1969 Topps Red Sox Rookie Stars #476 // black line in border to the right of Moses. It is reoccurring.

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1967 Topps #117 Darrell Brandon // back bottom border green ink bleed. Haven’t seen another yet.

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Kind of reminds me of the "293" Golden card....image courtesy of Mr. Lemke. Likely both were caused by something on the printing plate.

Joe---any idea if the line appears on both the yellow and white versions of the card ? In checking my set I have only the defective 61 Law. How common is it ?

I have 3 laws but all have the missing spot, so now I need regular verssion :)

Hi Al, great follow-up question. I have never seen a white version with the line, only yellow. I would not consider it too difficult as it seems to be about 50:1 ration based on my most recent searches. There’s quite a few available now. Another question I just thought would be which card is above it on the sheet. It likely has a black line on it as well.


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1962 #504 Eddie Bressoud. Similar to the 69 Moses I just posted, there’s a black dash in the border, however, unlike Moses, this one is on the back. This one is in my collection, I just stumbled upon it when sorting. I’ve looked at about 150 other examples in different places and haven’t found another. I thought maybe it was a stray ink pen but it isn’t.

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1961 topps 249 reds tc can be found with and without green bleed on back

1965 Topps Gold Mickey Mantle miscut with Roberto Clemente card on bottom.

1965 topps 308 Mets rookies jones parsons can be found with and without white showing in there names and positions

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1971 Topps - [Base] #649 - High # - Sparky Lyle
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1971 Topps - [Base] #649 - High # - Sparky Lyle
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Sparky Lyle 1971 Topps 649: double-black ink back makes the image appear really menacing. Recurring print defect.

Finally got the 70 Senators DC Safety Set Triplets
 

I have been looking for the Aurelio Rodriguez version of the 10 card uncut sheet ever since I received the pink 10 card uncut set. Last week #3 came up for sale and it is now in my collection. Here are all three versions (portions of anyway) of the 10 card uncut Washington Senators D.C. Traffic Safety set. The 9 other cards are all the same, it is just Dave Nelson and Aurelio Rodriguez that are variations of this set. Nelson: pink and yellow, Rodriguez: yellow.

WOOT! A complete 'run'. And I have the 71 set too.

Cheers,

Butch

1962 Post Box vs. Company
 

Here are the cereal box version at top and company sent version at the bottom. I also have Maris company issue and it says the same thing. The box version is much thicker carboard than the company thin issue.

Sliphorn, The card you show without the lines between the stats is NOT the company version of the 61 Post Mantle card

It IS the box version on top but the bottom version you show above is the card that was inserted into an issue of Life Magazine along with the Maris card.

Below is a company card. Issued on a perforated sheet of 10 cards. Note the perfs/chads on three sides of the card

Love the '72 Freaks

1966 Topps 209. This white mark above the team banner is recurring on a minority of cards, but not tough.

1966 Topps 35 Jim Hunter. Catfish can be found with this peachy splotch covering part of his arm and the man in the background. It is recurring, I have seen a couple, but I believe it is tough to find.

I MUST FIND a 1970 Dock Ellis like these!

A third Hunter

There is always another one!

I found one going through my 1972 Topps set: #335 Bill Hands is usually but not always found with a cluster of small marks that look like ink stains on the bare part of his right arm and his cap.

Looking through COMC listings, only 5 of the 45 examples for sale do not have the marks. Both buybacks listed do not have it, which may or may not suggest that Topps is aware of this.

There is also a squiggle like a sideways six to the right of his cap and a blotch above it which seem to be constants.

Good one John. I need a "regular" one :)

1965 topps 405 roseboro…….does anyone know if this top boarder was fixed?or the story behind it?

I knew about the similar recurring 1965 Johnny Podres but not Roseboro. Isn't there another uncorrected one like Roseboro?

I don't think Roseboro was fixed, all of my copies have had the wrong top stripe.

Never noticed it before but my Roseboro has the same border defect. I have one of the Podres pinkish top borders, but not sure if it was discussed here in the variants thread or I saw it someplace else

In looking at my set I had forgotten how many recurring print defects there were in it

Not '70 but his '72 freak (not mine):

Red line extends to card's right border:
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1963 Post - [Base] #22 - Bill Stafford
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Red line normal:
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1963 Post - [Base] #22 - Bill Stafford
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Or is this just a red sheet alignment issue that is recurring?

Aren't they variations between what product the card was actually cut from? I know I have a few different Ed Mathews variations.

That could be it; the cropping is slightly different left to right.

Ben has it correct.

Dan Mabey has posted recently here on Net 54 that he is getting ready to offer some of his superb books about the different Post cereal issues

In his book about the1963 set he notes that the Stafford card was issued on two different cereal boxes. A 13 oz Alpha Bits and a 12 oz. Post Toasties.

He goes on to describe how to tell the differences between the cards for those working on a Master Set.

