I agree

Mic drop! Boom!

I'm almost positive this is the first LOTG thread I've ever started. The others I've commented in were mostly about various mistakes I wouldn't expect from a major AH if I remember correctly. And even in this one I don't believe I called him dishonest. Although I do believe an honest auctioneer should at least follow through on things they pledge to do on their own website. Even if it's only for the first auction or two after the statement is made.

Yeah, much better we don’t have a free exchange of ideas of opinions. That will
make it a far better website. Lets just have one party line like the old Soviet Union or 1960s Cuba.

While I understand the point that Al's own policy is to pull any altered card from the auction and he didn't, I still don't understand the controversy here. What he did do was make sure everyone involved had a choice to either get out or stay in the game and all but one chose to stay in the game. Nobody was hurt here. Why even start this thread? To point out that LOTG didn't pull the card in question? So what. They disclosed it to everyone and didn't try to hide it in any way. What's the point in trying to hurt his reputation? I just don't get it. The reason so many people are coming to Al's defense is because he is honorable and has earned that reputation over the years. Honesty, this situation is not some big issue that needs to be debated.

Or CU.:eek::cool:

Poppage!!
Nice rip!!

Wow. That’s EXACTLY what I meant. Oh wait...

Disclaimer...I almost never...ever agree with things the OP posts/says on here...but in this case...I see the point he is making.

Many on here are concerned that nothing is going to change within this hobby in light of all the corruption that has been unveiled.

So when a major player in the hobby makes a statement that he is going to change his auction protocol to do his best to circumvent any issues in future auctions...I...like most would expect that he will actually do this and is not just giving lip service as so often seems to happen in similar situations in this hobby.

As Al said back in june:

Any graded card valued over $500 will be reviewed carefully by LOTG under magnification, along with halogen and long-wave ultraviolet lighting. Should we discover any issues with which we are uncomfortable, the card will be resubmitted to the grading company for review or returned to the consignor at their request.

So while I think in light of what happened, Al handled it as best as could have been given the timeframe...if the above were done in advance of the auction...I do believe there'd be question as to the grade the card was given leading to a delay in auctioning this e95 cobb.

Additionally...if everyone in this hobby who has been found guilty of an indiscretion or two...or 20 in their collecting lives were removed from this forum...this forum would be a ghost town.

+1. Post of the Year candidate!

The OP was off on the sign comparison, but it is true that he had a legitimate point about the card.

Water will remove the loose filth and some of the worst scaly rust as well as some rust stains on the paint. But it doesn't remove the actual corrosion.
Vinegar will remove some of the actually corroded bits. That plus wax or oil will help prevent the rust from getting worse.

To respond to the title of this thread I really like Brockelman Auctions.

brianp(arker)-beme

A²G²

Not important, not a MoFo. Also a hobby nobody from way back but not an ankle-biter.

Quit lawyering me if you would be so kind. The lyrics you wrote were a decent attempt at humor but it did nothing to alleviate a noxious thread. This thread is no joke. It undermines Al's livelihood. Nitpicky allegations against his ethics (not saying you have made any such comments) don't make him a better auctioneer, they just give him a headache.

OP - I apologize for the name-calling but you really need to cut Al some slack.

Anyway, I am done in this thread. Got some old-age real life shit going on and am not up to dueling with folks. Just standing up for a friend. Kawika over and out.

I don't think anyone has a problem with the free exchange of opinions. Why does it have to descend into personal attacks and name calling? We are all adults here, why can't we all act like adults?

Make it 9 1/2 yrs and we call it even? See ya....

Yeah Jim is the problem...

What am I supposed to do ban someone for saying something which is relevant to the hobby? Al did absolutely nothing wrong in most people's minds, mine included. As someone above said, it's really a silly debate and at the end of it, it solidifies how good of a job LOTG does by the overwhelmingly positive responses seen.

No one is going to get banned for speaking their mind and following the very few rules we have. Same rules as they have always been. I have learned at least one thing in running the forum, you can't please everyone. :cool:

And lastly, if you go into a store and don't like it. You leave and come back 10 yrs later, and tell the manager how to run it, what do you think he would say?

