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Tedwilliams1918 12-16-2023 07:53 PM

How do I do a post in the main thread? To start a new thread?

ALR-bishop 12-17-2023 11:08 AM

Not clear what you are asking. If you want to start a new thread in this post war section there is new thread icon on upper left of main page. Same for main page for all sections

philliesfan 12-17-2023 04:05 PM

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A couple of 1978 bleeding blue hockey cards.
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Cliff Bowman 12-17-2023 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by philliesfan (Post 2397786)
A couple of 1978 bleeding blue hockey cards.
Attachment 601647

I can’t believe they issued a card glorifying the top Penalty Minutes Leader goons. Marty McSorley must not have been playing yet.

mikemb 12-17-2023 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 2397811)
I can’t believe they issued a card glorifying the top Penalty Minutes Leader goons. Marty McSorley must not have been playing yet.

I was thinking the same thing!

By the way, McSorley stated in the NHL in 1983 so you are correct.

Mike

steve B 12-18-2023 12:16 PM

I started collecting right about the time Dave Shultz was setting the record.
The penalty leaders card and the cards of the leaders were about equal to guys like Phil Eposito, maybe more popular.

bnorth 12-18-2023 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wpeters (Post 2397169)
These two beauties were in a lot I bought recently.

That Davis is awesome.:)

Sliphorn 12-19-2023 12:53 PM

1954 Bowman #121 Katt
 
Notice the black line across his left hand. I was told by the eBay seller that this is the common and the one I had with NO line is tougher.

G1911 12-19-2023 12:56 PM

The no line is definitely easier. Also, I’ve never come across a Katt without that black blob in the lower left of the name box.

ALR-bishop 12-19-2023 01:10 PM

Checked and one in my set has no line…yeah

Sliphorn 12-20-2023 01:18 PM

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The no line is definitely easier. Also, I’ve never come across a Katt without that black blob in the lower left of the name box.


Actually there are many out there without the black dot, but so far all without also have a small yellow vertical line at the left, likely due to a slight print shift.

G1911 12-20-2023 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sliphorn (Post 2398551)
Actually there are many out there without the black dot, but so far all without also have a small yellow vertical line at the left, likely due to a slight print shift.

Guess I have to go buy another card. Oh no :)

swarmee 01-01-2024 10:09 AM

https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1970...inal&side=back
1970 Topps - [Base] #706 - High # - John McNamara
Courtesy of COMC.com

https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1970...inal&side=back
1970 Topps - [Base] #706 - High # - John McNamara
Courtesy of COMC.com

Print dot/hickey above the R in McNamara on the back. Without defect is much less common that with the print defect. Must have been something on the original printing plate.

Sliphorn 01-11-2024 09:54 AM

1948 #48 Peterson
 
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The right version with two white spots on the second "i" in "Cincinnati" is apparently recurring as I see one on eBay currently.

jp1216 01-16-2024 08:25 AM

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1991 Upper Deck Dave Winfield. Odd "Mr Peanut" print defect. Something blocked the color process? Drops of water on the sheet blocking it?

butchie_t 01-16-2024 08:39 AM

Hahahah,

You win the day with that one! That is freaking cool!

swarmee 01-16-2024 07:26 PM

That variation is awesome. If it was higher up, it would look like a comic thought bubble.

Elberson 01-27-2024 01:41 PM

1961 Topps 351 381 434
 
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Ok started my new set of 1961 Topps I found a couple of oddballs

351 power for Ernie blue hair line bottom boarder. Can be found without hair
381 wickersham boarder break. Can be found without
434 brewer black spot outside boarder. Can be found without

Any other cool ones out there?

mikemb 01-27-2024 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Elberson (Post 2408351)
Ok started my new set of 1961 Topps I found a couple of oddballs

351 power for Ernie blue hair line bottom boarder. Can be found without hair
381 wickersham boarder break. Can be found without
434 brewer black spot outside boarder. Can be found without

Any other cool ones out there?

