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rickalaska 01-23-2022 01:34 PM
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h2oya311 01-23-2022 09:41 PM
Jeez, Rick. How many of these postcards did you buy from me? Either directly or through my consignments through LOTG? Glad to see them shared here again...

I had one other team PC of the Washington POM team w/ McKechnie. That one was trimmed almost exactly the same and was also produce by Record Publishing Co. Not mine any longer, but figured I'd share since you showed the other "composite" version of the PC I once owned:

https://photos.imageevent.com/derekg...l%20_sold_.jpg

I also used to own this one...same image, different trimming:

https://photos.imageevent.com/derekg..._%20_sold_.jpg

I still think your vertically oriented composite photo is the best of the available "earliest" McKechnie postcards is the best.

tlwise12 01-24-2022 01:39 PM
Dihigo
 
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Happy to have added this one recently.

rickalaska 01-25-2022 01:02 PM
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tlwise12 01-28-2022 12:09 PM
Unfortunately not
 
Rick,

Unfortunately, it's not that early. I wish. 1940ish Veracruz team





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Travis,

I just noticed that is a Martin Dihigo postcard - nice pickup!!!

Is that team 1923-24 Almendares?

Rick

Dead-Ball-Hitter 02-07-2022 11:45 AM
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Here's one from the 19' aughts, some time before 1908 (postmarked 11/3/1907). One of the reasons I like postcards that have actually been mailed is for the stamp and dated postmark on back.

edjs 03-05-2022 10:08 AM
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Locke, Ca. team. 1908

garymc 03-05-2022 10:58 AM
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New York Highlanders........

Yoda 03-05-2022 11:16 AM
Perhaps "Hippo" Vaughn can tell us what, if anything, Scotsman wear under their kilts.

Giode 03-05-2022 11:23 AM
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A few of mine I'm picked up over the years...

Brian Van Horn 03-22-2022 11:30 AM
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Yes, I am this far off the beaten path:

rickalaska 07-08-2022 07:35 PM
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mrreality68 07-09-2022 06:58 AM
Great THread and some really fantastic Postcard.

Amazing how many are collected and amazing how many are now so collectible and prices surging on them

mrreality68 07-09-2022 07:01 AM
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Here is my contribution to this thread

Timeless Cardboard 07-09-2022 05:06 PM
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Do you know what year that pacific coast league Los Angeles postcard is? And what does the back look like? Thanks for sharing

BeanTown 07-10-2022 09:11 AM
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Here is my contribution to this thread
Awesome show stopper card Jeffrey!!!!!

Will Allison 07-10-2022 04:05 PM
J.D. McCarthy baseball postcards
 
For anyone who's interested, I just uploaded a gallery of my J.D. McCarthy postcards, along with an intro detailing my attempts to date the cards using the various reverse styles found on McCarthy postcards over the years.

I'm copying the intro below, and here's the link to the gallery. (Scroll down past the text to see the actual cards):

https://imageevent.com/willallison/mccarthy

I'm always looking to buy or trade for McCarthy postcards. Thanks for any input! Will Allison


AN INTRODUCTION TO J. D. MCCARTHY BASEBALL POSTCARDS

J. D. McCarthy was a prolific photographer based in the northern suburbs of Detroit, first in Royal Oak and then in Oak Park. In addition to photographing baseball players for Topps, McCarthy produced photos and postcards of athletes in multiple sports including baseball, basketball, football, hockey, and horse racing.

McCarthy is best known for his baseball postcards, which he produced from roughly 1950 to 1980, and which were commissioned by the ballplayers themselves to be used in filling autograph and fan-mail requests. (Yes, once upon a time, players cared enough about their fans to personally foot the bill for these postcards, which they then gave away for free, often autographed.) McCarthy also sold his postcards directly to collectors. The unnumbered, undated cards sometimes included facsimile autographs or ad copy promoting a player’s business interests, such as Nellie Fox Bowl, Don Drysdale’s Dugout restaurant, and Gaylord Perry’s Balestra Pontiac dealership.

In addition to photgraphing most stars of the day, McCarthy photographed many players who never made the big leagues. According to Bob Lemke, former editor of Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards, “...McCarthy had hundreds of photos of players in major league uniforms that never actually played in the bigs. Many of his photos were shot at spring training when prospects were up with the big club before being returned to the minors or hanging up their spikes.” As a result, his postcards comprise many obscure players.

