pocono that year.

I was able to find a site online that showed nine of the cards, but does not list any other information.

http://3-2-1indycar.blogspot.com/201...ck-friday.html

To me, the most interesting driver depicted on a card is Johnny Hubbard. Hubbard was from Johnstown, Pa., and was primarily a Midget driver. He tried for several years to break into the Champ Car world, but was usually resigned to underfunded rides. Hubbard was killed in a dirt Modified crash at the Reading (Pa.) Fairgrounds less than three months after the race at Pocono. The Reading Fairgrounds was only 10 minutes from my house and I have very vague memories of the Hubbard crash. My father was on the track crew at Reading and talked several times over the years about how horrific the Hubbard crash was. Hubbard's car that he was killed in was owned by a guy named Bob Seidel from Boyertown, Pa. Seidel never returned to Reading after Hubbard was killed in his car.

Kinda weird that Hubbard was included in the cards, since he did not even run any Champ Car races in 1976.

Thanks for posting that Richard Petty photo and sharing that story, Scott. Good stuff. :) Wonder how many autographs Petty has signed over the past 60 years?

Thanks Eddie! You are wealth of racing knowledge. Of the 9 cards shown on your link, I only have Andretti, Foyt, and Bobby Unser. I also have Bettenhousen, Johncock, Kinser, McCluskey, Rutherford, Al Unser, Vukovich, and Walther.

I love a good hunt and you've given me at least 6 more. Thanks for the info!

Wow, when I found that link showing nine cards, I figured those drivers were included in the 11 you have. Wonder how many cards were issued? The Pocono race started 33 cars that year. I had never previously read anything about those cards, nor seen them before.

A couple other points about Johnny Hubbard: Sadly, he was decapitated in the crash that took his life. I read Lew Boyd's excellent book on Dick "Toby" Tobias that came out in 2017. The book makes brief reference to the Hubbard crash. After the crash, Hubbard's car was taken to the Reading infield and left there while the show continued.

Tobias then went and looked at the car to see what had failed structurally. Tobias looked inside the car, then instructed one of his crew guys to get a tarp to cover the car with, saying "No one should have to look at that."

I remember my father saying how sad it was to see Hubbard's personal vehicle sitting alone in the Reading Fairgrounds parking several days after the race.

schaefer 500 cards
 

I want to add to the thread. I have 32 different Schaefer 500 cards with a few autographed. They are very hard to find and I think businesses gave them away. I have 2 cards with woolworth of Allentown Pa. stamp on the back. It took me almost 30 years and buying them when i saw them to aquire the 32 different cards. Scott

Wow, awesome post. :) I would not have ever guessed there were so many cards. I guess that makes sense, though, since the existence of a Johnny Hubbard car shows the set included some pretty obscure drivers who made limited Champ Car starts.

Wow, that is cool! Do you have a list of them you could copy to here? I'd love to have a complete list. Thanks!

schaefer 500 cards
 

i"ll see what I can do this weekend. I think they are way undervalued because so few people know they exist.

schaefer 500 cards
 

Here are the cards i have: Andretti,G. Bettenhausen,Bigelow,Pancho Carter,Dallenbach,Foyt,Spike Gehlhausen,BobHarkey,Hubbard,Johncock,Sheldon Kinser,Lee Kunzman,Steve Krisiloff,Al lquasto,Larry McCoy,John Martin,Mike Mosley,jim McElreath,Johnny Parsons,Eldon Rasmussen,Johnny Rutherford,Lloyd Ruby,Tom Sneva,George Snider,Salt Walther,Al Unser,Bubby Unser,Bill Vukovich,Jerry Karl,Roger McCluskey,Bill Puterbaugh,Dick Simon,

Thank you! So many to find now, LOL.

Here's a Type 1 of HOFer Earl Cooper at the 1916 Vanderbilt Cup.

I won an auction on Sunday for a set of 31 cards very similar to Justus' "Allentown Week of Wheels" cards pictured a few days ago in this thread. The weird thing about the set I won is that the cards are labeled as being from 1975 and labeled as being a "Wilkes Barre Schaefer 500 salute."

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-1975-P...AAAOSw86dexBiq

The images look to be the same as the Allentown cards. From what i could see, new cards not previously known are Sammy Sessions, Mike Hiss, Bentley Warren, Jimmy Carruthers and Mel Kenyon.

The closing auction price really shocked me: $39.43 with just one other bidder besides myself above $13. I thought the cards may close at least somewhere in the neighborhood of the Marhoefer cards when those come up for auction. I wasn't expecting the price to be just over $1 a card.

The appearance of a different set of cards carrying advertising for Wilkes Barre, Pa., makes me wonder if the cards were exclusive to Woolworth's. That chain was huge in the 1970s, and Wikipedia says they did have a store in Wilkes Barre in addition to Allentown, Pa.

Way to go, Eddie! Do you think this set has more than 31 cards? The 1976 set has 32 known (thanks Scott!) cards.

I don't know. I have wondered that myself. Thirty-one cards is a lot to be together in one group if that does not even include all the drivers. I also wonder if some of the drivers were replaced for 1976?