Here is my listing of variation and/or print errors I have in my 1961 Topps set. Many more out there.

Attachment 607530

Attachment 607531

Mike

Elberson 01-28-2024 07:39 AM

Now that’s a list……thanks

rhettyeakley 01-29-2024 12:27 AM

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Anyone ever seen a 1971 with the blue area on bottom left of this Cedeno RC?

I have a Cardinals team card with a blue "fisheye" but hadn't seen anything like on the Cedeno. It almost looks like there is the end of the letter "g" or number "8" that was to the left of the card.

Cliff Bowman 01-29-2024 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rhettyeakley (Post 2408771)
Anyone ever seen a 1971 with the blue area on bottom left of this Cedeno RC?

I have a Cardinals team card with a blue "fisheye" but hadn't seen anything like on the Cedeno. It almost looks like there is the end of the letter "g" or number "8" that was to the left of the card.

It looks like it says ‘SLIT B’, the 1971 Cedeno undoubtedly must have been on the left side of the sheet.

mikemb 01-29-2024 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 2408788)
It looks like it says ‘SLIT B’, the 1971 Cedeno undoubtedly must have been on the left side of the sheet.

Cliff - You are correct!

Mike

Attachment 607729

ALR-bishop 01-29-2024 04:26 PM

I have a few to add to Mike's 61 Topps variant list

-3 Burkhardt--yellow band on arm near sleeve
-38 Lillis--green in bb on back like Fairly
-56 Kemmerer--green line at cap
-62 Pilarcik--shape can be blue or yellow
-64 Grammas--blue dot on neck
-66 Henry--red dot in infield
-71 Adair--red dot at top of of box at bottom
-103 Amaro--irregular black bottom left border
-130--Larkin---differences in white shapes at top
-137 Dressen-missing black in Chuck
-161 Jones--yellow dot in team box
-178 Nieman--two blue dots above shoulder
-242 Smith--green line upper left below border
-292 Baumer--yellow mark above team
-377 Gomez--blue mark left of cap
-405 Gehrig--black teeth... do not think it is post
-461MacKensie--missing position and team name and black border
-471 Rizzuto--black line across top border
-483 Zimmer-- red mark to left of right arm
-501 Demerit---green in bb on back, like Fairly

frankhardy 01-29-2024 05:03 PM

Since I'm a Cardinal collector I am wondering if the 1961 Topps Power for Ernie (blue hair) is reoccurring? Also is the 1971 Topps Cardinals team card with the blue fish eye reoccurring?

ALR-bishop 01-29-2024 05:53 PM

Not sure about the fish eye but Ernie's Power is recurring

mikemb 01-30-2024 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 2408955)
I have a few to add to Mike's 61 Topps variant list

-3 Burkhardt--yellow band on arm near sleeve
-38 Lillis--green in bb on back like Fairly
-56 Kemmerer--green line at cap
-62 Pilarcik--shape can be blue or yellow
-64 Grammas--blue dot on neck
-66 Henry--red dot in infield
-71 Adair--red dot at top of of box at bottom
-103 Amaro--irregular black bottom left border
-130--Larkin---differences in white shapes at top
-137 Dressen-missing black in Chuck
-161 Jones--yellow dot in team box
-178 Nieman--two blue dots above shoulder
-242 Smith--green line upper left below border
-292 Baumer--yellow mark above team
-377 Gomez--blue mark left of cap
-405 Gehrig--black teeth... do not think it is post
-461MacKensie--missing position and team name and black border
-471 Rizzuto--black line across top border
-483 Zimmer-- red mark to left of right arm
-501 Demerit---green in bb on back, like Fairly

Thanks Al for the list. Very much appreciated.

Looks like I have some searching to do.

Mike

Geomorphic 02-02-2024 06:18 AM

Tom Seaver misprint
 
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Is this considered a "variation"? Very cool and interesting take on the original IMO

butchie_t 02-02-2024 07:28 AM

A registration (or print) defect. But still a nice addition to a master set.