McCarthy reportedly liked to approach his prospective customers (i.e., players) during their very first appearance in spring training, so his postcards also comprise a number of rookie cards, including Sparky Anderson, Luis Aparicio, Jim Bunning, Orlando Cepeda, Roberto Clemente, Don Drysdale, Rollie Fingers, Catfish Hunter, Reggie Jackson, Jim Kaat, Al Kaline, Roger Maris, Minnie Minoso, Thurman Munson, Ron Santo, Willie Stargell, Alan Trammell, Lou Whitaker, Billy Williams, and many others.

McCarthy also had many repeat customers, producing multiple poses of some players throughout their careers. For instance, he issued no fewer than eight poses of Don Drysdale, seven poses of Mickey Mantle (including group shots with Stan Musial and Roger Maris), six poses of Ron Santo, five poses of Willie Mays, four poses of Billy Williams, three poses of Ted Williams, and so on. Many poses can be found with multiple reverse styles, indicating separate orders placed over the years.

DATING MCCARTHY POSTCARDS

Dating McCarthy postcards can be tricky, unless there’s a legible postmark, but even a postmark doesn’t necessarily establish the year of issue, as some players answered fan mail with postcards they ordered years earlier. In most cases, though, a date (or date range) can usually be determined by cross-referencing variables such as the postmark (if there is one), the player’s tenure with a given team, and the uniform style. (“Dressed to the Nines,” a baseball uniform database, is available on the Baseball Hall of Fame’s website. See link below.)

After collecting McCarthy postcards for a few years, I began to wonder if the cards could also be dated by using the reverse style. After studying hundreds of McCarthy postcards, I assembled a taxonomy of thirteen different reverse styles (see gallery) used by McCarthy over the years. By comparing scores of postmarked examples, I was able to determine a date range for each style. This taxonomy is an ongoing project, subject to revision based on newly discovered postmarked examples.

Postcards featuring the Type 12 reverse are the most difficult to date for a couple of reasons. First, McCarthy used this style longer than any other, from approximately 1966 to 1980, about fifteen years.* (No other reverse style was used for more than six years.) Second, by the early 1970s, more players were mailing their postcards inside envelopes, so the cards themselves bear no postmarks. The latest Type 12 postmarked examples I’ve seen are from 1972 (not counting a Willie Stargell card postmarked in Cooperstown on his HOF induction day in 1988).

MY COLLECTION

I began collecting McCarthy baseball postcards around 2010, focusing mainly on Hall of Famers, stars, and semistars. According to Bob Lemke, McCarthy created images of more than a thousand baseball players. In the 1980s, a collector named Rich Suen attempted to create a checklist, though I’ve never seen the checklist or sought it out, as one thing I enjoy about collecting McCarthy PCs is discovering cards that I didn’t know existed.

I also enjoy the challenge. Though there are usually hundreds of McCarthy postcards for sale on eBay at any given time, the majority of them are quite rare, especially compared to their readily available Topps and Bowman counterparts. There are some poses that I’ve seen only once or twice since 2010. Furthermore, the number of McCarthy cards on eBay speaks more to the number of different cards he produced than to the scarcity of individual cards.

I also appreciate the affordability of McCarthy postcards. Some cards sell for hundreds (in 2021, a 1955 Roberto Clemente fetched $460 on eBay), but sales rarely exceed $100, and most can be had for $10 to $50.

So why are McCarthy postcards not more popular and expensive? I think there are two primary reasons. First, collectors tend to prefer cards that have been checklisted, and the only extant McCarthy checklist is not readily available.

Second, collectors increasingly prefer cards that can be submitted to a third-party grader, but as of this writing, PSA will not grade McCarthy postcards—perhaps because it has long been rumored that after the photographer’s death in the 1980s, his negatives were used to produce reprints.

A WORD ON REPRINTS

Even if the reprint rumor is true, a survey of cards available on the marketplace strongly suggests that the vast majority of McCarthy postcards were never reprinted. The cards are almost never offered in bulk (a recent lot of one hundred Bucky Dent cards being a rare exception), and many of the most desirable players and poses—the ones that would actually be worth reprinting—are too scarce to have been reprinted.

In the end, it just wouldn’t have made sense to go to the trouble of reprinting cards that traditionally did not fetch much of a premium.

