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4reals 05-09-2024 12:43 AM

1969 Topps Red Sox Rookie Stars #476 // black line in border to the right of Moses. It is reoccurring.

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4reals 05-09-2024 08:51 AM

1967 Topps #117 Darrell Brandon // back bottom border green ink bleed. Haven’t seen another yet.

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savedfrommyspokes 05-09-2024 10:28 AM

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Another 1961 topps……Vern law 400 can be found with and without missing part in 400 on back of the card

Kind of reminds me of the "293" Golden card....image courtesy of Mr. Lemke. Likely both were caused by something on the printing plate.

ALR-bishop 05-09-2024 11:27 AM

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Joe---any idea if the line appears on both the yellow and white versions of the card ? In checking my set I have only the defective 61 Law. How common is it ?

Elberson 05-09-2024 03:02 PM

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I have 3 laws but all have the missing spot, so now I need regular verssion :)

4reals 05-09-2024 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 2432874)
Joe---any idea if the line appears on both the yellow and white versions of the card ? In checking my set I have only the defective 61 Law. How common is it ?


Hi Al, great follow-up question. I have never seen a white version with the line, only yellow. I would not consider it too difficult as it seems to be about 50:1 ration based on my most recent searches. There’s quite a few available now. Another question I just thought would be which card is above it on the sheet. It likely has a black line on it as well.


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4reals 05-12-2024 08:30 AM

1962 #504 Eddie Bressoud. Similar to the 69 Moses I just posted, there’s a black dash in the border, however, unlike Moses, this one is on the back. This one is in my collection, I just stumbled upon it when sorting. I’ve looked at about 150 other examples in different places and haven’t found another. I thought maybe it was a stray ink pen but it isn’t.

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Elberson 06-03-2024 08:28 PM

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1961 topps 249 reds tc can be found with and without green bleed on back

spyderbyte 06-17-2024 05:16 PM

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1965 Topps Gold Mickey Mantle miscut with Roberto Clemente card on bottom.

Elberson 06-24-2024 04:22 PM

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1965 topps 308 Mets rookies jones parsons can be found with and without white showing in there names and positions

swarmee 06-30-2024 05:05 PM

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1971 Topps - [Base] #649 - High # - Sparky Lyle
Courtesy of COMC.com

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1971 Topps - [Base] #649 - High # - Sparky Lyle
Courtesy of COMC.com

Sparky Lyle 1971 Topps 649: double-black ink back makes the image appear really menacing. Recurring print defect.

butchie_t 07-17-2024 03:42 PM

Finally got the 70 Senators DC Safety Set Triplets
 
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I have been looking for the Aurelio Rodriguez version of the 10 card uncut sheet ever since I received the pink 10 card uncut set. Last week #3 came up for sale and it is now in my collection. Here are all three versions (portions of anyway) of the 10 card uncut Washington Senators D.C. Traffic Safety set. The 9 other cards are all the same, it is just Dave Nelson and Aurelio Rodriguez that are variations of this set. Nelson: pink and yellow, Rodriguez: yellow.

WOOT! A complete 'run'. And I have the 71 set too.

Cheers,

Butch

Sliphorn 07-19-2024 08:03 AM

1962 Post Box vs. Company
 
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Here are the cereal box version at top and company sent version at the bottom. I also have Maris company issue and it says the same thing. The box version is much thicker carboard than the company thin issue.

whiteymet 07-19-2024 08:14 AM

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Here are the cereal box version at top and company sent version at the bottom. I also have Maris company issue and it says the same thing. The box version is much thicker carboard than the company thin issue.

Sliphorn, The card you show without the lines between the stats is NOT the company version of the 61 Post Mantle card

It IS the box version on top but the bottom version you show above is the card that was inserted into an issue of Life Magazine along with the Maris card.

Below is a company card. Issued on a perforated sheet of 10 cards. Note the perfs/chads on three sides of the card

jp1216 08-14-2024 07:16 AM

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Love the '72 Freaks

G1911 08-25-2024 12:38 AM

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1966 Topps 209. This white mark above the team banner is recurring on a minority of cards, but not tough.

G1911 08-25-2024 01:59 AM

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1966 Topps 35 Jim Hunter. Catfish can be found with this peachy splotch covering part of his arm and the man in the background. It is recurring, I have seen a couple, but I believe it is tough to find.

Republicaninmass 08-25-2024 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jp1216 (Post 2454152)
Love the '72 Freaks

I MUST FIND a 1970 Dock Ellis like these!