Congrats.

Butch

Cliff Bowman 02-02-2024 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Geomorphic (Post 2409790)
Is this considered a "variation"? Very cool and interesting take on the original IMO

Like Butchie says no but it is awesome.

Tedwilliams1918 02-02-2024 09:00 AM

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Question for big AL you have everything else even the 1958 mantles I love….do you have this crazy 1969 rookies???? This one just sold for 13,500 and a raw one in my fb group did $9500 I was told

G1911 02-02-2024 05:14 PM

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1954 Topps #234 Jerry Lynch - assists and errors for 1953 partially obscured. Noticed it while playing with my 54 set this morning. I checked COMC and 1 out of the 16 Lynch's they have listed has this defect, so it is recurring and probably less common than the correct copy.

Tedwilliams1918 02-02-2024 09:27 PM

Too bad it’s not completely gone or I’d be buying one! Phil rizzuto has one like that too

G1911 02-02-2024 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tedwilliams1918 (Post 2410012)
Too bad it’s not completely gone or I’d be buying one! Phil rizzuto has one like that too

The more that's missing, the better. Thank you, I did not know there was a Rizzuto one too. Another card to track down

G1911 02-02-2024 09:50 PM

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The Rizzuto Teddy Ballgame brought up - lifetime triples partially obscured.

12 out of 17 on COMC right now have it obscured, so looks like this one won't be hard to add to my set and might be more common than the properly printed version. Maybe I'm just behind the curve on this one

ALR-bishop 02-03-2024 09:18 AM

Was aware of Rizzuto and have one. Pretty pretty sure it showed here earlier. Maybe Thomas/sliphorn ?

Did not know about Lynch

Cliff Bowman 02-03-2024 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tedwilliams1918 (Post 2409818)
Question for big AL you have everything else even the 1958 mantles I love….do you have this crazy 1969 rookies???? This one just sold for 13,500 and a raw one in my fb group did $9500 I was told

Of course he does :rolleyes:, post #319 on page 7 of this thread.

G1911 02-03-2024 11:29 AM

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While checking which Rizzuto I have (I'm sure I've missed or don't recall posts among the 2,800+), I remembered the Jackie defects I don't think have been mentioned before.

There are multiple recurring minor defects on the back of 1954 Topps #10 Jackie Robinson. My copy here has a white triangle next to his 12 home runs, a white slash next to P.O., and the F. Avg. label is partially obscured.

Here's one from COMC, with with the P of P.O. partially obscured, and the F. Avg. incomplete. Notice his 136 games is also partially obscured.

Third, a copy from COMC with the F. Avg. complete to show it's not all cards that come this way.

There are at minimum several different total combinations of recurring defects, some easy and some rare-very rare.

Defects are a lot more fun on cheap commons :)

G1911 02-03-2024 11:38 AM

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A second star card recurring defect I don't recall hearing anyone else talk about somewhere is on Ed Mathews. White blob across from mini-B&W Mathews arm, crossing into the blue backdrop from the border. This defect is significantly less common than the correct copy, but I don't recall it being super rare.

If I know about a defect in advance on a star card, I usually try to pick it up for my set and just skip the correct copy. Having all the defects is super fun when it costs me $1.25 for Jerry Lynch, it's not super fun when its $20 for Mathews or $150 or whatever it is these days for a Jackie ;)

EDIT TO TAG PROPERLY FOR SEARCH FUNCTIONS: 1954 Topps #30 Ed Eddie Mathews

ALR-bishop 02-03-2024 12:04 PM

Darren used to have one of the 69 Pirates Rookies for trade in his BST thread

ALR-bishop 02-03-2024 01:37 PM

Fo me the most interesting , and expensive variation for 54 was the white arm band on Mays. It is so plentiful I wonder if it was DP like the 52 Mantle, Robinson and Thompson

philliesfan 02-03-2024 08:30 PM

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Another red bleed covering names.
Bob
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philliesfan 02-03-2024 08:35 PM

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Merlin the Magician makes you see double.
Bob
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ALR-bishop 02-04-2024 12:31 PM

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1961

ALR-bishop 02-04-2024 12:44 PM

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I do have a variant for this card but what I really want to know is who is this ?