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and the new knee slapper:D:D:D:D Hot Packs.

I agree. Poker Player has every right. He loves Brent Mastro, I would expect nothing less out of the guy.

I wonder how long I would last on CU.

Jesse:
This stuff can not be stopped. Your wasting your time on all this research just forgot it no one cares about your outings and furthermore you are making no money with it. No one cares. Al emailed all bidder on E95 cobb and 1 guy cancels. Conservation is not coming it is here. You tracking old sales etc just makes you look like a baby. Bid or move on stop being a detective until you can get yourself paid with it. Also: what is your real name? I have never seen a name with @%& characters in it! You comment on Al's auction house and do not post your real name? 3000+ posts ....
Just my 10 cents worth
Everyone complaining about the situation but no leaders emerging to help the cause. Even the key board members just complain and make jokes there
is no change coming.

The Spaeth Guy is right Stuff Trumps All even reconditioned stuff

The "Post of the Year" candidates are piling up!

I have no gripe with Jesse, Al, Bob or Leon.

All are human and all make mistakes, even Al.

What gets my goat, if you haven’t figured it out, is the angst of the board members created when anyone dares to point out an issue with LOTG.

Until I see authenticated (:rolleyes:) video evidence I refuse to believe that Al can either walk on water or that he is one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse. (Hi Al)

Everyone in the hobby can improve and no one should be given a free pass.

Open discussion is beneficial. Being a lone dissenting matador in a bull ring with 87 hungry bulls is not.

I wish everyone well, including myself.;)

I don't agree with the OP on everything, but I don't think he's said anything even close to being bannable. A chat board will have, and should have, a variety of opinions and takes, some unpopular. His comments are about the cleaning of collectibles, which, while many don't agree with his conclusions, are far from out of topic. And, while I disagree with one half of his argument, the other half was a fair point to bring to discussion and one can't logically argue otherwise. (And me disagreeing with an argument is far from reason for me to think someone should be banned or the post not posted). And, in fact, his original post led to a fruitful discussion on the topic of cleaning collectibles.

Though, yes, I can think of things that would be bannable, or 'timeoutable,' probably including someone who constantly starts posts completely off topic threads, repeatedly factually lies about a seller or is a constant temperamental a-hole in the extreme (timeout may suffice there).

I thought one recent poster's arguments on a recent hot topic were terrible and his repeated voicing of them annoying (and some wondered if he had ulterior motives), but it didn't even cross my mind that he should be banned or that he broke any written or unwritten chatboard rules. And I and others rebutted the arguments. It was all part of debate on a chatboard, and it's good for the mind to read opposing arguments. Echo chambers are no good, even (or perhaps especially) when you agree with what is said.

This thread is quickly gathering steam for the "going off the rails on the crazy train" thread of the year

Great information, thank you. And wow, that Reach sign is one gorgeous piece of signage!

Holy moly, Frank!

I 100% agree with you - thank you!

where's the "lynch mob"?
 

As usual I agree with David. Nothing bannable here by a long shot.

The loyalty to LOTG on the part of many members here is easy to understand. We think of it as an oasis we can trust, especially in the current sh$tshow. It doesn't mean we think Al is incapable of making a call (in a difficult situation that probably had no ideal solution) that can be second-guessed. But it means we have a pretty high bar of proof, and we don't like the feeling that those criticizing Al might be acting out of some obscure personal grudge.

Then when we express that opinion, we get called a "lynch mob" and told that we think Al walks on water - that imagery is ridiculous. We are just expressing our views, exactly the same as those who are questioning his decisions. As long as it doesn't get personal (which unfortunately it has in a couple of cases in this thread, on both sides), that is what open discussion involves.

IOW, if you post an iconoclastic opinion here, that's your prerogative and your right - but how can you then complain about being disagreed with? Take it like an adult.