ALR-bishop 08-25-2024 10:35 AM

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A third Hunter

G1911 08-25-2024 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 2456527)
A third Hunter

There is always another one!

John1941 08-26-2024 08:55 PM

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I found one going through my 1972 Topps set: #335 Bill Hands is usually but not always found with a cluster of small marks that look like ink stains on the bare part of his right arm and his cap.

Looking through COMC listings, only 5 of the 45 examples for sale do not have the marks. Both buybacks listed do not have it, which may or may not suggest that Topps is aware of this.

There is also a squiggle like a sideways six to the right of his cap and a blotch above it which seem to be constants.

ALR-bishop 08-27-2024 10:54 AM

Good one John. I need a "regular" one :)

Elberson 08-27-2024 11:31 AM

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1965 topps 405 roseboro…….does anyone know if this top boarder was fixed?or the story behind it?

Cliff Bowman 08-27-2024 12:16 PM

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I knew about the similar recurring 1965 Johnny Podres but not Roseboro. Isn't there another uncorrected one like Roseboro?

G1911 08-27-2024 12:17 PM

I don't think Roseboro was fixed, all of my copies have had the wrong top stripe.

ALR-bishop 08-27-2024 01:05 PM

Never noticed it before but my Roseboro has the same border defect. I have one of the Podres pinkish top borders, but not sure if it was discussed here in the variants thread or I saw it someplace else

In looking at my set I had forgotten how many recurring print defects there were in it

jp1216 08-30-2024 12:58 PM

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I MUST FIND a 1970 Dock Ellis like these!

Not '70 but his '72 freak (not mine):

swarmee 09-01-2024 01:31 PM

Red line extends to card's right border:
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1963 Post - [Base] #22 - Bill Stafford
Courtesy of COMC.com

Red line normal:
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1963 Post - [Base] #22 - Bill Stafford
Courtesy of COMC.com

Or is this just a red sheet alignment issue that is recurring?

bnorth 09-01-2024 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 2458179)
Red line extends to card's right border:
https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1963...&size=original
1963 Post - [Base] #22 - Bill Stafford
Courtesy of COMC.com

Red line normal:
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1963 Post - [Base] #22 - Bill Stafford
Courtesy of COMC.com

Or is this just a red sheet alignment issue that is recurring?

Aren't they variations between what product the card was actually cut from? I know I have a few different Ed Mathews variations.

swarmee 09-01-2024 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2458180)
Aren't they variations between what product the card was actually cut from? I know I have a few different Ed Mathews variations.

That could be it; the cropping is slightly different left to right.

whiteymet 09-01-2024 02:50 PM

Ben has it correct.

Dan Mabey has posted recently here on Net 54 that he is getting ready to offer some of his superb books about the different Post cereal issues

In his book about the1963 set he notes that the Stafford card was issued on two different cereal boxes. A 13 oz Alpha Bits and a 12 oz. Post Toasties.

He goes on to describe how to tell the differences between the cards for those working on a Master Set.

Among the descriptions are note the color of the grass above his right shoulder. On the Alpha Bits card it is deep green while the Post Toasties has a lighter shade of green. The stands on the Alpha Bits are blue while the Post Toasties is purple/gray.

So the card with the red line to the border is off of a Alpha Bits box while the shorter line is from a Post Toasties box

4reals 09-01-2024 04:54 PM

1957 topps Gilliam #115 - partial red ink bleed in baseball on back. Reoccurring.

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Kenmarks 09-01-2024 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by whiteymet (Post 2458197)
Ben has it correct.

Dan Mabey has posted recently here on Net 54 that he is getting ready to offer some of his superb books about the different Post cereal issues

In his book about the1963 set he notes that the Stafford card was issued on two different cereal boxes. A 13 oz Alpha Bits and a 12 oz. Post Toasties.

He goes on to describe how to tell the differences between the cards for those working on a Master Set.

Among the descriptions are note the color of the grass above his right shoulder. On the Alpha Bits card it is deep green while the Post Toasties has a lighter shade of green. The stands on the Alpha Bits are blue while the Post Toasties is purple/gray.

So the card with the red line to the border is off of a Alpha Bits box white the shorter line is from a Post Toasties box

Totally agree with Whiteymet. Cards came from different cereal panels on different products. For folks who collect master sets of these Post Cereal cards, differences appear on each card of a player, for every different cereal box he appeared on. Those differences allow a collector to be able to put together a master set of cards. Dan's books are great, and wonderful tools in building that master set.