G1911 02-04-2024 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 2410385)
I do have a variant for this card but what I really want to know is who is this ?

I believe it is actually Eddie Fisher pictured.

The versions I know are the ones with a yellow mark in the team box, another copy with blue marks adjacent to his head, and the cleanly printed copy.

G1911 02-04-2024 01:58 PM

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And since we are asking questions....

Anyone have a 1954 Topps Larry Doby without this yellow mark above his position? Also haven't come across a Frank Baumholtz without the blue streak next to his cap. I'd love an excuse to add a Larry Doby card back onto my want list.

Elberson 02-12-2024 04:51 PM

1961 Topps 59 Jim woods
 
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Found another 1961 odd ball 59 Jim woods…..blue man version!!! Wet transfer? The blue in his jersey is also seen in his white jersey too

Exhibitman 02-14-2024 12:56 PM

You guys have some eagle eyes.

I sold this one and wish I hadn't:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...ize/img250.jpg

The famous blue flame fart card.

Shameless plug: I am setting up at the Ontario CA show this weekend with an entire section of printing freaks and flaws for sale. Some real doozies too.

swarmee 03-03-2024 10:21 AM

https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1958...&size=original
1958 Topps - [Base] #433 - Pancho Herrera
Courtesy of COMC.com

While the vast majority of fisheyes are non-recurring, this one on the left side of Pancho Herrera's 1958 card is a recurring print defect. And of course, this one has the other standard defect of the missing A in his last name.

philliesfan 03-06-2024 01:02 PM

1972 misprints
 
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Just picked these up today.
Attachment 612984

ALR-bishop 03-06-2024 01:45 PM

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I really like the 72 set for color and there are some great off registration issues in that set

John the Herrera on the left is a favorite of mine

toppcat 03-06-2024 02:21 PM

That Herrera on the left-it feels like that's when the blip occurred that blocked the end of his last name for the rest of that print run.

bnorth 03-06-2024 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 2417794)
I really like the 72 set for color and there are some great off registration issues in that set

John the Herrera on the left is a favorite of mine

Yep the one on the left is way cooler than the other one.:)

Found these today looking through boxes. A ink smudge over the FR in his name. The ink smear is a little darker in hand.

jjbond 03-07-2024 07:41 PM

Is it a print variation if they forgot to do the print?
JC4: 1975/76 Calbee #738 - Sadaharu Oh
https://i.ibb.co/6sbRT2k/blankback.jpg

moeson 03-19-2024 03:08 PM

1971 Topps #388 Al Oliver
 
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1971 Topps #388 Al Oliver (recurring Blue Fish Eye)

philliesfan 03-21-2024 11:24 AM

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Ken "Pink Fingers" Kavanaugh

Attachment 615153

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Elberson 03-28-2024 04:34 PM

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1965 topps 386 cubs rc can be found with and without yellow dots on side boarder

Elberson 03-28-2024 04:38 PM

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1961 Topps 551 George Altman over inked, almost looks Wax stained back

Elberson 04-05-2024 03:13 PM

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On the vacation road and I found a sports card store in Marietta ga, they had a box of 61’s and found a new error and wrong back with 4 different cards , i just thought it was cool HOF’er front

1961 topps 448 del rice, can be found with and without brown dot

1961 topps 404 Roger Hornsby front and 4 different player back

Cliff Bowman 04-05-2024 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Elberson (Post 2424657)
On the vacation road and I found a sports card store in Marietta ga, they had a box of 61’s and found a new error and wrong back with 4 different cards , i just thought it was cool HOF’er front

1961 topps 448 del rice, can be found with and without brown dot

1961 topps 404 Roger Hornsby front and 4 different player back

What is the name of the store? If they have ‘60’s commons I need to check them out for 1966 and 1969 miscuts.