Mel Kenyon being included seems even more amazing to me than Johnny Hubbard being included in both sets. Kenyon ran one Champ Car race in 1974, none in 1975 and one in 1976. It blows my mind that a guy who ran a total of one Champ Car race in 1974-75 has a card in the 1975 set at a minimum.

I am just blown away by how large the sets are. and how obscure some of the drivers included are, compared to the Marhoefer sets from a decade earlier and the STP NASCAR set from just a few years earlier.

Nice find Eddie. I don't know if this helps or not but the images are the same as the 1976 cards. Again I think the value is so low because no one knows they exist. I would not be surprised if the images use are from press kits of a press release for the race.

Thanks for the kind words, Scott.

I have received the 1975 "Wilkes Barre Schaefer 500" cards in the mail. In addition to the five drivers I listed earlier in the thread, Bill Simpson is another addition that is not known to be in the 1976 set.

Here is the 31-driver 1975 checklist thus far:

Bill Simpson, A.J. Foyt, Mario Andretti, Al Unser, Bobby Unser, Gordon Johncock, Gary Bettenhausen, Johnny Rutherford, Wally Dallenbach, Bill Vukovich, Joe Leonard, Tom Sneva, Jim McElreath, Jimmy Caruthers, Roger McCluskey, Mike Hiss, Jerry Karl, George Snider, Mel Kenyon, John Martin, Lloyd Ruby, Salt Walther, Sammy Sessions, Lee Kunzman, Mike Mosley, Bentley Warren, Steve Krisiloff, Duane Carter Jr., Johnny Parsons, Tom Bigelow and Johnny Hubbard.

Thanks for the list, Eddie. Bobbie Allison was in that race, it would be cool if a 32nd card turned up and it was him. Always one of my favorites.

Glad to help. If some of the cards were changed for the '76 set, I am surprised there is apparently not a Janet Guthrie card. Maybe the timeline was just too tight, however. There was a ton of buzz/controversy surrounding her in '76; she passed her rookie test at Indy that year and was in the field at the Pocono race in '76.

I know PWCC auction results should be taken with a grain of salt at times, but the PSA 5 1972 STP Petty that ended a few days ago had strong interest, closing at $356 with four bidders over $300. It wasn't that long ago that a mid-grade Petty was a $125-150 card.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-Racing...C/143632746648

I want to own just one card from this set, but it's not been on my radar, yet. Have you seen other recent sales that might be more accurate? Not following them, I'm not too surprised to see $356 (for a PWCC auction), but I may be off base.

A PSA 4 Petty that was part of a lot that also included cards of Mario Andretti, Michael Schumacher and Ayrton Senna sold for $270 a couple months ago at Love of the Game auctions. That sale probably puts the Petty card at more realistic $125-150 valuation, IMO.

http://loveofthegameauctions.com/PSA...-LOT20906.aspx

If you are just looking for a random card from the 1972 STP set, Buddy Baker and Elmo Langley are your best bet. That are, by far, the most common cards in the set and can be found in the $20-25 range if you keep your eye out on eBay. Don't pay $50+ for a Baker or Langley card that has been sitting on eBay for a while. Those two drivers do come up at cheaper prices on eBay fairly frequently. A couple Bakers even went for under $15 in recent months.

I agree with Eddie, the $356 seems strong. But I think the Love of the Game lot was very low (and overlooked/missed) for the cards included.

Maybe the STPs are starting to catch some of the major sport craze going on right now.

[QUOTE=Bored5000;1994418]A PSA 4 Petty that was part of a lot that also included cards of Mario Andretti, Michael Schumacher and Ayrton Senna sold for $270 a couple months ago at Love of the Game auctions. That sale probably puts the Petty card at more realistic $125-150 valuation, IMO.

http://loveofthegameauctions.com/PSA...-LOT20906.aspx

Hey Eddie, I just found this. The PSA 4 from the LOTG auction sold on ebay for $400 on 5/24. Wow, maybe we are behind the times on the values of these cards.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-Stp-Ri...p2047675.l2557

[QUOTE=Justus;1994633]Oh, jeez. That used to be my card. At one point, I had three Petty cards from buying different lots trying to put a set together. I received a PM from a member on here a couple years ago asking if I had an extra Petty. I am pretty sure I sold it for $125. I missed it getting resold on eBay. Some profit and three free cards to boot from the auction price at LotG.

A few more months and the Schaefer 500 cards should be going for $100 each. ;)

I was watching the four different lots of T36 auto drivers that were auctioned off last night at vintagenonsports.com, but did not put in any bids. I wish I would have picked up a set of T36s a few years ago, before the prices escalated.

The four lots at auction last night were broken down by factory and brand. I am not a condition snob, but so many of those cards last night were really in rough shape. Altogether, 132 cards were sold in the four lots. I 'd like to pick up a basic 25-card set; there was just so much rattiness and extraneous cards in those lots last night.

https://auctions.vintagenonsports.co...o-LOT4294.aspx

https://auctions.vintagenonsports.co...f-LOT4295.aspx

https://auctions.vintagenonsports.co...o-LOT4292.aspx

https://auctions.vintagenonsports.co..._-LOT4293.aspx

On the other side of the spectrum Eddie, a seller On the bay just listed a 5.5 single for 1200 !