In more than ten years of collecting McCarthy postcards, I have encountered reprints exactly once. They were printed on flimsy, non-glossy stock with a different type of ink than McCarthy used. In short, they were easy to spot as fakes—so easy that the seller, not a McCarthy collector, billed them as probable reprints when he offered them on eBay. I bought the seller’s whole inventory of fakes in order to take them off the market.**

*Type 12 was the first and only reverse type to include a zip code. Initially, I assumed Type 12 cards dated from 1963, when zip codes were first introduced in the U.S. However, the earliest postmarked example I’ve seen is from 1966. It’s possible that McCarthy and his printer were exhausting their supply of Type 8, 9, and 10 reverses before switching to Type 12.

**The small hoard comprised between five and ninety copies each of one basketball player (Rick Barry) and ten baseball players: Luis Aparicio (two poses), Whitey Ford, Ralph Kiner, Harvey Kuenn, Fred Lasher, Willie McCovey, Minnie Minoso, Duke Snider, Hoyt Wilhelm, and Early Wynn. All of the reprints featured the Type 10 reverse, which was used by McCarthy from 1963-1965, but as far as I know, he never produced any of these particular poses with a Type 10 reverse except for Duke Snider, whose reprint features a transposed reverse. For purposes of comparison, I have included the reprints (except for Rick Barry and Fred Lasher) in my gallery.

BeanTown 07-11-2022 12:00 PM
What a great website Will and a super resource for McCarthy postacrds. Thanks for sharing. a good trivia question would be how many HOFers have been issued by McCarthy




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Originally Posted by Will Allison (Post 2241238)
For anyone who's interested, I just uploaded a gallery of my J.D. McCarthy postcards, along with an intro detailing my attempts to date the cards using the various reverse styles found on McCarthy postcards over the years.

I'm copying the intro below, and here's the link to the gallery. (Scroll down past the text to see the actual cards):

https://imageevent.com/willallison/mccarthy

I'm always looking to buy or trade for McCarthy postcards. Thanks for any input! Will Allison


AN INTRODUCTION TO J. D. MCCARTHY BASEBALL POSTCARDS

J. D. McCarthy was a prolific photographer based in the northern suburbs of Detroit, first in Royal Oak and then in Oak Park. In addition to photographing baseball players for Topps, McCarthy produced photos and postcards of athletes in multiple sports including baseball, basketball, football, hockey, and horse racing.

McCarthy is best known for his baseball postcards, which he produced from roughly 1950 to 1980, and which were commissioned by the ballplayers themselves to be used in filling autograph and fan-mail requests. (Yes, once upon a time, players cared enough about their fans to personally foot the bill for these postcards, which they then gave away for free, often autographed.) McCarthy also sold his postcards directly to collectors. The unnumbered, undated cards sometimes included facsimile autographs or ad copy promoting a player’s business interests, such as Nellie Fox Bowl, Don Drysdale’s Dugout restaurant, and Gaylord Perry’s Balestra Pontiac dealership.

In addition to photgraphing most stars of the day, McCarthy photographed many players who never made the big leagues. According to Bob Lemke, former editor of Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards, “...McCarthy had hundreds of photos of players in major league uniforms that never actually played in the bigs. Many of his photos were shot at spring training when prospects were up with the big club before being returned to the minors or hanging up their spikes.” As a result, his postcards comprise many obscure players.

McCarthy reportedly liked to approach his prospective customers (i.e., players) during their very first appearance in spring training, so his postcards also comprise a number of rookie cards, including Sparky Anderson, Luis Aparicio, Jim Bunning, Orlando Cepeda, Roberto Clemente, Don Drysdale, Rollie Fingers, Catfish Hunter, Reggie Jackson, Jim Kaat, Al Kaline, Roger Maris, Minnie Minoso, Thurman Munson, Ron Santo, Willie Stargell, Alan Trammell, Lou Whitaker, Billy Williams, and many others.

McCarthy also had many repeat customers, producing multiple poses of some players throughout their careers. For instance, he issued no fewer than eight poses of Don Drysdale, seven poses of Mickey Mantle (including group shots with Stan Musial and Roger Maris), six poses of Ron Santo, five poses of Willie Mays, four poses of Billy Williams, three poses of Ted Williams, and so on. Many poses can be found with multiple reverse styles, indicating separate orders placed over the years.

DATING MCCARTHY POSTCARDS

Dating McCarthy postcards can be tricky, unless there’s a legible postmark, but even a postmark doesn’t necessarily establish the year of issue, as some players answered fan mail with postcards they ordered years earlier. In most cases, though, a date (or date range) can usually be determined by cross-referencing variables such as the postmark (if there is one), the player’s tenure with a given team, and the uniform style. (“Dressed to the Nines,” a baseball uniform database, is available on the Baseball Hall of Fame’s website. See link below.)