G1911 04-05-2024 06:02 PM

Love that Hornsby miscut back, nice one.

deweyinthehall 04-06-2024 09:42 AM

Wow - 4 cards from 1 miscut...it's like a dream come true!

Elberson 04-06-2024 10:58 AM

For 10.00 bucks I coundnt say no, it just bothers me that I can’t tell if it’s the checklist variation lol

G1911 04-06-2024 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Elberson (Post 2424811)
For 10.00 bucks I coundnt say no, it just bothers me that I can’t tell if it’s the checklist variation lol

Actually, I think we could identify which one it is. Off memory, like most years, the 1961 checklist variations came from a checklist being printed in 2 series. Since you can see the cards it was adjacent to like Turk Lown, it is whichever variation was issued with the same series Turk Lown was in.

Cliff Bowman 04-06-2024 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2424812)
Actually, I think we could identify which one it is. Off memory, like most years, the 1961 checklist variations came from a checklist being printed in 2 series. Since you can see the cards it was adjacent to like Turk Lown, it is whichever variation was issued with the same series Turk Lown was in.

Very good! It is the back of the #437 6th Series Checklist that was printed on the 5th Series Slits, Turk Lown and Reno Bertoia are 5th Series cards.

G1911 04-06-2024 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 2424825)
Very good! It is the back of the #437 6th Series Checklist that was printed on the 5th Series Slits, Turk Lown and Reno Bertoia are 5th Series cards.

I figured you would know off the top which sheet it was :)

I checked my 1961 notes and my list doesn't have which version of the checklist (440 Luis with more of umpires legs vs. 440 Louis with less of umpires legs visible) was with which series.

The only 5th series sheet image I have is this old one from a long ago Leland's auction that's not big enough to make it out. The card in column B, rows 3 and 10.

Do you have which one it is from your sheet project?

G1911 04-06-2024 12:50 PM

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Solved I think, it's 440 Luis with more of umpires legs showing.

Tedwilliams1918 04-06-2024 07:44 PM

There’s a 1958 mantle with the part of paragraph missing on eBay currently $330
 
1958 mantle error on eBay $330

Cliff Bowman 04-06-2024 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tedwilliams1918 (Post 2424953)
1958 mantle error on eBay $330

https://www.ebay.com/itm/38690236302...Bk9SR8bciejWYw

Elberson 04-08-2024 07:24 AM

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Found another 1961 odd ball 517 Willie mccovey …..blue man version!!! Wet transfer? The blue sweat in his jersey is really cool. Card can be found with and without the blue. Some of the other blue versions have a different blue stain at the top of the card

ALR-bishop 04-08-2024 02:02 PM

Cliff—can not decide whether to pull for st or ao.

swarmee 04-08-2024 08:52 PM

For those that love print registration issues:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/36481486840...238337&mkevt=1

Elberson 04-17-2024 06:28 AM

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Found a possible cut line on 1966 topps 591 RC stars Shirley/jackson, card can be found with and without line

Elberson 04-18-2024 05:34 AM

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Picked up another blue man group McCovey…..little different from the other

Elberson 04-23-2024 09:46 AM

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More 1961 topps to add to the list…..and it’s a cardinal on the front too……:)
1961 topps NL era leaders can be found with 3 versions

Regular
Half white line into blue
Half white line into blue and yellow

Tedwilliams1918 04-29-2024 02:43 PM

1964 Mickey mantle with giant face blob, credit to Tom rak
 
Giant face blob credit Tom rak

Tedwilliams1918 04-29-2024 02:47 PM

1964 face blob mantle
 
1964 faceblob mantle

ejstel 04-30-2024 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tedwilliams1918 (Post 2430143)
1964 faceblob mantle


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Elberson 05-08-2024 01:48 PM

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Another 1961 topps……Vern law 400 can be found with and without missing part in 400 on back of the card


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