Among the descriptions are note the color of the grass above his right shoulder. On the Alpha Bits card it is deep green while the Post Toasties has a lighter shade of green. The stands on the Alpha Bits are blue while the Post Toasties is purple/gray.

So the card with the red line to the border is off of a Alpha Bits box while the shorter line is from a Post Toasties box

1957 topps Gilliam #115 - partial red ink bleed in baseball on back. Reoccurring.

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Totally agree with Whiteymet. Cards came from different cereal panels on different products. For folks who collect master sets of these Post Cereal cards, differences appear on each card of a player, for every different cereal box he appeared on. Those differences allow a collector to be able to put together a master set of cards. Dan's books are great, and wonderful tools in building that master set.

Also believe the reissuance of his books will occur soon. Very soon.

I also came across this 1965 topps carty 305…..different colored boarder

This could be sun/light exposure damage bleaching out the yellow ink.

No, it is recurring and not overly rare and has been known for quite a while. Definitely a printing flaw and not a true variation. https://www.ebay.com/itm/25613426544...Bk9SR-rw8c22ZA ETA here's one that sold recently. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Topps-....m43663.l10137

Not my card but hear is the whole one from eBay

Here’s a couple more errors / print defects from the same seller

Ah, thanks.

Here are some variations of the Fischer card. The one in the top row has a white streak. The first one in the bottom row is similar to the one posted. The middle one is slightly different. The last one is the normal card.

Mike

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I have 12 fischers but not a one has the mark…..I guess I’ll be looking for one now…….thanks

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Maybe the odd border just above his head was a premonition of August 22, 1965

The seller Elberson mention above, Barry ( Isakur), only sells variations/variants/ recurring print defects. I always go through his many listings looking for anything I don’t have. Most can be found on line at a cheaper price but I have bought several items from him and have found him a dependable seller

Same here. I have bought cards from Barry over the last 20 years and never any issues. He also has a lot of Fleer cards from the late 60's and early 70's as well.

Mike

Mike — I also do Fleer sets and most people don’t realize how many baseball related sets Fleer put out between 1964 and 1980. Barry is a great source for some of the more obscure issues in those years. He has even pointed out some errors in the Fleer Sticker Blog

I forgot one

I have worked and bought from him as well. Very excellent to deal with. I freaked him out one time when we began communicating and I sent a couple of want lists his way. He had not realized the extent of some collectors 'needs'.

:D

Butch

1965
 

More 1965. Some ot all may be in here already somewhere

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Hi guys,
Have you seen this set for sale? Many variations listed. Good pictures, too.
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What would you call this 1965 topps 404 stan Williams blue bleed? Wet transfer?

And a cool 1965 topps high 549 cubs rookies stars…….back bleed

And one more 1965 topps 373 curt simmons missing yellow/ white letter version……is this a tuff one?

This may have been discussed previously but the year 1965 on the back of the 1967 Roy Face is usually always distorted. It can, however occassionaly be found clear. Also 1962 and 1963 on the back can on rare ocassions be found blotted.

But if you look up the 67 Face on Deans site he indicates a version of the Face can be found with RO missing in Roy on the back. Anyone seen or have one of thiose ?

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1963 Topps - [Base] #550 - High # - Duke Snider [BVG 6.5 EX‑MT+]
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Recurring yellow streak in the inset photo, probably caused by the blue not getting there.

That 63 Snider is fairly scarce

1964 Topps Gene Stephens #308 can occasionally be found with a wide streak of green over his face.

1959 Topps #431 Whammy Douglas.

Both the yellow splotching and the black dotted lines in the bottom white border are recurring.

Whammy lost an eye as a child, but still made it to the major leagues. He only played int he majors in 1957 with the Pirates, never appearing in a game with the depicted team on his 1959 card.

One of the greatest names ever

1962 clemente
 

“Dot head”

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Both of these may already be in here somewhere. Both recuring. The Conley is pretty scarce. The Koufax is not too hard to find

1965 topps 561 high numbers dodgers rc
 

1965 topps 561 dodgers rc with botched bottom boarder or two toned? Both faded and normal version are easy founds

I know these have been posted here, by me and others, previously. But, a couple more to add to my PC.

I believe the Brent Strom is yet another iteration of the grouping that he currently enjoys. I have not had time to look closer at it just yet. The variation has to do with the pink line across the bottom of the white blotch next to his ear.

I really need to buckle down and take better pictures of all the Strom's that I have found. If this one (one off so far), then it is probably 9 - 10 of these that I have come across.

And the Jack Aker meteor was an easy pick up. It cost more to ship, not much, than what the card went for.

Cheers


Butch

Is there a "master" Strom number ? :)

Hhahahah,

I'm gonna have to get back to you on that. The Strom cards are a living document, it seems at the moment.

I may have created a STROMster! woot!!

:D

Cheers,

Butch

I think I ended up with 5 or so last time it was posted. Need to check

From my highly unofficial count, with the last one posted, I am up to 12. And I believe, not exactly sure....Savedfrommyspokes has one that I don't have. Potentially making it a bakers dozen.