Tim

Have you been in contact with anyone concerning these items in question, who has been banned from our forum, prior to posting the thread?

Regarding the portion of the quote in bold...

I think that a lot of people want to do something positive, but aren't sure how to actually fight corruption. I believe many are wanting Law Enforcement to do it's job, make a bold statement, and bring justice to those who've been defrauding us for years.

But to answer your concern more directly, the absolute best way we can stand up to help the cause is to...

A. Stop doing business with known shady dealers (PWCC, HawkDynasty, cccardfactory, LORDSTANLEY2012, etc.) Stop feeding them money and consignments!

B. Stop submitting cards to PSA. The only way they'll ever change is when the money flow lessens. They are failing at their job, and have no plan to fix it. They blame the problem on us (and those who have uncovered this massive fraud). They take zero responsibility, and act like we are at fault by pointing out thousands of indisputable alterations which have garnered numerical grades. They delete posts from their board, which speak the truth, but don't fit with their myopic fan base.

So if we really want to instill change, we must do so with our wallets. That's the one small thing that I am doing. If everyone who cares about the hobby did it, it might not be so small. Stop feeding the corruption... it's the only way to show we have a voice.

Let's focus our efforts towards the real evil, and not legitimize a misguided vendetta against an ethical AH who personally reaches out to every prospective bidder when a last-minute issue arises. PSA's simple response would've been to block the "complainers". I just wish every AH/Dealer/Ebay Seller was half as communicative, honest and forthright as Al.

I assume you must have a reason for asking this, but I don't feel it's appropriate to publicly comment on private conversations without that person's approval.

I made the decision to create this thread alone. If I violated any rule or policy on this site I will accept any consequence alone.

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In case anybody is interested, over on the postwar boards there are still a few people who talk about baseball cards.

The prewar section of this board is like a new Stephen King novel for me - I have to put it down for a few days, but I know when I do come back the new chapter, er - thread, is going to be waiting for me, and I’ll have to read the whole thing in one sitting. As disdainful as I find many posts here, on the whole it does make for fascinating reading. [emoji4]


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I'd at least listen to them seriously. *

While the happy customers are great, I liked talking to the unhappy ones as long as I had some ability to handle or fix the situation.

The happy people will rarely tell you what you're doing wrong.

*I personally don't find anything major that I don't like about the board or how it's run. Maybe a few trivial things, but I say if you find two people who claim to never disagree about anything at least one of them is lying.

You guys sound like a bunch of old ladies criticizing the way kids dress today. Don’t you have any thing better to do with your time beside bitch about grades, pencil marks and dirty signs. The OCD on this forum is strong. Last time I read such stupidity here was the 1000 post bitch session when SGC changed its flip header color. The movie Idocracy moves closer to reality here.

We love you, too, Joe. But let me ask you this: why in the world would I give a shit what you think about anything?

As I was saying. Man, did he ever get shelled again. Another jump of .35 in his ERA. This is unbelievable. In Sparky Lyle's words (and it's irrelevant that he happens to be Asian, not part of the joke), he may go from Cy Young to sayonara at this rate.

No reason to care what I think. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

Jesse has a point.

Just my 2¢. If Al notified the bidders about the suspected altering as well as inform other prospective bidders, he did his job. Both PSA and SGC label cards as altered. Should Al not sell a card labeled as Altered? The point being if the alteration or suspected alteration is fully disclosed, then it's up to the bidders to decide if they still wish to participate.

I think Buehler is ahead of Ryu in the Cy Young race if he has another great start

its too bad he didnt get the Win, in 2 of his recent starts when he allowed zero runs in 6 or 7 innings..

Ryu is 3rd in the Cy Young race just on pitchers on his own team, not the whole NL at this point.

A week ago Ryu had a 1.60 ERA.

a lot can happen in 2 starts especially if its the 2 worst of the year...

Ryu is the only Cy candidate thats not even close to a K for inning pitched...

I guess I haven't been following this season very closely, but when I see the name Ryu my first thought is about the video game Street Fighter I remember playing as a kid.