Also believe the reissuance of his books will occur soon. Very soon.

Elberson 09-02-2024 04:16 PM

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I also came across this 1965 topps carty 305…..different colored boarder

swarmee 09-02-2024 04:22 PM

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I also came across this 1965 topps carty 305…..different colored boarder

This could be sun/light exposure damage bleaching out the yellow ink.

Cliff Bowman 09-02-2024 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 2458448)
This could be sun/light exposure damage bleaching out the yellow ink.

No, it is recurring and not overly rare and has been known for quite a while. Definitely a printing flaw and not a true variation. https://www.ebay.com/itm/25613426544...Bk9SR-rw8c22ZA ETA here's one that sold recently. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Topps-....m43663.l10137

Elberson 09-02-2024 04:32 PM

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This could be sun/light exposure damage bleaching out the yellow ink.

Not my card but hear is the whole one from eBay

Elberson 09-02-2024 04:54 PM

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Here’s a couple more errors / print defects from the same seller

swarmee 09-02-2024 06:09 PM

Ah, thanks.

mikemb 09-02-2024 07:12 PM

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Here are some variations of the Fischer card. The one in the top row has a white streak. The first one in the bottom row is similar to the one posted. The middle one is slightly different. The last one is the normal card.

Mike

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Elberson 09-03-2024 05:02 AM

I have 12 fischers but not a one has the mark…..I guess I’ll be looking for one now…….thanks

4reals 09-03-2024 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Elberson (Post 2457029)
1965 topps 405 roseboro…….does anyone know if this top boarder was fixed?or the story behind it?


Never fixed


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ALR-bishop 09-03-2024 07:59 AM

Maybe the odd border just above his head was a premonition of August 22, 1965

ALR-bishop 09-03-2024 08:30 AM

The seller Elberson mention above, Barry ( Isakur), only sells variations/variants/ recurring print defects. I always go through his many listings looking for anything I don’t have. Most can be found on line at a cheaper price but I have bought several items from him and have found him a dependable seller

mikemb 09-03-2024 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 2458536)
The seller Elberson mention above, Barry ( Isakur), only sells variations/variants/ recurring print defects. I always go through his many listings looking for anything I don’t have. Most can be found on line at a cheaper price but I have bought several items from him and have found him a dependable seller

Same here. I have bought cards from Barry over the last 20 years and never any issues. He also has a lot of Fleer cards from the late 60's and early 70's as well.

Mike

ALR-bishop 09-03-2024 10:30 AM

Mike — I also do Fleer sets and most people don’t realize how many baseball related sets Fleer put out between 1964 and 1980. Barry is a great source for some of the more obscure issues in those years. He has even pointed out some errors in the Fleer Sticker Blog

Elberson 09-03-2024 12:05 PM

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I forgot one

butchie_t 09-03-2024 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 2458536)
The seller Elberson mention above, Barry ( Isakur), only sells variations/variants/ recurring print defects. I always go through his many listings looking for anything I don’t have. Most can be found on line at a cheaper price but I have bought several items from him and have found him a dependable seller

I have worked and bought from him as well. Very excellent to deal with. I freaked him out one time when we began communicating and I sent a couple of want lists his way. He had not realized the extent of some collectors 'needs'.

:D

Butch

ALR-bishop 09-04-2024 10:08 AM

1965
 
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More 1965. Some ot all may be in here already somewhere

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jbaskin 09-08-2024 01:03 AM

Hi guys,
Have you seen this set for sale? Many variations listed. Good pictures, too.
https://milehighcardco.com/1967_Topp...LOT103756.aspx

Elberson 09-08-2024 08:33 PM

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What would you call this 1965 topps 404 stan Williams blue bleed? Wet transfer?

Elberson 09-08-2024 09:09 PM

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And a cool 1965 topps high 549 cubs rookies stars…….back bleed

Elberson 09-08-2024 09:17 PM

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And one more 1965 topps 373 curt simmons missing yellow/ white letter version……is this a tuff one?

ALR-bishop 09-09-2024 01:05 PM

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This may have been discussed previously but the year 1965 on the back of the 1967 Roy Face is usually always distorted. It can, however occassionaly be found clear. Also 1962 and 1963 on the back can on rare ocassions be found blotted.

But if you look up the 67 Face on Deans site he indicates a version of the Face can be found with RO missing in Roy on the back. Anyone seen or have one of thiose ?


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