Mind you a fair amount of wishful thinking went into the calculated numbers.

A couple that I have are one off's. But the lion share are repeatable.

And I believe this is another Aker to that list too.

Within the green circle you can see a hint of the attempt to fix the meteor still remaining.

You may already have this one as well.

B.T.

There is a least 15 various Strom cards and more if you count the misc. donuts that can be found at different spots on the card.

I also believe there is a Acker that has a large round white blob on the top left. I had the chance to buy it some time ago but is was creased, so I passed on it.

Some of the Strom cards I have come across over the years...with some Aker cards also .

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I have not come across the Aker with even less of the white streak. I have looked but have yet to be in the right place at the right time.

And I have never seen the Aker star constellation, nice pick up Al!

Nice collection of Stromsters Sir!!

Butch

Thanks for sharing your collection Larry. You have some there I was not aware of. Below is my known list (how I classify them) of variances on the Strommiester (With your new ones added)
SB = Side Burn

- No SB color, regular card
- No SB color, various donuts around "E" in Padres
- No SB color, White donut in position box
- No SB color, 2 donuts in brown top, 1 donut right side ear level
- No SB color, yellow donut by right ear
- No SB color, Red donut by top white left corner and Yellow donut Right side by boarder
- No SB color, Red donut by top white left corner only

- Multi color with Pink around SB, Pink line under "E" with boarder break
- Multi color with Pink around SB, Pink line under "E" with boarder break. Red donut left of P in Padres
- Multi color with Pink around SB, Pink line under "E" with boarder break. Blue/Purple donut edge of cap left side
- Multi color with Pink around SB, Pink line under "E" with boarder break. Donut between E & S Padres

- White SB, White line under "E" with boarder break. Blue mark to the right of cap
- White SB, White line under "E" with boarder break. No Blue mark

- White SB with light pink around white, White/Pink line under "E" with boarder break
- White SB with heavy pink around white, White/Pink line under "E" with boarder break. Red donut between E and S of Padres

- Green, Orange around green SB Yellow line under "E" with No boarder break and Yellow fish eye left of hat
- Green, Orange around green SB Yellow line under "E" with boarder break and Yellow fish eye left of hat

- Green SB No line under "E" and Blue donut top left by boarder, Blue spot by cap
- Green SB No line under "E" and Blue spot by cap
- Green SB No line under "E" and Blue spot by cap & blue mark left of nose
- Green SB No line under "E" and 2 Blue donuts by cap
- Green SB No line under "E" and Blue donut by cap. Red/Green donut on right eye
- Green SB No line under "E" and Blue donut by cap. Red/Green donut on right eye. Yellow donut right of ear

- Green SB No line under "E" and No Blue donut
- Green SB No line under "E" and No Blue donut, White donut on "A" in Padres

Johnny

John,

Thank you for your Stromonster list. Time for me to get busy with mine now.

Regards,

Butch

You're welcome....and thank you for your list, now I have something to work off of.

Hi Butch & Larry have fun putting your lists together. If you find a version I do not have listed, when time permits send me a pic and I can update my list. If we work together I am sure we could put a definitive list together. :)

I promise to post my Brent's after this other thing I am doing this weekend. My other hobby is ham radio. Nevada is having a QSO party contest. So, I'm sitting in front of my radio all day today and tomorrow screaming CQ Nevada QSO Party, and making contacts........

CQCQCQCQCQCQCQ

DE Butch.

Does anyone know if any of the Strom variants can be found in the 1975 Mini set. ? Or for that matter anyone have other variants from that set. I have never done much looking but think I have only a couple of variants with my 75 Mini set. Actually have more with my smaller 85 Topps Mini set

Al,

Of all the Strom's I have come across, I have not seen any mini's that have had the blob. I believe, but have no proof, that the mini's were printed in another factory.

Butch

My Strom's. One could say I suffer from OBCD.....Obsessive Brent Compulsive Disorder. Me and the voices in my head are good with this though.

The first two pages are what I consider all different variations that I have come across during my quest. The one with the tiny white dot by his eye is a one off. At least so far it is. The rest I believe are repeatable. Some seem easier to get than others. For me, the white variation seems to be the most easiest to come by. Others may differ with this observation.

I have not detailed the differences as much as others here but this is what I have.

Orange and Green - Blob left side of face
White
White dot by left eye
Base with blob by hat
Light Orange and Green
Orange and Green
Pink and White
Orange and Green - blob left side of hat
Green
Green and red-green bullseye
Pink and White with Scribble #1
Pink and White with Scribble #2: I believe there are two different scribble patterns. That is why I mention #1 and #2.

And the latest:

White with pink line across the bottom of the white blob

The other two pictures are doubles. I could not tell when I bought them if they were different until I had them in hand. Then I could see that it was a dupe of what I have already.

Again....totally unscientific. But, I believe these are all different.

Larry, your list is much better detailed and if you have no problems with it, I'd like to adopt it for my Stromonster gathering. ; - )

Brent Strom Dupes