After collecting McCarthy postcards for a few years, I began to wonder if the cards could also be dated by using the reverse style. After studying hundreds of McCarthy postcards, I assembled a taxonomy of thirteen different reverse styles (see gallery) used by McCarthy over the years. By comparing scores of postmarked examples, I was able to determine a date range for each style. This taxonomy is an ongoing project, subject to revision based on newly discovered postmarked examples.

Postcards featuring the Type 12 reverse are the most difficult to date for a couple of reasons. First, McCarthy used this style longer than any other, from approximately 1966 to 1980, about fifteen years.* (No other reverse style was used for more than six years.) Second, by the early 1970s, more players were mailing their postcards inside envelopes, so the cards themselves bear no postmarks. The latest Type 12 postmarked examples I’ve seen are from 1972 (not counting a Willie Stargell card postmarked in Cooperstown on his HOF induction day in 1988).

MY COLLECTION

I began collecting McCarthy baseball postcards around 2010, focusing mainly on Hall of Famers, stars, and semistars. According to Bob Lemke, McCarthy created images of more than a thousand baseball players. In the 1980s, a collector named Rich Suen attempted to create a checklist, though I’ve never seen the checklist or sought it out, as one thing I enjoy about collecting McCarthy PCs is discovering cards that I didn’t know existed.

I also enjoy the challenge. Though there are usually hundreds of McCarthy postcards for sale on eBay at any given time, the majority of them are quite rare, especially compared to their readily available Topps and Bowman counterparts. There are some poses that I’ve seen only once or twice since 2010. Furthermore, the number of McCarthy cards on eBay speaks more to the number of different cards he produced than to the scarcity of individual cards.

I also appreciate the affordability of McCarthy postcards. Some cards sell for hundreds (in 2021, a 1955 Roberto Clemente fetched $460 on eBay), but sales rarely exceed $100, and most can be had for $10 to $50.

So why are McCarthy postcards not more popular and expensive? I think there are two primary reasons. First, collectors tend to prefer cards that have been checklisted, and the only extant McCarthy checklist is not readily available.

Second, collectors increasingly prefer cards that can be submitted to a third-party grader, but as of this writing, PSA will not grade McCarthy postcards—perhaps because it has long been rumored that after the photographer’s death in the 1980s, his negatives were used to produce reprints.

A WORD ON REPRINTS

Even if the reprint rumor is true, a survey of cards available on the marketplace strongly suggests that the vast majority of McCarthy postcards were never reprinted. The cards are almost never offered in bulk (a recent lot of one hundred Bucky Dent cards being a rare exception), and many of the most desirable players and poses—the ones that would actually be worth reprinting—are too scarce to have been reprinted.

In the end, it just wouldn’t have made sense to go to the trouble of reprinting cards that traditionally did not fetch much of a premium.

In more than ten years of collecting McCarthy postcards, I have encountered reprints exactly once. They were printed on flimsy, non-glossy stock with a different type of ink than McCarthy used. In short, they were easy to spot as fakes—so easy that the seller, not a McCarthy collector, billed them as probable reprints when he offered them on eBay. I bought the seller’s whole inventory of fakes in order to take them off the market.**

*Type 12 was the first and only reverse type to include a zip code. Initially, I assumed Type 12 cards dated from 1963, when zip codes were first introduced in the U.S. However, the earliest postmarked example I’ve seen is from 1966. It’s possible that McCarthy and his printer were exhausting their supply of Type 8, 9, and 10 reverses before switching to Type 12.

**The small hoard comprised between five and ninety copies each of one basketball player (Rick Barry) and ten baseball players: Luis Aparicio (two poses), Whitey Ford, Ralph Kiner, Harvey Kuenn, Fred Lasher, Willie McCovey, Minnie Minoso, Duke Snider, Hoyt Wilhelm, and Early Wynn. All of the reprints featured the Type 10 reverse, which was used by McCarthy from 1963-1965, but as far as I know, he never produced any of these particular poses with a Type 10 reverse except for Duke Snider, whose reprint features a transposed reverse. For purposes of comparison, I have included the reprints (except for Rick Barry and Fred Lasher) in my gallery.

Will Allison 07-11-2022 02:10 PM
Thanks for taking a look, Jay!

jimq16415 07-12-2022 08:48 AM
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New member here with a few postcards I didn't see posted yet. Lots of great old postcards I've never seen!