I know Lancia is tough in the T36s, but wow. A Lancia PSA 4 just sold for $143 on eBay a few weeks ago. LOL When I saw your post, I figured it was an Oldfield card.

I completely missed out on these and hate myself for it. Even in rough shape, a couple of the lots ended at under $10 a card (I don't know what the BP is there, though), which is a steal considering how these cards have sold the last handful of year.

Then again, I say that as a guy that's not a condition freak. When it comes to cards like this, I just want the cards (at the right price).

I'm going to be beating myself up for weeks, maybe months, over missing out on these.

Yeah, this one popped up for me. I just wanna know what that guy is on.

T36
 

Whoa, that 5.5 is nice! I hope he auctions it off. I have the T36 set and am not going for a master set. I am trying to gradually upgrade. I was watching Tom's auction, and almost bid, as the factory 30's are tough, but I just didn't need all those dupes. Rob

I'm the buyer of all 4 "ratty" T36 lots last night. This series is really hot in any condition right now. I could not pass-up building my inventory as you rarely find these in quantities like this. There are happy buyers on both ends of the quality spectrum.

Jeff

Glad to see a board member pick up the T36s. I apologize if I offended with my earlier comment; that was not my intent at all. I am largely a low grade collector myself, so I should not have been so flippant. :)

No offense taken. I actually thought it was pretty funny.

Jeff

re. racing items
 

I collect original photos. Baseball is my main interest, but I have picked up about a dozen vintage prints c. 1915-1925 that I would like to sell. I realize most of these comments are about cards, but maybe someone on this thread likes photos. This stuff isn't easy to come by.
lumberjack

Congrats, Jeff....you got a steal. <sigh>

Interesting that you mentioned that Factory 30s are tough. Is this something that others have noticed and/or is this a widely held view?

I have the complete front run and have 58 of 100 backs.

I had noticed that I had less 30s, but it wasn't an alarming difference. My set breakdown (I have eight multiples that I'm not counting in these numbers):

Hassan 30 - 10
Hassan 649 - 17
Mecca 30 - 13
Mecca 649 - 18

I love seeing some new names in the thread with an interest in the set (even if it's costing me more and taking me more time LOL).

-kin

I want to give a huge recommendation to Charles Leerhsen's 2012 book "Blood and Smoke: A True Tale of Mystery, Mayhem and the Birth of the Indy 500." Even though the book was released in print in 2012, it was just made available as an audiobook earlier this month. For collectors of the T36 set, this book is a treasure trove when it comes to learning about the drivers included in that set.

https://www.amazon.com/Blood-Smoke-M...s=books&sr=1-1

I am only about 1/4 of the way through listening to the audiobook (and have not even reached the start of the first Indy 500), and I have already learned tons of interesting stories about numerous T36 drivers. For example:

* Barney Oldfield, unquestionably the biggest star of auto racing's early days, rationalized that the frightful dangers of 1910s racing sure beat the alternative:

"I would rather be dead than dead broke," Oldfield was fond of saying.

* "Smiling George" Robertson was known to motivate his pit crew to work faster by getting out of his car and hitting them with wrenches during lengthy pit stops. Robertson was also alleged to have thrown wrenches out of his car at drivers attempting to pass him. Robertson admitted to the first charge, but vehemently denied the second accusation. To make his point, Robertson picked up a bucket of bolts and explained:

"This is what I use," said Robertson. "They are cheaper and work just as good. I might need the wrench for something else."

True to his nickname, Robertson is shown sporting a huge smile on his T36 card.

* French driver Victor Hemery was known as "The Surly One" due to his less than pleasant personality.

* David Bruce-Brown was an heir to the Lorillard's tobacco fortune. For card collectors, Lorillard's is known for their 1887 set of boxing cards.

* Italian born Ralph DePalma was almost always stereotyped in newspapers with Italian tropes of the day. For example, newspapers often wrote that DePalma preferred beating Oldfield on the track even above eating five plates of spaghetti.

* Lewis Strang, who was the nephew of fellow T36 driver Walter Christie, was killed is a road accident when his car overturned in a ditch at the breakneck speed of five miles per hour as Strang was trying to avoid an oncoming farmer. Strang would frequently carry coins in his pocket so that he could toss the change in the air and make a quick getaway from adoring fans as the crowd scattered to grab the money off the ground.

* The aforementioned Walter Christie's lasting legacy was as a tank designer for the Russian and British armies during World War II. During his racing career, Christie often drove a controversial twin-engine car that allowed the machine to operate in both front- and rear-wheel drive. The unique vehicle was frequently disqualified before a race even began, however, if the promoter actually cared about enforcing the "stock" rules of entries.

Wow, did anyone else notice the raw 1972 STP Petty auction that ended tonight on eBay -- $1,225 final hammer price with four bidders over $522? :eek: :eek:

Only a few years ago, this was a $125-150 card. I sold two of my three Petty STP cards 3-4 years ago for 10 percent of what that auction ended at tonight. Wonder what a Lorenzen with car would go for right now?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-STP-Ri...QAAOSwZzNfnykX