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clydepepper 12-20-2017 08:02 PM

Here are two weird ideas:

1.)The ONLY voting will be done by current Hall-of-Famers.


and / or


2.) Elect Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, etc.,

but only INDUCT Them POSTHUMOUSLY!

Jim65 12-21-2017 06:08 AM

No on both.

packs 12-21-2017 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1731359)
Using amphetamines without a prescription became a federal crime in about 1970. Do you think the pile of greenies in the clubhouse until baseball banned them in 2006 (I think that's the right date) was all by prescription? So we're cool with players who committed a federal crime repeatedly, but not with players who used HGH?

Are you saying Mantle, Mays and Aaron were using greenies in the twilight of their careers post-1970? Mantle had already retired. Mays and Aaron were on their last legs.

Peter_Spaeth 12-21-2017 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by packs (Post 1731450)
Are you saying Mantle, Mays and Aaron were using greenies in the twilight of their careers post-1970? Mantle had already retired. Mays and Aaron were on their last legs.

You're missing the point, but in any case Aaron was very productive in the early 70s, unless you want to sneer at seasons of 47 and 40 HR and two others in the 30s. The larger point is that according to many sources, greenie use in baseball was rampant, and it's a very safe assumption that many of our heroes used them, even after they became illegal from a federal law perspective.

packs 12-21-2017 07:27 AM

Why is it safe to assume that? If Mantle used them, he used them before he wasn't allowed to. If Aaron and Mays used them, what do you point to in support of them using greenies at the end of their careers?

bravos4evr 12-22-2017 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1731451)
You're missing the point, but in any case Aaron was very productive in the early 70s, unless you want to sneer at seasons of 47 and 40 HR and two others in the 30s. The larger point is that according to many sources, greenie use in baseball was rampant, and it's a very safe assumption that many of our heroes used them, even after they became illegal from a federal law perspective.

no evidence that greenies improved statistics. But there is a ton of evidence that roids and HGH improved stats. No players had their best seasons after 35 until the roid era ad then suddenly 30 players did.

buymycards 12-22-2017 01:02 PM

both out
 
It isn't so much the fact that they were using steroids, but what bothers me more is that they continued to lie about it and never admitted to what they were doing. If they had just told the truth I would be more inclined to give them a yes vote.

HRBAKER 12-22-2017 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buymycards (Post 1731930)
It isn't so much the fact that they were using steroids, but what bothers me more is that they continued to lie about it and never admitted to what they were doing. If they had just told the truth I would be more inclined to give them a yes vote.

That's their way of telling you the rules don't apply to them.

Peter_Spaeth 12-22-2017 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bravos4evr (Post 1731914)
no evidence that greenies improved statistics. But there is a ton of evidence that roids and HGH improved stats. No players had their best seasons after 35 until the roid era ad then suddenly 30 players did.

Aaron 1971 at age 37 had his highest marks for HR, OBP, SLG, OPS and OPS+.

clydepepper 12-22-2017 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1731999)
Aaron 1971 at age 37 had his highest marks for HR, OBP, SLG, OPS and OPS+.



For this particular instance, I really believe you can believe in the MAN more than the STATS.

Isn't that refreshing?


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