Jeffrompa 07-12-2022 10:05 PM
Wow ! Just wow .

BeanTown 07-13-2022 10:43 AM
Welcome to the board and love your Cobb Exhibits!

mrreality68 07-13-2022 10:52 AM
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Welcome to the board and love your Cobb Exhibits!
+1 Agree
Welcome aboard and those are great looking cards

JackR 07-16-2022 01:19 PM
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He’s not old. Not poppin a plug of tobacco. Not worth $3M. Just a down and dirty ball player.

Lucas00 07-16-2022 01:39 PM
Sacramento Senators CA I believe Early 1910s (Not certain).
Love that genuine Desert backdrop.

"Hello old sport, and how would you like a big fat trout?'
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sfmays24 07-19-2022 11:29 AM
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My only PC and just for laughs.

Jeffrompa 09-27-2022 06:26 PM
Not sure what to think .
 
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Will it fit in my CD player ?

Cooperstown Hall of Fame 78 Phonograph Flexi-Disk Postcard .

You can hear it online , easy to look up .

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Casey2296 09-27-2022 06:58 PM
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My only PC and just for laughs.
I knew Zanadakis was a car collector but didn't realize he worked on airplanes too...

Jeff_cvc 09-29-2022 02:43 AM
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Happy to keep this thread going. So fun to go through and see so many incredible images. Also love the many side stories along the way.

Here's my humble group. (Sorry for any repeats!)

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Lucas00 09-29-2022 07:17 PM
Monte DuPont

Brooks with a young fan.
Love the post-a-photo back, Haven't seen many like it. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...073e1a705f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8710127d32.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...dbf1eaa03b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...b5f8f635ac.jpg

Jstottlemire1 09-29-2022 07:38 PM
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Ruth

Rhotchkiss 09-29-2022 07:42 PM
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Very nice Ruth. Here is another, recently acquired

Jstottlemire1 09-29-2022 07:46 PM
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Very nice Ruth. Here is another, recently acquired
Great add Ryan. I had eyes on that as well. I love it.

hharm3 10-01-2022 09:41 PM
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Couple of my most baseball related Billy Sunday postcards.

jimq16415 10-14-2022 01:25 PM
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Mailed from mount oliver (inside pittsburgh) the day after the 1909 World Series. While a mailman for 20 years I never saw anything like it. Not worth anything, just different!

Leon 10-17-2022 06:07 PM
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some new pickups ...have had the rabbit for a while, I think...

Lucas00 10-17-2022 07:02 PM
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some new pickups ...have had the rabbit for a while, I think...
Saw the costume one for sale and contemplated getting it very much. Great addition!

BobbyStrawberry 10-29-2022 01:02 PM
Recent pickups
 
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sb1 10-29-2022 04:21 PM
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Guess I am a hoarder, had three now back to two, this is the newest one.

Vintagedeputy 01-21-2023 05:33 AM
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New arrival. A little beat up on the corners but still a nice image.

Briggs Stadium. Postmarked 1955

jimq16415 02-26-2023 02:30 PM
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Hard to follow some of your precious cards, but here's a V.O. Hammon 1915 South Side postmarked in 1919. Weird that it says 1931 on back but it's postmarked earlier. I don't know what the 1931 is.

VintageBen 02-26-2023 02:47 PM
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Tyrus!!! Bottom 5 are postcards


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carlsonjok 02-26-2023 03:48 PM
This is probably my favorite piece in my Johnny Antonelli player collection. It is actually larger than a typical postcard, coming in at around 5 x 7. It is my understanding there are versions featuring Bill Rigney, Tommy Henrich, and some guy named Willie Mays.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DTx4d7VEr...JAKB_Front.jpg
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doug.goodman 02-26-2023 04:00 PM
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Some of these are postmarked 1908

BobC 02-26-2023 08:45 PM
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Some of these are postmarked 1908
Those are great Doug. Never seen them before.

Vintagedeputy 03-10-2023 04:08 PM
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Two new arrivals today; Yankee Stadium and the Polo Grounds. Both postally unused.

The Polo Grounds one is a bit worn around the edges and I already had a black ink version, but how can you let a vintage postcard with John McGraw pass by you without buying it?

edjs 03-10-2023 08:27 PM
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Here’s a few.

Vintagedeputy 03-11-2023 01:34 PM
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This just arrived. Looking for info on this team if anyone knows anything.


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