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so how much is PSA supposed to pay back on this one? No lawsuits filed so everyone must be being paid back to their satisfaction |
Peter, what I'm asking is, is there a comprehensive list of Whittman/PWCC cards. I have already found two I purchased on the list and wanted to check all the PWCC cards I have. Thanks.
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Here is the list to date. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...48&postcount=1 |
Thanks Peter!
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So does anyone have any idea of where the cards that are rejected by the TPGs are winding up?
Are they just being resubmitted over and over until they finally get a numeric grade? Are they being sold/auctioned raw through some other dealer? Maybe someone is using them as coasters for their drinks? They are somewhere though; they have not disappeared. |
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Seems like, for vintage, he's submitting to PSA first, having a high success rate, and then may try back at PSA again before submitting to SGC. If the first touch-up didn't work, maybe a second will? Some of the cards were purchased two years prior to coming back up for sale. This may be due to the ones that were initially deemed altered being retried multiple times.
Some of the sets really only have value in PSA slabs because of the registry. |
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Not many will sue over $10, especially if they say "oh I have a problem" and they get their $10 back right away. Now the other bike shop in town where the owners relative confronted by a soon to be bride with some pretty gnarly facial scrapes from the handlebars coming loose who replied to this news with "well what do you expect me to do about it? " … |
As Jimi Hendrix sang, if 6 was 9, I don't mind. 53 Parkhurst.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3201 |
No lawsuits in the last two hours. Onto the next hobby disaster, this one’s cleaned up.
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LOL how dare they give it the same grade after such a nice trim job. Read the description.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3232 |
Possibly a world record for most trimmed off a card.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3233 And not far behind. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3236 |
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And the PSA Kool Aid Drinkers Continue To Buy.
How ugly is this year’s National Gonna Be At two booths ? |
Are we to believe the PSA graders stink this bad at their job ? This stink so bad of other stuff going on.....Ov Vey
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T206 Cobb Red SGC 3 to 6.5
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Have we made a list of all the different types of alterations found so far by Moser?
1) Trimming 2) Bleaching 3) Rebuilding corners 4) Filling pinholes 5) Repairing tears 6) Pressing out creases 7) Recoloring to cover up paper loss or minimize appearance of fisheyes/snow 8) Removing caramel/wax/gum stains 9) Shill bidding and winning his own auctions 10) Faking rough cuts Things Moser has confessed to: just bumping cards on the basis of their own merits. If only he would use his powers for good... |
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To paraphrase the Dylan song
Something is happening here but you don't know what it is
Do ya, Mr. Sloan? |
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Are there any regular sized Leaf cards left?
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its a problem even if no lawsuits but i would worry about problems where there are actual lawsuits and criminal charges more than on problems where there aren't |
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Do you think criminal charges are brought before or after law enforcement completes its investigation? |
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I'm defending a case right now that was filed almost 2 years after a merger, claiming shareholders of the acquired company got shortchanged. I guess if Jake had been advising the client he would have told them to rest easy a few days after the closing. No lawsuit, no problem.
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I agree if money is refunded and all the buyers are happy there wont be lawsuits thus far there are no lawsuits. law enforcement completing its investigation? Civil suits occur much faster than that. As stated, there may be no criminal cases but there always are civil cases if its a real problem. If theres a criminal case there WILL be civil cases of course. Also there are people that dont care what is offered and they want a lawsuit filed to make everything public instead of signing a release and be silent. I think theres a large enough sample size of buyers that were wronged that the all wont be satisfied with a refund and going quietly etc if its truly a big deal in the hobby |
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Someone may yet sue. They would have to first submit the card to PSA under the guarantee, and PSA would have to decline to honor the guarantee, before any claim would be ripe. That is going to take time. The guarantee does not require PSA to review a card within X days does it?
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IF PSA acted so badly, it wouldnt be a lawsuit about how long it is taking to review the card, it would be about them giving a certain grade (and im sure lawyers will come up with other defendants and other issues if there would be any actual lawsuits fi this was a real problem). If all of this is pointless and there is no cause of action, again no lawsuits, and whats the point ... sounds like they have no cause of action.. |
OK, can someone please file a lawsuit to please Jake?
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E121 Ruth SGC
E121 Ruth 17K gain. SGC. Also graded at National. Good show.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3405 And featured by SGC on Facebook. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3407 |
Let me guess how this goes.
Lets say me... Lawyer X, I've been defrauded out of $2000. I want to sue! Lawyer X. Did you try to get your money back Me no, I'm too mad and want to sue! Maybe make the next line by lawyer X multiple choice a)Security! b)The small claims forms are online/At the courthouse c) show yourself out, I'd do it, but that would only make your bill larger. d) Of course! My retainer is $XXXXX e) Of course! I haven't lost one in a while and it's good to stay humble. |
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WTF. They spotted the nearly invisible erasure on a T206 I'd owned since the early 80's but didn't spot that one? Why do I always get the graders that can see? Or do I need to tape a 50 to the card saver? |
that e121 ruth was once mine!!! i sold it through REA a few years ago. It was pen on the back.
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But the one on that Ruth is really bad. It may look ok ish, but the contrast enhanced view it stands out much more than the light stains. |
I had a buddy submit a gorgeous T3 to SGC they caught erased pencil that I missed and had to use a loop to be sure I was really seeing it.
Things that make you go hmmmmmm. |
Taking stains off of backs and fronts have been going on for 30 years + and removing lead
Never has it been right but it’s been done for a long time....it’s just now being exposed |
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SGC W573 Ruth
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Tell that do the buyer of that 60k card that sold for 5k months earlier in an much lower graded holder and there are before and after pictures of an alteration... Just an example, just saying there are more examples of people that bought altered cards than guys that bought cards for less than 1000, plus people may of bought more than one 'issue' card which adds up |
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Theres a been a whole lot of talk with zero lawsuits.. |
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It ain't me, Babe
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Boom!! Boom!!
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Was there any discernible drop off in the prices of the cards at the last PWCC auction for the "prime cards".etc . I know it's not much of a sample size yet. I just wondered and it seems like there are people paying attention on the message boards.
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PWCC website change
According to this BO post, the page listing team members was taken down.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3692 |
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